# LottoStatisticsXL

#### Irvin

##### Member
Hello Frank / Nick,

Thanks for the hint on "categories" Nick.

I might try it with a setting of 45 or even 35.

Nick with what Frank said earlier about probably needing more trials for a lower number of BPS ie..10000 trials for 9 numbers where as I am using 1000 for 16 to get a more constant BPS Is there a ratio / relation between the 2.

9 numbers = 10000 trials
10 numbers = 5000
11 numbers = 3500 etc

Frank, I think the trial thread is a good idea.

Then we can all try different settings to see which one creates the BPS.

Suggest we ignore the last 2 to 5 results and create the BPS and see how they compare to the last 2 to 5 draws.

Suggest we limit the BPS to 12 numbers?

Are we going to set the categories the same? If so how about 45 or 35 or both.

Regards,

Irvin

I'll get back to you with some results

#### hot4

##### Member
Well 12 numbers seems good Irvin.

And we have to check hits, knowing odds; it would be good if 12 numbers hit 3 or 4 numbers better than expected.

Expected 3= 1 in 3,18
Expected 4= 1 in 42,42

Of course if 5 numbers hit, that will be very good.

So let's say I met this BPS of 12 numbers:

A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,J,K,L,M in 100 draws, Trials= 1000, Categories= '23, Best Observed= 5-40-30-25-0-0-0, Times Better than Average=1,5.

Then we can compare hits with all these characteristics.

If you agree post your BPS.

Frank

#### Geenie

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My first run:

start time: 10:25am
finish: 10:36am

start- 2050
Dur - 100
Set - 20
Cat - 23
Trials - 4000

BPS - 5 8 11 12 14 15 21 24 26 27 29 30 32 33 34 45 46 47 48 47
Note: the 47 showed twice in this set?

Expected 2 - 26.3
Expected 3 - 31.5

#### Nick Koutras

##### Member
hot4 said:
Well 12 numbers seems good Irvin.

And we have to check hits, knowing odds; it would be good if 12 numbers hit 3 or 4 numbers better than expected.

Expected 3= 1 in 3,18
Expected 4= 1 in 42,42

Of course if 5 numbers hit, that will be very good.

So let's say I met this BPS of 12 numbers:

A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,J,K,L,M in 100 draws, Trials= 1000, Categories= '23, Best Observed= 5-40-30-25-0-0-0, Times Better than Average=1,5.

Then we can compare hits with all these characteristics.

If you agree post your BPS.

Frank

Hi,

12 numbers as the BPS is a very good and manageable number.

This discussion gives me the following idea:

Under the function "Group Analysis"
I will provide better statistics.
I will show:
A) All the pairs of that Group c/w their frequency.
B) Show all the triples of the Group
C) Show some info about the Complement of that Group
( Complement is the "other" numbers that do *not* belong to these.)

A BPS thread is an excellent idea as it is the Worst Performing Set.

I will provide such function.
This is the Red Car Strategy Frank.

Now if we could combine the two functions then we may reach
some very good conclusions.

This will give us better understanding

#### Nick Koutras

##### Member
Geenie said:
My first run:

start time: 10:25am
finish: 10:36am

start- 2050
Dur - 100
Set - 20
Cat - 23
Trials - 4000

BPS - 5 8 11 12 14 15 21 24 26 27 29 30 32 33 34 45 46 47 48 47
Note: the 47 showed twice in this set?

Expected 2 - 26.3
Expected 3 - 31.5

Hi Geenie,

I will show you something to use as follows:

There is a little known function in LottoStatisticsXL that is called Since Last Appeared:

This function indicates the correct location in the History that ALL the numbers have Hit n Times.

I understand that many people do not know how to use this to their advantage.

This function then at the bottom of the report will show the Draw ID that all the numbers have hit "at least" n times.

The point is for your Duration on the above test you shall use 106 instead of 100 since after 106 draws ALL the numbers have Hit 10 times minimum.

As of why the 47 shows twice I'll investigate and correct the problem,
but I thing this is because you did not copy the "Best So Far" row but the
running line of the computer

#### hot4

##### Member
Geenie,

47 apeared twice because that set of 19 numbers has more categories of 2_hits and 3_hits than others yet checked by the program. Of course, it will check others sets of 20 numbers and if one of them has more 2 and 3 hits last 100 draws, this one will substitute the 19 numbers set.

It's the way I understand this, I've met the same occurence.

Frank

#### hot4

##### Member
Nick Koutras said:
Hi,

12 numbers as the BPS is a very good and manageable number.

This discussion gives me the following idea:

Under the function "Group Analysis"
I will provide better statistics.
I will show:
A) All the pairs of that Group c/w their frequency.
B) Show all the triples of the Group
C) Show some info about the Complement of that Group
( Complement is the "other" numbers that do *not* belong to these.)

A BPS thread is an excellent idea as it is the Worst Performing Set.

I will provide such function.
This is the Red Car Strategy Frank.

Now if we could combine the two functions then we may reach
some very good conclusions.

This will give us better understanding

I see, Nick.

Just combining the more frequent with the less frequent! But we are not talking about simple numbers but "pairs" or "triplets" or quad_plets...

May be then we can wait 4 or 5 numbers to hit more than expected in a 12 numbers ...

Frank

#### hot4

##### Member
Regarding the Best Performing Set Thread, I think this format will be good (just copied and past from LottoStatisticsXL):

Start Draw Duration Set Size Categories Trials
2046 30 12 4 10000

Best Observed 4 8 5 4 9 0 0 005,7

Best So Far 6 10 13 16 18 27 29 33 34 36 38 47

You can see that this set hit Better Than Average 5,7 in past 30 draws and got 9 times 4 numbers, 4 times 3 numbers ... in the Best Observed line.

As the StartDraw has been 2046, its hits (if played) would be: 4,1,0,0. 4 numbers in the first draw! but only 5 hits in 4 draws! This set would be useful only in one draw and playing >= 4 numbers.

This way we can see with which set variable hits are more associated: Better than Average number? Duration? Categories? Amount of 4_hits in the past?

Using a similar configuration for draw 2051, I got this set of 12 numbers:

Start Draw Duration Set Size Categories Trials
2050 30 12 4 15000

Best Observed 2 12 6 1 9 0 0 005,7

Best So Far 4 6 11 15 19 32 35 41 45 46 47 48

Any correction/suggestion would be fine, so that test can begin next draw (Saturday).

Frank

#### Irvin

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Hi guys,

Just got my PC back into action. Its been sick lately like everything else in my house...TV....Washing machine.

TV was easy to fix....bought a new one.

Washing machine in pieces at the moment...found the fault...mechanical...bearings have crapped out....all the electrics okay.

On the PC side still not at optimum performance....hopefully sort tonight and then send my BPS.

#### Geenie

##### Member
THX for info hot4 and Nick!

I have to find time to comprehend all this.
I think a BPS thread is a great idea.

In the meantime if anyone wants me to run somthing - give me the settings and I'll post the results.

running almost 3Ghz's dual, 900mhz frontside bus and 1G memory

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just a comment

Hi Nick,

Is it possible to: display 'Times Better Than Average' even if the Stop has been pressed? At the moment it will show as <###> if the test has been prematurely terminated.

In each new version I disable Row & Column headers to better view the data on my small screen. This may not be a prob for all users but it'd be convenient.

File these under small niggles rather than problems,

Cheers

#### Irvin

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When ### is shown in a cell it usually indicates that the information in that cell is wider than the Cell width.

I am only guessing this but maybe Nicks programme only adjust the width of the column after it has completed the run so if you press the stop button it never reaches the column width part.

If you look at the average while running you will notice that it only shows a couple of digits but when it has finshed the number is a little different.

example;

While running it shows 5 when finished it shows 4.99 so the final result is 3 characters wider. And column width might only be 2 wide while it runs and 5 wide when finished result if stopped before finished ###.

THe answer is probably still there just need to widen column to read it.

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Precisely Irvin, hence my Q ...

Like I said it's not a problem, but at times I find it convenient to Stop short of the preset duration and then it would be nice to have the correct display without having to adjust things (call me lazy ).
It is most likely if I widen the column manually then it will show ok, haven't tried yet .

Cheers

#### Irvin

##### Member

I can relate to the Lazy bit

Or are you conserving all that energy for sudden spurts of activity.....Usual cat life.

I have 2 cats like that....Sleep 20 hours / day..

#### Irvin

##### Member
Nick,

I have noticed that with the "Times better than average" the lower scored test results seemed to do better.

Dont know if that helps or not.

Regards,

Irvin

#### Nick Koutras

##### Member
Re: just a comment

Hi Nick,

Is it possible to: display 'Times Better Than Average' even if the Stop has been pressed? At the moment it will show as <###> if the test has been prematurely terminated.

In each new version I disable Row & Column headers to better view the data on my small screen. This may not be a prob for all users but it'd be convenient.

File these under small niggles rather than problems,

Cheers

Too many questions!
I did not post for a day and I'm overwhelmed with questions.
I'll try to answer them slowly.

I'll revise the Stop button to adjust the Output screen
when a sudden execution takes place.

#### Nick Koutras

##### Member
Irvin said:
Nick,

I have noticed that with the "Times better than average" the lower scored test results seemed to do better.

Dont know if that helps or not.

Regards,

Irvin

An average score may do better.
The reason is that an average score
may have a better selection of numbers
since it selects from the hole distribution of Duration
and an extremely good score selects only from the frequent tail of the distribution.

This gives me an idea as follows:
Option:
Select a Best Performing Set that
satisfies "intervals" of Duration.
Like a "divide and conquer" algorithm.
This will work as follows.
Find the BPS for the last 20 draws +
BPS for 21-40 & 41-60 last draws.

Doing it this way we may have the oprtunity to select ALL the upcoming
numbers of the draw!

#### hot4

##### Member
Nick,

as you have many questions to answer, I'll put this one in the queue :

in the BPS button, what means 1000 or 2000 trials?

Does the program check only 1000 (2000) possible combinations of e.g. 12 numbers?

Thanks,

Frank

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keep up the good work ... or just keep up

Nick Koutras said:
Too many questions! ... <snip> ...
That's the kind of board this is, just take a quick look at the Winhunter section ... you ain't seen nothin' yet!!

#### Nick Koutras

##### Member
hot4 said:
Nick,

as you have many questions to answer, I'll put this one in the queue :

in the BPS button, what means 1000 or 2000 trials?

Does the program check only 1000 (2000) possible combinations of e.g. 12 numbers?

Thanks,

Frank

You can change that number to suite
your computer speed and time you have
available.

1000 is the default value I use
You can change it as rep your requirements.