Winnalotto-Sangoma 2
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Kunjani Patrick
At the moment I am optimising the opening batsmen filter to make it do what it is supposed to do. Getting good results and it appears that we should be seeking the pair in the trip. I still need to check the other filters. Remember there is no point in playing the lottery until you are able to pick a pair in the next draw. This pair must not be produced by guesswork but must be recognised by the correct system. Any fool can pick 6 pairs and one will crop up in the next draw but this means absolutely nothing. Weekend is coming up and will produce some results on the effectiveness of opening batsmen
At the moment I am optimising the opening batsmen filter to make it do what it is supposed to do. Getting good results and it appears that we should be seeking the pair in the trip. I still need to check the other filters. Remember there is no point in playing the lottery until you are able to pick a pair in the next draw. This pair must not be produced by guesswork but must be recognised by the correct system. Any fool can pick 6 pairs and one will crop up in the next draw but this means absolutely nothing. Weekend is coming up and will produce some results on the effectiveness of opening batsmen
Hi Patrick
I have also noticed the same problem for a while now and the only way I have managed to get past it is to use Purge to generate pairs or trips from the 6 numbers. It seems as if the fixed width of the box wraps the extra numbers to the next line which are ignored.
taaroa said:
I have also noticed the same problem for a while now and the only way I have managed to get past it is to use Purge to generate pairs or trips from the 6 numbers. It seems as if the fixed width of the box wraps the extra numbers to the next line which are ignored.
Patrick123
Member
black prince said:Patrick123
Can I perform compound tests using winnalotto?
For example each line represents a group test:
.........Skip1.......Skip2.....Skip3.......Skip4.......Skip5
1) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
2) ...#20>5.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
3) ...#20<6.....#21>5.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
4) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22>5.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
5) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23>5.....#24<6 (or)
6) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24>5
This would display all Balls that pass these tests in one
filter, instead of 6 separate filters.
Thanks
-BP
Hi Black Prince,
As stated somewhere before, the OR has the same priority as the AND so it will not work for you as such. This is the method I'd suggest.
Column 30 - View column is Checked BUT NOT Filter Column.
In the Formula Box:
In the Criteria Box:
You repeat this for each of your lines.
The next set of columns that you add are straightforward sums:
so Column 36 would contain #30 + #31
Column 37 now would be #36 + #32
We are adding the columns together (we can only do 1 addition at a time, I must change this)
Your final column would then be the Filter column #41 > 0
A bit lengthy to do but it can be done
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
taaroa said:
Hi taaroa,
As ganbatte stated, the problem is with the line wrapping. The next rebuild will have the line-wrap removed. In the meantime as ganbatte suggested, using the purge option to generate you pairs or trips works perfectly.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
blitzed said:hiya, I was just skimmin the thread and saw people askin about documentation.
why not just make a wiki entry? eventually maybe it will sorta take care of itself
blitzed
Hi blitzed,
I think that's going to be the best solution, thanks for the suggestion.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
Mmoro Springbok
Yep, there is no filter that will pull out all 6 balls. We need specific filters for each type that is going to be drawn. I usually aim towards 2 pairs in the opening batsmen, 1 to 2 pairs for the cold or historical high. Now those darn inbetweeners...
Regards
Patrick
Springbok said:
Yep, there is no filter that will pull out all 6 balls. We need specific filters for each type that is going to be drawn. I usually aim towards 2 pairs in the opening batsmen, 1 to 2 pairs for the cold or historical high. Now those darn inbetweeners...
Regards
Patrick
Hello Patrick
I am starting to achieve great success in using the Opening Batsmen to make them do what they are supposed to do in the 7/49 game. I have created many Openingbatsmen column filters to scan according to the embedded logic ranging from 2 to 13 previous skip cycles over the median. ie:-
OB7
#20 = 0
and
#21 > #1
and
#22 > #1
and
#23 > #1
and
#24 > #1
and
#51 > #1
and
#52 > #1
and
#53 > #1
OB7 scans for trips with at least 7 skip cycles over the median as an example
You keep on pushing the limit with trips until you get no return and you backtrack to the previous level. Sometimes there is only one trip sometimes 2 or 3 trips. If you have more than one then pick the one with the highest percentage rating. This trip should hit in the next draw or the one after. To get more precision ignore the last draw and if it does not hit in the ignored draw then the chances are it will hit in the very next draw. Once you have your trip, type it into the flt window and reset the col filter. Hit pairs, pick the pair with the highest percentage rating. Try to set for next2 over 4 skips. You may want to fiddle with this setting. You usually get the pair if you have identified the correct trip.
I am starting to achieve great success in using the Opening Batsmen to make them do what they are supposed to do in the 7/49 game. I have created many Openingbatsmen column filters to scan according to the embedded logic ranging from 2 to 13 previous skip cycles over the median. ie:-
OB7
#20 = 0
and
#21 > #1
and
#22 > #1
and
#23 > #1
and
#24 > #1
and
#51 > #1
and
#52 > #1
and
#53 > #1
OB7 scans for trips with at least 7 skip cycles over the median as an example
You keep on pushing the limit with trips until you get no return and you backtrack to the previous level. Sometimes there is only one trip sometimes 2 or 3 trips. If you have more than one then pick the one with the highest percentage rating. This trip should hit in the next draw or the one after. To get more precision ignore the last draw and if it does not hit in the ignored draw then the chances are it will hit in the very next draw. Once you have your trip, type it into the flt window and reset the col filter. Hit pairs, pick the pair with the highest percentage rating. Try to set for next2 over 4 skips. You may want to fiddle with this setting. You usually get the pair if you have identified the correct trip.
Hiya Patrick
Here is a test I did on the 7/49 game of the 49s up to Wednesday teatime draw on the Opening batsmen top rated trips.I went back 16 rows. The number next to the row indicates where the trip hit and the hyphen indicates the row it actually hit. To succeed it must hit in the next 2 draws:-
16. 1
15. 1
14. 2
13.-
12. 1
11. 2
10. -
9. 2
8. -
7. fail
6. -
5. 1
4. 2
3. -
2. fail
1. -
Here is a test I did on the 7/49 game of the 49s up to Wednesday teatime draw on the Opening batsmen top rated trips.I went back 16 rows. The number next to the row indicates where the trip hit and the hyphen indicates the row it actually hit. To succeed it must hit in the next 2 draws:-
16. 1
15. 1
14. 2
13.-
12. 1
11. 2
10. -
9. 2
8. -
7. fail
6. -
5. 1
4. 2
3. -
2. fail
1. -
Kunjani Patrick
Here is an interesting fact. When you back test to check results, the results depend on where you start your backtest. For example if I started at row 30 and carried on testing I can get a different result if I had started at row 31 or 28. So where we start to backtest puts us on a certain frequency and the frequency is only valid from where we started. Each filter operates in a certain spectrum and I got a feeling that we should be able to get 3 or 4 pairs. Tomorrow will try to forecast 4 pairs for the SA lottery on Saturday.
Here is an interesting fact. When you back test to check results, the results depend on where you start your backtest. For example if I started at row 30 and carried on testing I can get a different result if I had started at row 31 or 28. So where we start to backtest puts us on a certain frequency and the frequency is only valid from where we started. Each filter operates in a certain spectrum and I got a feeling that we should be able to get 3 or 4 pairs. Tomorrow will try to forecast 4 pairs for the SA lottery on Saturday.
Patrick123
Member
Dumela Springbok,
Sometimes, the more I look at the lotto, the more I wonder how many dimensions are actually required to satisfy the lotto chaos/random concept.
Skips within skips, and/or levels within levels? Are we trying trying to make it too complicated or are we always only going to get 4/7 selections, maybe St. Jude will assist with the rest?
This 'frequency' seems to hold the key to everything, when I back-test, 3 or 4 filters seem to produce the goods, but that combination seems to fail for all future requirements.
Maybe we are too optimistic (which I doubt) but possibly we must take the numbers produced each draw by these 2 or 3 filters and just play them faithfully each draw until we get a win. Lady Luck might feel sorry for us
Regards
Patrick
Sometimes, the more I look at the lotto, the more I wonder how many dimensions are actually required to satisfy the lotto chaos/random concept.
Skips within skips, and/or levels within levels? Are we trying trying to make it too complicated or are we always only going to get 4/7 selections, maybe St. Jude will assist with the rest?
This 'frequency' seems to hold the key to everything, when I back-test, 3 or 4 filters seem to produce the goods, but that combination seems to fail for all future requirements.
Maybe we are too optimistic (which I doubt) but possibly we must take the numbers produced each draw by these 2 or 3 filters and just play them faithfully each draw until we get a win. Lady Luck might feel sorry for us
Regards
Patrick
black prince
Member
Hi Patrick123
I've taken the approach that most draws results from the first 5 skips that
have 4 or 5 skips less than 6. I compare the results to other filters. If
they too pick some of these numbers, it's even stronger they will appear.
This is only working for 5/30. This is not a universal test for any lotto, but
observation of their skips as winners would reveal normal skip patterns.
So, far it's been very interesting. Today I hit 3 numbers (11,21,24) out of 9.
I won't play tommorrow because the skips didn't match any of the other
filters picks.
-BP
Originally Posted by Patrick123
Maybe we are too optimistic (which I doubt) but possibly we must take the numbers produced each draw by these 2 or 3 filters and just play them faithfully each draw until we get a win. Lady Luck might feel sorry for us
I've taken the approach that most draws results from the first 5 skips that
have 4 or 5 skips less than 6. I compare the results to other filters. If
they too pick some of these numbers, it's even stronger they will appear.
This is only working for 5/30. This is not a universal test for any lotto, but
observation of their skips as winners would reveal normal skip patterns.
So, far it's been very interesting. Today I hit 3 numbers (11,21,24) out of 9.
I won't play tommorrow because the skips didn't match any of the other
filters picks.
-BP
Hello Halfbee
Looks like the prayer to St Vidicon is the one for lottery players seeing that the forces of randomness seek to harm us I had to change some American spelling into English spelling.
Dear Lord, if it pleases You, allow the soul of Your servant Vidicon to lend his strength in defence of Your servant, by battling the forces of perversity, turning them against themselves and to the confounding of those who seek to harm us. Amen
HalfBee said:
Looks like the prayer to St Vidicon is the one for lottery players seeing that the forces of randomness seek to harm us
I had to change some American spelling into English spelling.Dear Lord, if it pleases You, allow the soul of Your servant Vidicon to lend his strength in defence of Your servant, by battling the forces of perversity, turning them against themselves and to the confounding of those who seek to harm us. Amen
Buenos Dias Senor Patrick
Don't worry about being confused as it is quite normal. In due course ideas floating around will gel. The talk of frequencies in backtesting are not relevant to the next draw as we work on that particular frequency I think. I am more than happy with optimising the opening batsmen with trips and then reducing them to pairs as my betting fund over the last few days has soared because of these openingbatsmen. I can just about pinpoint when the pair will hit.
Don't worry about being confused as it is quite normal. In due course ideas floating around will gel. The talk of frequencies in backtesting are not relevant to the next draw as we work on that particular frequency I think. I am more than happy with optimising the opening batsmen with trips and then reducing them to pairs as my betting fund over the last few days has soared because of these openingbatsmen. I can just about pinpoint when the pair will hit.
e Sawubona Patrick
To clarify further. Think of white noise and the signal. You have to decipher the signal from the noise. I was once at a seminar on Stock market trading given by a crack trader. I asked him if he spent the day reading the financial pages in the papers and economic forecasts. No ways, he said, too much much white noise. Everything he said is in the price, the day's minimum and maximum points and the range of the day. That is where you find the the signal amongst the white noise generated. The programme generates a vast amount of white noise and is confusing. There are many filters streaming out information. Each filter must be explored thoroughly, knowing what it does, the logic behind it and how it has performed in the past.
To clarify further. Think of white noise and the signal. You have to decipher the signal from the noise. I was once at a seminar on Stock market trading given by a crack trader. I asked him if he spent the day reading the financial pages in the papers and economic forecasts. No ways, he said, too much much white noise. Everything he said is in the price, the day's minimum and maximum points and the range of the day. That is where you find the the signal amongst the white noise generated. The programme generates a vast amount of white noise and is confusing. There are many filters streaming out information. Each filter must be explored thoroughly, knowing what it does, the logic behind it and how it has performed in the past.
jokerh1977
Member
Error/bugs
BUG IN BACKTESTING
It has been a loooong while since I posted but I have been following the thread constantly.
Patrick, thanks for your hard work. Unfortunately I've found a glaring error that can really mess up our backtesting. This is what happened. I found a column filter that worked well for my lotto. It presented several trips for the next draw. Not a single trip hit. Oh well. I then updated my draw file with the new drawing, and looked at the historical draw of 1. There were added new trips to the original ones suggested!!! Ones that would have hit!
I did some testing and this is the case, if the next draw has a number that is in the suggested trips then nothing changes, but... IF the next draw has no numbers then "hitting" trips are added to the previous draw under the historical analysis thus giving false positives! Could you check into this?
BUG IN BACKTESTINGIt has been a loooong while since I posted but I have been following the thread constantly.
Patrick, thanks for your hard work. Unfortunately I've found a glaring error that can really mess up our backtesting. This is what happened. I found a column filter that worked well for my lotto. It presented several trips for the next draw. Not a single trip hit. Oh well. I then updated my draw file with the new drawing, and looked at the historical draw of 1. There were added new trips to the original ones suggested!!! Ones that would have hit!
I did some testing and this is the case, if the next draw has a number that is in the suggested trips then nothing changes, but... IF the next draw has no numbers then "hitting" trips are added to the previous draw under the historical analysis thus giving false positives! Could you check into this?
Patrick123
Member
Hi jokerh1977
It has been quite a while since we've chatted.
Maybe I can ask you to give me more precise steps to re-create the error i.e.
Give me the file to upload.
Give me the sequences to click.
Give me the expected and actual results.
The more info I have to duplicate/replicate the problem, the easier it is to correct the problem.
Thanks for having such sharp eyes
Regards
Patrick
It has been quite a while since we've chatted.
Maybe I can ask you to give me more precise steps to re-create the error i.e.
Give me the file to upload.
Give me the sequences to click.
Give me the expected and actual results.
The more info I have to duplicate/replicate the problem, the easier it is to correct the problem.
Thanks for having such sharp eyes
Regards
Patrick