Winnalotto-Sangoma 2
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Patrick123
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Hi ganbatte,
I'll do so, sort of your own personal granny or monkey as Springbok would say, built into the program
Regards
Patrick
I'll do so, sort of your own personal granny or monkey as Springbok would say, built into the program
Regards
Patrick
black prince
Member
Patrick123
Patrick,
Here's an actual filter for 'Very Hot Numbers' from real drawings
for Treasure Hunt 5/30. It's ranks from 1 (current) to 10 (previous).
The hits are highlited in red on both sides.
.......drawing........Very hot numbers....
01) 04,12,15,27,29 <-- 2,4,29
02) 06,10,12,26,28 <-- 5,30
03) 08,16,22,23,25 <-- 19,22
04) 16,20,23,24,26 <-- 15
05) 03,14,18,21,25 <-- 6,16,27
06) 02,04,11,21,29 <-- 4
07) 05,21,25,26,20 <-- 5,26
08) 02,07,14,19,22 <-- 0
09) 02,09,15,19,22 <-- 22
10) 06,16,24,27,30 <-- 0
I need a routine that automates this test for whatever range I choose
and whatever filter I choose. Can this be done with Winnalotto now.
If so, please explain.
Thanks
-BP
Patrick,
Here's an actual filter for 'Very Hot Numbers' from real drawings
for Treasure Hunt 5/30. It's ranks from 1 (current) to 10 (previous).
The hits are highlited in red on both sides.
.......drawing........Very hot numbers....
01) 04,12,15,27,29 <-- 2,4,29
02) 06,10,12,26,28 <-- 5,30
03) 08,16,22,23,25 <-- 19,22
04) 16,20,23,24,26 <-- 15
05) 03,14,18,21,25 <-- 6,16,27
06) 02,04,11,21,29 <-- 4
07) 05,21,25,26,20 <-- 5,26
08) 02,07,14,19,22 <-- 0
09) 02,09,15,19,22 <-- 22
10) 06,16,24,27,30 <-- 0
I need a routine that automates this test for whatever range I choose
and whatever filter I choose. Can this be done with Winnalotto now.
If so, please explain.
Thanks
-BP
Hi Patrick
Hopefully my monkey can help me to whittle down the numbers for each draw.
I have been trying hard not to overly purge my final selection and have always wondered how your purging works, especially the "rows matching rows with x or more numbers". If I have:
1,2,3
1,2,4
1,3,4
2,3,4
and select 2 or more numbers then it leaves:
1,2,3
It seems to always retain the top row and delete the rest. Am I correct? Wouldn't one of the other rows also qualify?
Lastly, when I was generating all number combinations on the Purge tab, using 45 numbers and choosing a ticket size of 5, I received an error
"Access violation at address 0048B3D1 in module Winnalotto.exe. Read of address 0003FFFC".
Hopefully my monkey can help me to whittle down the numbers for each draw.
I have been trying hard not to overly purge my final selection and have always wondered how your purging works, especially the "rows matching rows with x or more numbers". If I have:
1,2,3
1,2,4
1,3,4
2,3,4
and select 2 or more numbers then it leaves:
1,2,3
It seems to always retain the top row and delete the rest. Am I correct? Wouldn't one of the other rows also qualify?
Lastly, when I was generating all number combinations on the Purge tab, using 45 numbers and choosing a ticket size of 5, I received an error
"Access violation at address 0048B3D1 in module Winnalotto.exe. Read of address 0003FFFC".
Bonjour Taaroa
You might like to test this filter for surfing the 49s with pairs. As with all testing over the 4 draw cycle go back say to 50 or 100 draws and keep a record of the strike rate and where the pair hit. You could even make a graph. Sometimes a picture talks to us better
Skip(0) >= 0
and
Skip(1) >= 5
and
Skip(2) >= 5
and
Skip(3) >= 5
You might like to test this filter for surfing the 49s with pairs. As with all testing over the 4 draw cycle go back say to 50 or 100 draws and keep a record of the strike rate and where the pair hit. You could even make a graph. Sometimes a picture talks to us better
Skip(0) >= 0
and
Skip(1) >= 5
and
Skip(2) >= 5
and
Skip(3) >= 5
Bonjour againTaaroa
The logic behind the filter is simple. If the pair had failed to hit in the say last 3 skip cycles then we hope it changes its hooligan habits and starts to hit within the required 4 draw period. If you want extend the filter to skip(4) or even more and see what happens. We assume that the current ongoing skip cycle has no relevance. It is like the Fullhouse filter but more precise.
The logic behind the filter is simple. If the pair had failed to hit in the say last 3 skip cycles then we hope it changes its hooligan habits and starts to hit within the required 4 draw period. If you want extend the filter to skip(4) or even more and see what happens. We assume that the current ongoing skip cycle has no relevance. It is like the Fullhouse filter but more precise.
turtle0747
Member
Hello Patrick from turtle0747
Hello Patrick
How does Winnalotto know the last ball in a line is the "bonus ball"?
I am going to test the Powerball. It draws 5 out of 55, but there is a bonus ball, 1 out of 42. How does it know to keep this ball out of the analysis for the 5?
Thanks
turtle0747
Patrick123 said:
Hello Patrick
How does Winnalotto know the last ball in a line is the "bonus ball"?
I am going to test the Powerball. It draws 5 out of 55, but there is a bonus ball, 1 out of 42. How does it know to keep this ball out of the analysis for the 5?
Thanks
turtle0747
Springbok said:You might like to test this filter for surfing the 49s with pairs. As with all testing over the 4 draw cycle go back say to 50 or 100 draws and keep a record of the strike rate and where the pair hit. You could even make a graph. Sometimes a picture talks to us better
Skip(0) >= 0
and
Skip(1) >= 5
and
Skip(2) >= 5
and
Skip(3) >= 5
Bonjour SpringBok,
Thanks for the tip. I'm always backtesting different strategies for the 649 and for the 5/50 Euromillions. No better results than random picks till now.
taaroa
Hello Taaroa
I am surprised that you cannot do better than random. For example the last filter I showed you I tested for a week(14 draws). I would pick the pairs with the least volatile skip record. 8 bets, 8 wins. Here is a list in which draw they hit over the 4 draw cycle within the 14 draw period of this week ending teatime Saturday:-
1,2,3,1,1,2,1,3
If that is random then I will eat my computer?
I am surprised that you cannot do better than random. For example the last filter I showed you I tested for a week(14 draws). I would pick the pairs with the least volatile skip record. 8 bets, 8 wins. Here is a list in which draw they hit over the 4 draw cycle within the 14 draw period of this week ending teatime Saturday:-
1,2,3,1,1,2,1,3
If that is random then I will eat my computer?
Springbok said:I am surprised that you cannot do better than random. For example the last filter I showed you I tested for a week(14 draws). I would pick the pairs with the least volatile skip record. 8 bets, 8 wins. Here is a list in which draw they hit over the 4 draw cycle within the 14 draw period of this week ending teatime Saturday:-
1,2,3,1,1,2,1,3
If that is random then I will eat my computer?
Bonjour SpringBok,
The results I spoke of was for Euromillions and french 649. Sure that the results for 49s fit your's.
taaroa
Bonsoir Monsieur Taaroa
I feel your pain at the frustration in the Euromillions and the 6/49 game. I bet hundreds of millions suffer from the same pain I must spend more time with the 6/49 game. Chasing pairs in the 49s is not going to finance a 2 to 3 month tour of Europe and save me from having to work for a living. I could do it but it would have to be by bicycle and sleeping in the ditches Better to do it in a Bentley Le Mans Turbo.
First of all we must knock the 6/49 game into some kind of recognizable shape. I will use the South African 6/49 game updated to the Saturday draw with the programme. You can do this with your particular lottery. I will use my Omega3 trip file{1,2,3: 4,5,6: 7,8,9 ... 46,47,48}. Avoid the full monty of 18,000+ trips for obvious reasons. I would rather look at 16 trips than 18,000 plus. Load your data file and then invoke the omega3 file and hit trips. Sort the trips in skip1 column in descending order. The zeros in that column will indicate which trips hit last draw. Now look at the skip 2 column and write the the skips opposite the winning trips in the skip1 column. Then go back to the loading screen and eliminate the last draw and load again and carry on in the same way. Do this a couple of times. Below is the reporting I wrote down for the last 5 SA draws.
draw1> 0,0,2,2,5,11
draw2>0,0,1,1,3
draw3> 1,1,1,1,2,4
draw4> 0,1,1,1,2,3
draw5> 0,1,1,3,3,9
The first thing to notice is the number of trips active in the draws. Four in draw1, three in draw 2. Three in draw 3. Four in draw 4 and four in draw 5. It would seem that 5 or 6 trips could only make a rare appearance(further testing would be necessary. The median of the trips is 1(meaning that 50% of the time half of them will hit in the first 2 draws and the rest from draw 2 inwards. Remember the count starts at zero so 1 = 2 in skip language. Note the spread of trips on either side of the median. So far we have given the game a bit of shape from originally a formless void. The trick now is to pick the correct 3 or 4 trips that will hit next draw giving us a small pool of numbers to make our life a bit easier. Over the next few days I will be writing some VB6 code to attempt to achieve this and hopefully give Patrick some pseudocode to implement in the programme. Of course I am not sure if this will be achievable with any degree of accuracy but testing will confirm. No doubt Patrick will suggest I start my tour of Europe by bicycle now and extend it to Vladivostok
I feel your pain at the frustration in the Euromillions and the 6/49 game. I bet hundreds of millions suffer from the same pain
I must spend more time with the 6/49 game. Chasing pairs in the 49s is not going to finance a 2 to 3 month tour of Europe and save me from having to work for a living. I could do it but it would have to be by bicycle and sleeping in the ditches Better to do it in a Bentley Le Mans Turbo.First of all we must knock the 6/49 game into some kind of recognizable shape. I will use the South African 6/49 game updated to the Saturday draw with the programme. You can do this with your particular lottery. I will use my Omega3 trip file{1,2,3: 4,5,6: 7,8,9 ... 46,47,48}. Avoid the full monty of 18,000+ trips for obvious reasons. I would rather look at 16 trips than 18,000 plus. Load your data file and then invoke the omega3 file and hit trips. Sort the trips in skip1 column in descending order. The zeros in that column will indicate which trips hit last draw. Now look at the skip 2 column and write the the skips opposite the winning trips in the skip1 column. Then go back to the loading screen and eliminate the last draw and load again and carry on in the same way. Do this a couple of times. Below is the reporting I wrote down for the last 5 SA draws.
draw1> 0,0,2,2,5,11
draw2>0,0,1,1,3
draw3> 1,1,1,1,2,4
draw4> 0,1,1,1,2,3
draw5> 0,1,1,3,3,9
The first thing to notice is the number of trips active in the draws. Four in draw1, three in draw 2. Three in draw 3. Four in draw 4 and four in draw 5. It would seem that 5 or 6 trips could only make a rare appearance(further testing would be necessary. The median of the trips is 1(meaning that 50% of the time half of them will hit in the first 2 draws and the rest from draw 2 inwards. Remember the count starts at zero so 1 = 2 in skip language. Note the spread of trips on either side of the median. So far we have given the game a bit of shape from originally a formless void. The trick now is to pick the correct 3 or 4 trips that will hit next draw giving us a small pool of numbers to make our life a bit easier. Over the next few days I will be writing some VB6 code to attempt to achieve this and hopefully give Patrick some pseudocode to implement in the programme. Of course I am not sure if this will be achievable with any degree of accuracy but testing will confirm. No doubt Patrick will suggest I start my tour of Europe by bicycle now and extend it to Vladivostok
Hi Taaroa & Springbok
Taaroa I have also looked at Euromillions but have given up for a while as nothing seems to work and those two stars are impossible
Springbok it's great to have your brilliant mind at work on the SA 6/49 game. After solidly staring at numbers and combinations for the past week in a multitude of ways and getting nada my mind needs a break and a new insight
Taaroa I have also looked at Euromillions but have given up for a while as nothing seems to work and those two stars are impossible
Springbok it's great to have your brilliant mind at work on the SA 6/49 game. After solidly staring at numbers and combinations for the past week in a multitude of ways and getting nada my mind needs a break and a new insight
But the principle is the sameHi Taaroa and Ganbattie
Apart from following Sprinboks mathematical route, you also have to think "off the wall", (or sangoma!) occasionally.
If you load the Euro history skipping the first line, and load every 3rd (3) level, with 500 lines.then filter 1-2-4. Press the Pairs button and......2 ineligible lines.
Press the trips button, go to the Max Val col, sort descending, and you get 5 44 46. Do the same with Rebalance, and it will be confirmed. Do the same with the Simple col, and you get the third number, 2 6 20, 5 44 46 is repeated below, and on the 7th line you get 2 20 50.
Col Double <=M also gives you 5 and 20 on the first two lines.
You have to work at getting results, either using maths, or the filters, the balls won't come to you! Good luck
Apart from following Sprinboks mathematical route, you also have to think "off the wall", (or sangoma!) occasionally.
If you load the Euro history skipping the first line, and load every 3rd (3) level, with 500 lines.then filter 1-2-4. Press the Pairs button and......2 ineligible lines.
Press the trips button, go to the Max Val col, sort descending, and you get 5 44 46. Do the same with Rebalance, and it will be confirmed. Do the same with the Simple col, and you get the third number, 2 6 20, 5 44 46 is repeated below, and on the 7th line you get 2 20 50.
Col Double <=M also gives you 5 and 20 on the first two lines.
You have to work at getting results, either using maths, or the filters, the balls won't come to you! Good luck
Hi Barge
I totally understand what you're saying but even sangomas can't get it right (as a number of them have told me).
I can spot the draw numbers afterwards but the trick is filtering down to a small enough selection of trips/pairs and then purging down to an affordable selection of numbers. Fitting in time to work on more than one lotto at a time is also difficult.
I never knew my stats and SQL work would come in so handy one day
I totally understand what you're saying but even sangomas can't get it right (as a number of them have told me).
I can spot the draw numbers afterwards but the trick is filtering down to a small enough selection of trips/pairs and then purging down to an affordable selection of numbers. Fitting in time to work on more than one lotto at a time is also difficult.
I never knew my stats and SQL work would come in so handy one day
HalfBee
Member
Patrick,
I was looking at pair/trips and had a lot more 0 on current skip than I expected. It seems that if ANY number in a pair or trip hits it counts as a hit for the whole pair/trip...
Can you check this, it doesn't seem right...
I was thinking it took all the numbers in a pair/trip to register as a hit/skip, maybe I'm missing something...
I was looking at pair/trips and had a lot more 0 on current skip than I expected. It seems that if ANY number in a pair or trip hits it counts as a hit for the whole pair/trip...
Can you check this, it doesn't seem right...
I was thinking it took all the numbers in a pair/trip to register as a hit/skip, maybe I'm missing something...
Springbok said:You might like to test this filter for surfing the 49s with pairs. As with all testing over the 4 draw cycle go back say to 50 or 100 draws and keep a record of the strike rate and where the pair hit. You could even make a graph. Sometimes a picture talks to us better
Skip(0) >= 0
and
Skip(1) >= 5
and
Skip(2) >= 5
and
Skip(3) >= 5
Sawubona Springbok,
Using your pair filter :
Skip(0) >= 0
and
Skip(1) >= 5
and
Skip(2) >= 5
and
Skip(3) >= 5
I found that using 100 draws of 49s+Bonus and the first pair of the sorted MaxVal column, I got a good hit rate for the 49s bookie.
For today, I played the pair 14-39. 39 hit at lunchtime. I bet 1.5 euro on each number, total 3 euros for lunchtime. Win : 9 euros. 6 euros profit. But, as I already said, the lunchtime draw happen at 1.30 am where I live. I'm dreaming of jackpots at that time and don't want to wake up and play for draw2. So, I play for lunchtime et teatime before going bed.
In today example, If I could, I would have stop play after winning. But I played 1.5+1.5 plus 2.25+2.25 for teatime, total expense 7.5 euros. My profit for today is 1.5 euros instead of 6. I'll never could travel to Europe at that rate.
taaroa