Repeaters

[Beaker]

Beaker if you get rid of these 7 numbers from the first draw you end up having the same count as myself,Gilles and George...

Yes, I had a bug in the way I counted those initial draws - you'll notice all those numbers were in draw 2.

 

[Beaker]

If you don't include the first hit in the skip list - after draw 1 - you won't get the total counts correct

It has to be there

This is why I asked GillesD to give me his total counts for those numbers - he never responded - They will be out by 1.

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

OK,

I agree with the hit-first-then-count-the-skip approach but the first time is a special condition.

Draw 1 is given - you can't count any skips for those but I think you can make a case for counting any number after draw 1 - the first time it hits- as a skip count from draw 1

Beaker...Nick's software is counting the first draw like a 1 skip for all the numbers in that first draw...It should not
I agree with what you are saying and after that first draw I don't find anymore mistake in Nick's tool...
(Regarding the count of these skips...for repeaters)
I didn't check for the other skip or jumping numbers (skips from 1 to more) I will maybe some other mistakes are in there...You could check it out too..I have posted already these in this thread with and without bonus...

 

[gsobier]

Beaker:

I agree with Dennis... ...that extra skip is making trouble. I guess this is a case closed on this one for me.

Regards,
George

Beaker...Nick's software is counting the first draw like a 1 skip for all the numbers in that first draw...It should not
I agree with what you are saying and after that first draw I don't find anymore mistake in Nick's tool...
(Regarding the count of these skips...for repeaters)
I didn't check for the other skip or jumping numbers (skips from 1 to more) I will maybe some other mistakes are in there...You could check it out too..I have posted already these in this thread with and without bonus...

 

[Beaker]

Beaker:

I agree with Dennis... ...that extra skip is making trouble. I guess this is a case closed on this one for me.

Regards,
George

If you don't include that first draw as a skip 0 (or skip 1 for Nick) your total counts for those numbers will be out by 1.

You should be able to count the skips 1- n and get a total that corresponds to the total number of times the number hit.

You can do this by counting draw numbers - for each number - but you should be able to do this by skips also

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

To make it simple here it is...How can a number repeat if that number has never hit before?
A repeater must be a skip 0....This is where the error lies...

For skips counts...
lets say a number only appear in draw 10...you start counting its skips from draw 1 to the current draw...which is draw 10...In other words it took 9 draws (or skipped 9 ) for that number to hit...
For some reasons Nick's tool is counting the numbers from the first draw as repeaters or skip 0....When you do the total from these skip 0...you have 7 skip 0 that shouldn't be there...

 

[Beaker]

To make it simple here it is...How can a number repeat if that number has never hit before?
A repeater must be a skip 0....This is where the error lies...

For skips counts...
lets say a number only appear in draw 10...you start counting its skips from draw 1 to the current draw...which is draw 10...In other words it took 9 draws (or skipped 9 ) for that number to hit...
For some reasons Nick's tool is counting the numbers from the first draw as repeaters or skip 0....When you do the total from these skip 0...you have 7 skip 0 that shouldn't be there...

You are correct, but if you look at % of skips based on the total number of times hit, you need that to make your totals correct

Otherwise your % are out a bit.

I might leave it the way I had it but I won't quote those numbers

One thing we know, Peter has to fix his stuff for sure
which was the original post

 

[Beaker]

I wonder what Snides did - he lists hit/skip together

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

You are correct, but if you look at % of skips based on the total number of times hit, you need that to make your totals correct

Otherwise your % are out a bit.

I might leave it the way I had it but I won't quote those numbers

One thing we know, Peter has to fix his stuff for sure
which was the original post

Seems like Peter and Nick have to fix this....

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

I wonder what Snides did - he lists hit/skip together

Let's ask him....
The term intervale in french is somehow more explicit to me...Had some hard times with skips in the beginning way back when I started looking at this stuff...

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

You are correct, but if you look at % of skips based on the total number of times hit, you need that to make your totals correct

Otherwise your % are out a bit.

I might leave it the way I had it but I won't quote those numbers

One thing we know, Peter has to fix his stuff for sure
which was the original post

You are correct about that...

 

[Beaker]

Let's ask him....
The term intervale in french is somehow more explicit to me...Had some hard times with skips in the beginning way back when I started looking at this stuff...

Yes, interval is what it is but you need a start to have an interval and with the first draw you either say the start is 0 or don't count them.

When I wrote my first hit/skip program, the first time the number hit was the first skip in the list

so the first draw 3-11-12-.... all those numbers start with a 1 skip.

I need to keep that count = total number of times because I look at %skip to rank them based on total times the number has come.

 

[GillesD]

Data on specific numbers

Beaker

Here is the data you wanted on some specific numbers. It lists the number, the number of times it came out (first not considering the bonus number, then considering the bonus number). The last two numbers give the number of times it was repeated in consecutive draws (first not considering the bonus number, then considering the bonus number).

08: 249 - - 295 - - 37 - - 48
09: 255 - - 295 - - 32 - - 41
12: 255 - - 298 - - 26 - - 42
14: 249 - - 289 - - 31 - - 40
33: 243 - - 292 - - 31 - - 42
36: 256 - - 308 - - 39 - - 50
37: 249 - - 294 - - 34 - - 46
39: 252 - - 304 - - 28 - - 40

 

[Snides]

I wonder what Snides did - he lists hit/skip together

Boy I'm slow, you guys got 4 pages in before I could catch up
Here's what I get..
Yikes, now we've got more things out of wack

What I got________ | GillesD ______ | Peter's
1 repeated 49 times | 01: 33 - - 49 | 01..49..1986
2 repeated 37 times | 02: 27 - - 37 * | 02..35..1941
3 repeated 48 times | 03: 35 - - 48 * | 03..46..2089
4 repeated 39 times | 04: 30 - - 39 * | 04..38..2032
5 repeated 42 times | 05: 32 - - 42 | 05..42..2080
6 repeated 42 times | 06: 33 - - 42 * | 06..41..2052
7 repeated 53 times | 07: 38 - - 53 | 07..53..2003
8 repeated 49 times | 08: 37 - - 48 * | 08..47..2064
9 repeated 42 times | 09: 32 - - 41 | 09..41..1933
10 repeated 39 times | 10: 30 - - 39 * | 10..38..2060
11 repeated 38 times | 11: 26 - - 38 * | 11..37..1942
12 repeated 42 times | 12: 26 - - 42 | 12..42..2094
13 repeated 45 times | 13: 31 - - 45 | 13..45..2084
14 repeated 40 times | 14: 31 - - 40 | 14..40..2093
15 repeated 28 times | 15: 25 - - 28 | 15..28..2005
16 repeated 44 times | 16: 29 - - 44 | 16..44..1952
17 repeated 35 times | 17: 29 - - 35 | 17..35..2081
18 repeated 47 times | 18: 25 - - 47 | 18..47..2068
19 repeated 34 times | 19: 25 - - 34 * | 19..33..1928
20 repeated 42 times | 20: 26 - - 42 | 20..42..2090
21 repeated 29 times | 21: 21 - - 29 * | 21..28..1863
22 repeated 35 times | 22: 22 - - 35 | 22..35..1997
23 repeated 45 times | 23: 32 - - 45 | 23..45..2090
24 repeated 28 times | 24: 21 - - 28 * | 24..27..1843
25 repeated 38 times | 25: 28 - - 38 | 25..38..2071
26 repeated 43 times | 26: 32 - - 43 | 26..43..2096
27 repeated 52 times | 27: 39 - - 52 | 27..52..2073
28 repeated 39 times | 28: 29 - - 39 | 28..39..2093
29 repeated 47 times | 29: 33 - - 47 * | 29..48..2064
30 repeated 37 times | 30: 27 - - 37 | 30..37..2042
31 repeated 62 times | 31: 53 - - 62 | 31..62..2074
32 repeated 42 times | 32: 35 - - 42 | 32..42..1991
33 repeated 43 times | 33: 31 - - 42 | 33..42..2069
34 repeated 60 times | 34: 45 - - 60 | 34..60..2077
35 repeated 34 times | 35: 23 - - 34 | 35..34..2033
36 repeated 51 times | 36: 39 - - 50 | 36..50..2035
37 repeated 47 times | 37: 34 - - 46 * | 37..45..2057
38 repeated 43 times | 38: 34 - - 43 | 38..43..2091
39 repeated 41 times | 39: 28 - - 40 * | 39..39..1947
40 repeated 41 times | 40: 32 - - 41 | 40..41..2087
41 repeated 40 times | 41: 27 - - 40 * | 41..41..2037
42 repeated 49 times | 42: 38 - - 49 | 42..49..2075
43 repeated 54 times | 43: 44 - - 54 * | 43..53..2066
44 repeated 40 times | 44: 32 - - 40 | 44..40..2068
45 repeated 47 times | 45: 35 - - 47 * | 45..46..2056
46 repeated 40 times | 46: 31 - - 40 | 46..40..2060
47 repeated 53 times | 47: 45 - - 53 | 47..53..2044
48 repeated 31 times | 48: 25 - - 31 | 48..31..2008
49 repeated 63 times | 49: 43 - - 63 | 49..63..2063

 

[Snides]

without the bonus my data is the same as GillesD with the exceptions of;

8 he gets 37 i get 38
33 he gets 31 i get 32
36 he gets 39 i get 40
37 he gets 34 i get 35
39 he gets 28 i get 29

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

How's this possible??
Snides did you get your data from BCLC?
How do you count the first draw in terms of Skip?? Skip 0 or else?
I have the same data as Gilles all the way...

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

Repeaters and jumping numbers for Canadian 6/49
Some numbers seem to specialize in repeating more after jumping the immediate following draw
or a few after...check these skips for 18 after 2 skips as an example or 48 after 3 skips...

With bonus-----------------------------------Without bonus
Num/0skip/1skip/2skips/3skips--Num/0skip/1skip/2skips/3skips
01=49-38-31-36---------------------------01=33-31-21-27
02=37-34-21-25---------------------------02=27-33-18-22
03=48-32-36-32---------------------------03=35-24-24-19
04=39-35-36-19---------------------------04=30-25-33-15
05=42-47-35-28---------------------------05=32-29-25-22
06=42-31-26-21---------------------------06=33-26-23-14
07=53-33-39-34---------------------------07=38-29-32-29
08=48-29-27-24---------------------------08=37-22-21-20
09=41-38-32-28---------------------------09=32-30-24-23
10=39-32-31-29---------------------------10=30-23-26-20
11=38-33-23-34---------------------------11=26-25-12-27
12=42-32-26-34---------------------------12=26-25-23-29
13=45-40-26-18---------------------------13=31-24-24-11
14=40-43-25-29---------------------------14=31-38-18-22
15=28-23-28-22---------------------------15=25-21-22-19
16=44-29-35-27---------------------------16=29-25-25-22
17=35-29-34-24---------------------------17=29-22-24-22
18=47-35-40-27---------------------------18=25-27-32-20
19=34-34-32-23---------------------------19=25-29-29-15
20=42-37-31-32---------------------------20=26-30-25-23
21=29-43-39-30---------------------------21=21-31-28-25
22=35-33-31-24---------------------------22=22-30-22-21
23=45-33-32-24---------------------------23=32-20-27-17
24=28-39-23-19---------------------------24=21-26-21-14
25=38-27-43-22---------------------------25=28-19-30-15
26=43-35-39-26---------------------------26=32-27-34-23
27=52-41-31-43---------------------------27=39-26-27-37
28=39-35-25-24---------------------------28=29-23-20-21
29=47-27-29-32---------------------------29=33-22-20-28
30=37-38-33-34---------------------------30=27-25-25-28
31=62-40-29-35---------------------------31=53-29-23-32
32=42-32-38-32---------------------------32=35-29-32-23
33=42-34-27-30---------------------------33=31-21-19-17
34=60-49-31-23---------------------------34=45-43-22-23
35=34-34-29-21---------------------------35=23-28-21-18
36=50-33-33-28---------------------------36=39-23-24-20
37=46-34-42-20---------------------------37=34-25-26-16
38=43-41-33-24---------------------------38=34-33-28-21
39=40-37-39-34---------------------------39=28-26-26-25
40=41-39-37-32---------------------------40=32-34-32-23
41=40-37-36-28---------------------------41=27-26-27-23
42=49-39-27-32---------------------------42=38-28-17-25
43=54-38-36-31---------------------------43=44-28-28-25
44=40-48-35-17---------------------------44=32-39-28-16
45=47-45-31-29---------------------------45=35-36-25-24
46=40-50-28-28---------------------------46=31-35-22-28
47=53-54-48-28---------------------------47=45-38-37-22
48=31-28-25-16---------------------------48=25-20-16-16-30
49=63-32-26-29---------------------------49=43-31-22-18

 

[Snides]

heh, i dunno, but what's weird is that all of those numbers are in the second draw, with the exception of 41 which is also in that draw, but did actually repeat..

I just threw this code in now to do the actual counting, uhm, ya, i use a last count (skip) of 1 to say that it came from the last draw, not 0 like some of you do, so the code that is counting is in between where the count goes up by 1 and before the winning numbers get reset to 0, which would explain those numbers

 

[Beaker]

without the bonus my data is the same as GillesD with the exceptions of;

8 he gets 37 i get 38
33 he gets 31 i get 32
36 he gets 39 i get 40
37 he gets 34 i get 35
39 he gets 28 i get 29

draw 2 - you did the same thing I did

 

[Snides]

Snides did you get your data from BCLC?
How do you count the first draw in terms of Skip?? Skip 0 or else?
I have the same data as Gilles all the way...

Well, actually I believe it was GillesD a long long time ago that supplied me with my first database (excel) file when I was requesting information about where I could get one. Since then I have updated it manually and double checked it myself. Occassionally verifying data against olgc stat's and in messages like this where we all compare