Winnalotto-Sangoma 2

taaroa

Member
Springbok said:
I feel your pain at the frustration in the Euromillions and the 6/49 game. I bet hundreds of millions suffer from the same pain:) I must spend more time with the 6/49 game. Chasing pairs in the 49s is not going to finance a 2 to 3 month tour of Europe and save me from having to work for a living. I could do it but it would have to be by bicycle and sleeping in the ditches:) Better to do it in a Bentley Le Mans Turbo.

First of all we must knock the 6/49 game into some kind of recognizable shape. I will use the South African 6/49 game updated to the Saturday draw with the programme. You can do this with your particular lottery. I will use my Omega3 trip file{1,2,3: 4,5,6: 7,8,9 ... 46,47,48}. Avoid the full monty of 18,000+ trips for obvious reasons. I would rather look at 16 trips than 18,000 plus. Load your data file and then invoke the omega3 file and hit trips. Sort the trips in skip1 column in descending order. The zeros in that column will indicate which trips hit last draw. Now look at the skip 2 column and write the the skips opposite the winning trips in the skip1 column. Then go back to the loading screen and eliminate the last draw and load again and carry on in the same way. Do this a couple of times. Below is the reporting I wrote down for the last 5 SA draws.

draw1> 0,0,2,2,5,11
draw2>0,0,1,1,3
draw3> 1,1,1,1,2,4
draw4> 0,1,1,1,2,3
draw5> 0,1,1,3,3,9

The first thing to notice is the number of trips active in the draws. Four in draw1, three in draw 2. Three in draw 3. Four in draw 4 and four in draw 5. It would seem that 5 or 6 trips could only make a rare appearance(further testing would be necessary. The median of the trips is 1(meaning that 50% of the time half of them will hit in the first 2 draws and the rest from draw 2 inwards. Remember the count starts at zero so 1 = 2 in skip language. Note the spread of trips on either side of the median. So far we have given the game a bit of shape from originally a formless void. The trick now is to pick the correct 3 or 4 trips that will hit next draw giving us a small pool of numbers to make our life a bit easier. Over the next few days I will be writing some VB6 code to attempt to achieve this and hopefully give Patrick some pseudocode to implement in the programme. Of course I am not sure if this will be achievable with any degree of accuracy but testing will confirm. No doubt Patrick will suggest I start my tour of Europe by bicycle now and extend it to Vladivostok:rolling:

Bonjour Springbok,

Thank you again for your efficient ideas. Lottos commissions are going to change their games!

Yes, I'll never get my dream Roll Royce. However, walking is better for health I have been said. Must I believe that?

I'll test your method for 649. My best results for this lottery is from using about 14 layers from Bright6, take out the doubles, and create lines of six numbers. Then, I use each line as a filter. I analyse first Trips, then analyse Trips split in pairs, the balls from these pairs. I choose 20 to 25 balls to form a group. Too much numbers but a good reduction from 49 to 25 numbers.

Sometimes, all 6 numbers are not in the 14 layers. I consecuently don't use layers anymore. I just split the 49 numbers into 8 lines. I analyse then trips then pairs then balls. I must work more to confirm choosen numbers.

taaroa
 

taaroa

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ganbatte said:
Taaroa I have also looked at Euromillions but have given up for a while as nothing seems to work and those two stars are impossible QUOTE]

Bonjour ganbatte,

Yes, EuroMillions is a tough game but I think it's feaseable. I regularly see good pronos on sites particularly for stars (2 out of 9). Look at Black Prince post who play le 5/30 and adapt it to 5/50. Yes, a lot of work.

taaroa
 

taaroa

Member
barge said:
Apart from following Sprinboks mathematical route, you also have to think "off the wall", (or sangoma!) occasionally.
If you load the Euro history skipping the first line, and load every 3rd (3) level, with 500 lines.then filter 1-2-4. Press the Pairs button and......2 ineligible lines.
Press the trips button, go to the Max Val col, sort descending, and you get 5 44 46. Do the same with Rebalance, and it will be confirmed. Do the same with the Simple col, and you get the third number, 2 6 20, 5 44 46 is repeated below, and on the 7th line you get 2 20 50.
Col Double <=M also gives you 5 and 20 on the first two lines.

You have to work at getting results, either using maths, or the filters, the balls won't come to you! Good luck:)

Bonjour barge,

I agree with you. You must work to get results. It is what I do.

I follow different trails. I tested all winnalotto filters on Euromillions and try to adapt them to this particular lottery. Not an easy work. I also follow Black Prince methods which need some twicking to get some results. What is good for 5/30 is not automatically good for 5/50 which is tougher. You must understand the idea behind the filters to adapt them.

Till now, my best regular results is from analysing the skips (numbers of games out.)

First I look at the last skips of each number. Then I split the 50 numbers in Trips like 1-2-3,4-5-6, and so on. Last trip is in fact the pair 49-50.

I then sum up skips of numbers 1+2+3 and others trips. I take 7 trips which have the smaller sum. That is 21 numbers. Then I add the two trips with the higher sum. Total 27 numbers.

That is a lot of numbers. You can then use the trips as filters for analyse as pairs, eventually as balls but pairs are more accurate.

The next step would be to eliminate so numbers. I'm not sure how to do that. Then you create your lines and filter them. Winnalotto is there to make the work.

Thanks for your method. I work these days on how to confirm numbers by examining results in each column. I think this is the best way to have better results for those who have not SpringBok ability. This fellow has eyes behind the head. Your method will probably help me to make progress. I'll test it.

taaroa
 

taaroa

Member
Springbok said:
First of all we must knock the 6/49 game into some kind of recognizable shape. I will use the South African 6/49 game updated to the Saturday draw with the programme. You can do this with your particular lottery. I will use my Omega3 trip file{1,2,3: 4,5,6: 7,8,9 ... 46,47,48}. Avoid the full monty of 18,000+ trips for obvious reasons. I would rather look at 16 trips than 18,000 plus. Load your data file and then invoke the omega3 file and hit trips. Sort the trips in skip1 column in descending order. The zeros in that column will indicate which trips hit last draw. Now look at the skip 2 column and write the the skips opposite the winning trips in the skip1 column. Then go back to the loading screen and eliminate the last draw and load again and carry on in the same way. Do this a couple of times. Below is the reporting I wrote down for the last 5 SA draws.

draw1> 0,0,2,2,5,11
draw2>0,0,1,1,3
draw3> 1,1,1,1,2,4
draw4> 0,1,1,1,2,3
draw5> 0,1,1,3,3,9

The first thing to notice is the number of trips active in the draws. Four in draw1, three in draw 2. Three in draw 3. Four in draw 4 and four in draw 5. It would seem that 5 or 6 trips could only make a rare appearance(further testing would be necessary. The median of the trips is 1(meaning that 50% of the time half of them will hit in the first 2 draws and the rest from draw 2 inwards. Remember the count starts at zero so 1 = 2 in skip language. Note the spread of trips on either side of the median. So far we have given the game a bit of shape from originally a formless void. The trick now is to pick the correct 3 or 4 trips that will hit next draw giving us a small pool of numbers to make our life a bit easier. Over the next few days I will be writing some VB6 code to attempt to achieve this and hopefully give Patrick some pseudocode to implement in the programme. Of course I am not sure if this will be achievable with any degree of accuracy but testing will confirm. No doubt Patrick will suggest I start my tour of Europe by bicycle now and extend it to Vladivostok:rolling:

Bonjour SpringBok,

I'm testing your method for my 649 lotto. So, I loaded my file with 6 numbers + bonus and loaded the Omega3.flt file. I hit Trips and sorted the skip1 column. I looked at skip1=0. Now, what do you mean by "Now look at the skip 2 column and write the skips opposite the winning trips in the skip1 column."? Please, need some help.

By the way, you must train before starting your bicycle tour. You just miss the Tour de France departure, a good training trip.


taaroa
 

ganbatte

Member
Hi Patrick, JoeSam, BlouBul

The Predict SA Lotto thread seems to have gone quiet so how did you guys do on Saturday with your selections?
 

bloubul

Member
ganbatte said:
Hi Patrick, JoeSam, BlouBul

The Predict SA Lotto thread seems to have gone quiet so how did you guys do on Saturday with your selections?

Hi ganbatte

We have been shot with a shotgun, all over the place. But we refuse to give up.

BlouBul :cool:
 

bloubul

Member
Springbok said:
If you replicate the results in the SA lottery you will get different reporting. I noticed an error in my data file in the 4th and 5th lines, duh:dunce: But the principle is the same

Hi Springbok

Have sort your data error, or can I be of help to you.

BlouBul :cool:
 

taaroa

Member
Bonjour Springbok,

Today I played the pair 3-36. 3 hit draw2. I played 1 euro each number for 2 draws. Cost 4 euros. Win 6 euros. Benefit 2 euros. Better than yesterday. My conclusion is I have better play equal sums for the 2 drawings than use Fullhouse's money management , in my particular location. This will give me better benefits on the long term. After next 20 drawings I'll see at the results and bet higher but still reasonable sums.


taaroa
 

taaroa

Member
Bonjour Springbok,

Winnalotto gave me the pair 12-42 for today. 1 hit at lunchtime, the other at teatime. Cost 4x1 euros. Won : 12 euros. Benefit 8 euros. Good but...I forgot to play! Saperlipopette!! Today I got pair 11-12 et played illico.

taaroa
 

Patrick123

Member
HalfBee said:
Patrick,

I was looking at pair/trips and had a lot more 0 on current skip than I expected. It seems that if ANY number in a pair or trip hits it counts as a hit for the whole pair/trip...

Can you check this, it doesn't seem right...

I was thinking it took all the numbers in a pair/trip to register as a hit/skip, maybe I'm missing something...

Hi HalfBee,

This is what the Sangoma Technique is all about.

http://www.lotto649.ws/lotto-tips-strategies/8749-sangoma-number-divination.html


As the program is an ongoing issue, you will find extremely limited documentation about the program. EVERYTHING about the program, and it's workings, including the concepts of skips and column filters, are documented in this thread and the one above.

Regards
Patrick
 

Patrick123

Member
black prince said:
Patrick,

Here's an actual filter for 'Very Hot Numbers' from real drawings
for Treasure Hunt 5/30. It's ranks from 1 (current) to 10 (previous).
The hits are highlited in red on both sides.

.......drawing........Very hot numbers....

01) 04,12,15,27,29 <-- 2,4,29
02) 06,10,12,26,28 <-- 5,30
03) 08,16,22,23,25 <-- 19,22
04) 16,20,23,24,26 <-- 15
05) 03,14,18,21,25 <-- 6,16,27
06) 02,04,11,21,29 <-- 4
07) 05,21,25,26,20 <-- 5,26
08) 02,07,14,19,22 <-- 0
09) 02,09,15,19,22 <-- 22
10) 06,16,24,27,30 <-- 0

I need a routine that automates this test for whatever range I choose
and whatever filter I choose. Can this be done with Winnalotto now.
If so, please explain. :)

Thanks


-BP

Hi BP,

The closest WinnaLotto gets to this is the following procedure,

  • You load your data-file.
  • On the Drawing Analysis screen, click Get History, the default of 5 past draws will be loaded.
  • Load your Column Filter and click Filter Evaluation.

This will give you a summary how that filter has performed for Balls, Pairs, & Trips.

You can then change the Combo box that says 'Current' to 'Past x' where x is from 1 to 5 - the previous draws. Then click Balls, pairs or Trips.
The filter results for that historical draw will be displayed, the winning draw will be shown at the bottom, with a summary of the results.
The columns #19, #103, #104 and #105 will give you the results of the selection of the filter over the next 4 draws.

This is the closest WinnaLotto will get to your requirements.

Regards
Patrick
 

HalfBee

Member
Thanks Patrick,

I did read the other thread, but at 1000+ posts (many going off on tangents or off topic) it's difficult to tell where the program stands now instead of what was happening over a year ago in it's development.

That's part of where this thread takes over... I was just checking if it wasn't something different in the most recently released version that I hadn't noticed before...

My other question about 'add selection' option on right-click hasn't been answered yet and I couldn't find anything about that option so far in either thread (but then I didn't do a search either so it might be my failing again :agree: )

I did find a reference to you adding this feature, but nothing afterward. When I use it and hit save it doesn't seem to put the selection anywhere, either in a file or on some other screen...
 

Patrick123

Member
turtle0747 said:
Hello Patrick

How does Winnalotto know the last ball in a line is the "bonus ball"?
I am going to test the Powerball. It draws 5 out of 55, but there is a bonus ball, 1 out of 42. How does it know to keep this ball out of the analysis for the 5?

Thanks
turtle0747

Hi turtle0747,

WinnaLotto treats each ball as the same. You will have to separate the Bonus ball, and analyse each section individually.
The first section - 5 balls in the draw @ 55 numbers.
The second, - 1 ball in the draw @ 42 numbers.

Regards
Patrick
 

Patrick123

Member
ganbatte said:
Hi Patrick

Hopefully my monkey can help me to whittle down the numbers for each draw.

I have been trying hard not to overly purge my final selection and have always wondered how your purging works, especially the "rows matching rows with x or more numbers". If I have:

1,2,3
1,2,4
1,3,4
2,3,4

and select 2 or more numbers then it leaves:

1,2,3

It seems to always retain the top row and delete the rest. Am I correct? Wouldn't one of the other rows also qualify?

Lastly, when I was generating all number combinations on the Purge tab, using 45 numbers and choosing a ticket size of 5, I received an error
"Access violation at address 0048B3D1 in module Winnalotto.exe. Read of address 0003FFFC".

Hi ganbatte,

The program will always retain the first row and discard the rest that match the criteria. That is why I added the 'Shuffle Rows' button to make it a bit more of a random selection. I usually run all my other purges first before I eventually use this one.

I will try and replicate the error that you received.

Regards
Patrick
 

Patrick123

Member
HalfBee said:
Thanks Patrick,

I did read the other thread, but at 1000+ posts (many going off on tangents or off topic) it's difficult to tell where the program stands now instead of what was happening over a year ago in it's development.

That's part of where this thread takes over... I was just checking if it wasn't something different in the most recently released version that I hadn't noticed before...

My other question about 'add selection' option on right-click hasn't been answered yet and I couldn't find anything about that option so far in either thread (but then I didn't do a search either so it might be my failing again :agree: )

I did find a reference to you adding this feature, but nothing afterward. When I use it and hit save it doesn't seem to put the selection anywhere, either in a file or on some other screen...

Hi HalfBee,
I've been threatening to get down & do the documentation, but I always end up being side-tracked... Talk about ADHD syndrome :)

Anyway, that is a semi-complete section, the rows that you have added, reflect on the selection screen. The concept is that you can search for potential patterns that may occur. e.g.

A Historical High at level 1, moving to a Draadsitter and the next level or 2 then turning into an Opening Batsman at even higher levels.

The ultimate aim, is for the program to start recognizing these win-patterns and highlight them for you.

Regards
Patrick
 

Patrick123

Member
Springbok said:
Over the next few days I will be writing some VB6 code to attempt to achieve this and hopefully give Patrick some pseudocode to implement in the programme. Of course I am not sure if this will be achievable with any degree of accuracy but testing will confirm. No doubt Patrick will suggest I start my tour of Europe by bicycle now and extend it to Vladivostok:rolling:

Dumela Springbok,

Before you start on your tour... don't forget the pseudocode first :rolling:

At this rate, make it a tandem & I'll come and join you :thumb:

Regards
Patrick
 

ganbatte

Member
Patrick123 said:
Hi HalfBee,
I've been threatening to get down & do the documentation, but I always end up being side-tracked... Talk about ADHD syndrome :)


Hi Patrick

I understand what you mean about documentation. The last thing a programmer wants to do it write a manual.

What I have done, and anyone else can do, is copy and paste any relevant posts into one document which they can refer to. Makes it a lot easier.
 
Hi Patrick123


Originally Posted by Patrick123
Hi BP,

The closest WinnaLotto gets to this is the following procedure,

* You load your data-file.
* On the Drawing Analysis screen, click Get History, the default of 5 past draws will be loaded.
* Load your Column Filter and click Filter Evaluation.


This will give you a summary how that filter has performed for Balls, Pairs, & Trips.

You can then change the Combo box that says 'Current' to 'Past x' where x is from 1 to 5 - the previous draws. Then click Balls, pairs or Trips.
The filter results for that historical draw will be displayed, the winning draw will be shown at the bottom, with a summary of the results.
The columns #19, #103, #104 and #105 will give you the results of the selection of the filter over the next 4 draws.

This is the closest WinnaLotto will get to your requirements.

Regards
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the information. I've been trying to find quicker ways to backtest
interesting filters to evaluate their effectiveness. These filters are not
universal as far as results for every lotto game. For example, 'N+x>=H',
'Median Due' and 'Rebal Perc' produce good picks for 5/30, but are way
off for 5/43. I'm currently trying 5/19 (Mix & Match) to see if a smaller
spread is better. If this holds true, each filter needs to be customized
for each game.

As for documentating Winnalotto, it would be nice to create a sticky and
have others contribute information on how to use this program. In other
words, one place to look instead of reading through every post. Also,
a sticky would be nice for new updates and features for Winnalotto. :)

-BP
 
Hi Patrick123

Patrick123

Can I perform compound tests using winnalotto?

For example each line represents a group test:

.........Skip1.......Skip2.....Skip3.......Skip4.......Skip5

1) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
2) ...#20>5.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
3) ...#20<6.....#21>5.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
4) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22>5.....#23<6.....#24<6 (or)
5) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23>5.....#24<6 (or)
6) ...#20<6.....#21<6.....#22<6.....#23<6.....#24>5

This would display all Balls that pass these tests in one
filter, instead of 6 separate filters.

Thanks :)

-BP
 

taaroa

Member
Sawubona Patrick,

I have some problem with the following filtering for Pairs and Trips using 6 numbers lines :

If I use line 1 3 6 19 28 45 as a .flt filter in the filter window, I get all pairs.

If I use the line : 10 25 29 34 37 46, I get :

10 25 29 34 37
46

in the filter window and the pairs with 46 doesnt appear.

It looks like if the numbers have over 11 caracters, the last number is ignored.

Is there a mean to fix that, please.

Thank you.

With Balls, the 6 numbers appear.

taaroa
 

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