Repeaters

[Dennis Bassboss]

Well, actually I believe it was GillesD a long long time ago that supplied me with my first database (excel) file when I was requesting information about where I could get one. Since then I have updated it manually and double checked it myself. Occassionally verifying data against olgc stat's and in messages like this where we all compare

What I find funny is that Nick's software has also the very same differences in it...I have that database..(same as Beaker)
I'm pretty sure it is the way we are counting skips and hit...

I actually have a few updated databases most of them from BCLC
and some just like yours that I update and check with official lotto site results...

 

[Snides]

cool, i've just re-discovered something i put into this program that was supposed to figure out the most likely postions for the repeaters to appear in next... looks like it almost works too. I forgot all about this since I had to shrink it's window to make more data fit on the screen I'll hafta play with this some more..

 

[GillesD]

Method for finding repeaters

The database found on BCLC site is right.

Here is my method for finding repeaters. It is so easy in Excel.
Basically, I just ask if a number is found twice in two consecutive draws and this is repeated for all draws (1-2096) and for all numbers (1-49). Those that meet this criteria are identified and I just have to count the number of times it occured.

 

[gsobier]

Snides:

I have exactly the same as GillesD and I need to point out 09 should have 41 instead of 42.

Regards,
George

without the bonus my data is the same as GillesD with the exceptions of;

8 he gets 37 i get 38
33 he gets 31 i get 32
36 he gets 39 i get 40
37 he gets 34 i get 35
39 he gets 28 i get 29

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

Re: Method for finding repeaters

The database found on BCLC site is right.

Here is my method for finding repeaters. It is so easy in Excel.
Basically, I just ask if a number is found twice in two consecutive draws and this is repeated for all draws (1-2096) and for all numbers (1-49). Those that meet this criteria are identified and I just have to count the number of times it occured.

I have exactly the same for repeaters as your numbers as you can see from my post! And also the same for total count in terms of hit for the numbers you posted!

 

[Beaker]

Re: Method for finding repeaters

The database found on BCLC site is right.

Here is my method for finding repeaters. It is so easy in Excel.
Basically, I just ask if a number is found twice in two consecutive draws and this is repeated for all draws (1-2096) and for all numbers (1-49). Those that meet this criteria are identified and I just have to count the number of times it occured.

Of course

But what do you do for the first time a number hits?? How do you count the skips? for draw 1, draw 2??? This is the question.

Show me the hit/skip list for the number 3 - first 20 hit/skips.

This is what I have for 3

Draw-Skip

01 1
04 2
10 5
14 3
24 9
27 2
35 7
39 3
45 5
46 0
54 7
60 5
71 10
73 1
77 3
78 0
97 18
100 2
103 2
117 13
123 5

 

[peter]

One thing we know, Peter has to fix his stuff for sure
which was the original post

Well, I spent the evening going over each of the 49 number files, paying particular attention to the numbers that had a discrepancy, with those from Gilles, In all cases the draw data in those files were correct, My problem however was a math problem, the error was strictly my inability to count properly.
My apologies for posting flawed information.
After re counting each number, I come up with identical numbers to those that Gilles has posted, My total repeat count sits at 2103.
Thxs again Gilles
At least this made us all look at our files.
Moral of the story, don't be afraid to challenge someone, and if you are challenged, don't take it as an insult, but rather as a tool of confirmation.

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

Re: Re: Method for finding repeaters

Of course

But what do you do for the first time a number hits?? How do you count the skips? for draw 1, draw 2??? This is the question.

Show me the hit/skip list for the number 3 - first 20 hit/skips.

This is what I have for 3

Beaker----Dennis
Draw-Skip

01--- 1----0
04--- 2----2
10--- 5----5
14--- 3----3
24--- 9----9
27--- 2----2
35--- 7----7
39--- 3----3
45--- 5----5
46--- 0----0
54--- 7----7
60--- 5----5
71--- 10--10
73--- 1----1
77--- 3----3
78--- 0----0
97--- 18--18
100- 2----2
103- 2----2
117- 13--13
123- 5----5
But the repeaters count for me start only in draw 2...

 

[peter]

Snides:

I have exactly the same as GillesD and I need to point out 09 should have 41 instead of 42.

Regards,
George

You are correct George the 9 is 41 not 42.

 

[Snides]

my database is correct too, it's simply the position I put the counter in. I count skips draw to draw starting with 1 not 0, so for the first draw all the numbers have a skip of 1. Then i check the numbers that came up in draw 2 to see if they had a skip of 1 (which they all did). So all the numbers from draw 2 (except 41) are incorrectly stated by +1 total repeat counts.

This also explains why the number 9 is higher by one in the 'with bonus' count..

 

[peter]

Ok, after 5 pages of lengthy discussion by all, and much database searching, we can all agree the numbers posted by Gilles are all correct, I can now concur this, so if you have something other than that , it is incorrect.

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

my database is correct too, it's simply the position I put the counter in. I count skips draw to draw starting with 1 not 0, so for the first draw all the numbers have a skip of 1. Then i check the numbers that came up in draw 2 to see if they had a skip of 1 (which they all did). So all the numbers from draw 2 (except 41) are incorrectly stated by +1 total repeat counts.

This also explains why the number 9 is higher by one in the 'with bonus' count..

I agree here...It is only how we count them...We had the example with Nick's software and BCLC database too..

 

[peter]

I agree here...It is only how we count them...We had the example with Nick's software and BCLC database too..And Peter
You are arguing George but you are telling the same thing?

I must be getting tired eyes, at first I misread his post. then I reread it again,

 

[Snides]

good conclusion Peter, now let's try repeats by position

I have this data..

repeats in;
position 1 = 309
position 2 = 297
position 3 = 265
position 4 = 299
position 5 = 303
position 6 = 334
position 7 = 296

Total 2103 repeats

This of course assumes that the draws are sorted numerically from lowest to highest number, with the excemption of the bonus number which is always placed in the 7th position

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

I must be getting tired eyes, at first I misread his post. then I reread it again,

Must be your french accent...

 

[peter]

good conclusion Peter, now let's try repeats by position

I have this data..

repeats in;
position 1 = 309
position 2 = 297
position 3 = 265
position 4 = 299
position 5 = 303
position 6 = 334
position 7 = 296

Total 2103 repeats

This of course assumes that the draws are sorted numerically from lowest to highest number, with the excemption of the bonus number which is always placed in the 7th position

I must confess Snides, I don't keep repeats by position, I keep a chart on numbers by position, but not the repeats, that sounds interesting.

 

[Beaker]

Ok, after 5 pages of lengthy discussion by all, and much database searching, we can all agree the numbers posted by Gilles are all correct, I can now concur this, so if you have something other than that , it is incorrect.

Thanks to everyone for their contributions.

nufced

 

[peter]

Must be your french accent...

That's what happens when you hang around too many French guys, soon you start to sound like them.

 

[peter]

Thanks to everyone for their contributions.

nufced

Agreed, good thread,

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

good conclusion Peter, now let's try repeats by position

I have this data..

repeats in;
position 1 = 309
position 2 = 297
position 3 = 265
position 4 = 299
position 5 = 303
position 6 = 334
position 7 = 296

Total 2103 repeats

This of course assumes that the draws are sorted numerically from lowest to highest number, with the excemption of the bonus number which is always placed in the 7th position

Very interesting data Snides...I have not yet looked at repeaters by position....I will..