Lotto Architect

[lottoarchitect]

It depends on what you have to offer; if it worths the money, then I'd be glad to pay for updates. Do you know the term 'development costs'? All these valuable tools provided have some cost to develop. For those who think that current lottery programs are mature, well they are not. There are many more things to see and this is what Lotto Architect is about really. In fact, I wouldn't buy any lotto program as I find all of them bad. This is why I made mine. To have under my fingerprints whatever is missing from all those programs. The result is Lotto Architect. So I'm sure you haven't seen anything from the program when you say "In my opinion is better to wait and see the version that really might work, and which includes a bit more stuff than the present one.." . Just a question here: what is missing???? I'm just curious because the program already has more than enough and has great features not met in any other program.

Still I don't understand why you have stuck with the updates. The question is really simple. There is a really good program that works pretty well right now and it gets improved all the time and in my humble opinion, possibly the best in the market at the moment and it will get even better soon. If it has features that worth the money, I'm sure you'll already have won enough with current versions to support the development.
BTW, winhunter is the only program I like and is the only one close to my ideas of what a lottery program should look like and do. I congrat Andrew for this nice program.

 

[tomtom]

It depends what you have to offer; if it worths the money, then I'd be glad to pay for updates. Do you know the term 'development costs'? All these valuable tools provided have some cost to develop. For those who think that current lottery programs are mature, well they are not. There are many more things to see and this is what Lotto Architect is about really. In fact, I wouldn't buy any lotto program as I find all of them bad. This is why I made mine. To have under my fingerprints whatever is missing from all those programs. The result is Lotto Architect. So I'm sure you haven't seen anything from the program when you say "In my opinion is better to wait and see the version that really might work, and which includes a bit more stuff than the present one.." . Just a question here: what is missing???? I'm just curious because the program already has more than enough and has great features not met in any other program.

Still I don't understand why you have stuck with the updates. The question is really simple. There is a really good program that works pretty well right now and it gets improved all the time and in my humble opinion, possibly the best in the market at the moment and it will get even better soon. If it has features that worth the money, I'm sure you'll already have won enough with current versions to support the development.

Well, you said there is a tons of features you plan to make available that might program make pretty interesting...that's at your web site, but you don't know when it will be..however, the players pay for this version with one update...so if somebody have some real exces of money, and find the present version interesting, well, why not..however, in my opinion is better to wait for the version that will include all features and buy it then, if it is among the best in that time...paying all the time for the same thing is not that popular...

 

[lottoarchitect]

Paying for the same thing ? Right, I give up.
Have an in-depth look at the program first and then decide. I already know what you'll say as several people have commented so far.

 

[trilby]

Well I have had a bit more time to look at the features of this program, and it certainly has got some depth about it, but it certainly appears to need some time alone with it to explore all its nooks and crannies. And it is at last, a program without a whole lot of pretty pictures presentation of colourful bars and histograms which look good but I have always wondered how they help one win the lottery. So in the place of all of that sort of glitz appears to be some reall processing and analytical horsepower. For example backtesting of any prediction strategies, and what I might describe as a very susbstantial array of rejection filters coupled with several algorithms, all of which I see can also be back tested for accuracy of elimination. And probably a few hundred wheels. So not a bad sort of an effort IMO if this is just the start. Having now bought the product I shall of course look forward to the next release when ever it comes as there appears to be a pretty good development schedule on offer.

I thank the previous contributors to this thread and particularly the Lotto Architect man for his contribution. I just wonder if the others who have contributed seem more anxious about getting some future releases for free than actually thinking about what this program appears to offer. As the Help file says looks like a pretty good tool to help one manage their lotto interests.

You don't know what you don't know, so there is a need to do your own research.

trilby

 

[tomtom]

Well You don't know what you don't know, so there is a need to do your own research.

trilby

What I know is that you have only the two posts here at this forum, and both are about the same thing. That's pretty unusual...

How about posting something different, some new strategy, filter or such?

 

[trilby]

tomtom,

Certainly am new here and I don't have any new strategies of my own. I would use one as developed from within that program. I shall enter a lottery draw next Wednesday night (its a 6 from 40 lottery) and post my approach as used in the program if you like and do this before the draw. I beleive I shall have worked something out by then, and it will be a product of my research. But it would appear to be not much more than choosing some number sets applying them to wheels and then removing undesirable number sets via the filters. It 's just that what I see it offering looks like it suits my style. I am a previous user of Sorcerer, Buster, Whiz and Pro, and I have not heard of Winhunter until I came to these pages. But those I mentioned I shall not make any comments about other than I found them unrewarding. I hope my experience with Architect is different. It certainly offers heaps more in challenge to structure some sort of play than those others do.

regards

trilby

 

[ExpertLotto]

btw, what programming language is lottoarchitect written in? if it's not a big secret...
(expert lotto is a java application)

no offence, but the user interface seems a bit clumsy at some places...

pls, i don't want to start a new who's the best discussion war . (although it must be great fun to read for other members )
i'm not commenting the actual functionality. being a software developer myself, i'm just wondering what you used to implement your software in :

 

[tomtom]

tomtom,

Certainly am new here and I don't have any new strategies of my own. I would use one as developed from within that program. I shall enter a lottery draw next Wednesday night (its a 6 from 40 lottery) and post my approach as used in the program if you like and do this before the draw. I beleive I shall have worked something out by then, and it will be a product of my research. But it would appear to be not much more than choosing some number sets applying them to wheels and then removing undesirable number sets via the filters. It 's just that what I see it offering looks like it suits my style. I am a previous user of Sorcerer, Buster, Whiz and Pro, and I have not heard of Winhunter until I came to these pages. But those I mentioned I shall not make any comments about other than I found them unrewarding. I hope my experience with Architect is different. It certainly offers heaps more in challenge to structure some sort of play than those others do.

regards

trilby

Well, wish you luck with it, and since I also have a bit experience regarding various lottery software, would recommend the Win Hunter, which seems to be an OK and, thanx to the author, free program regarding predictions. Personally, I don’t believe that much in any software predictions, but it seems that some players here have had some success while using it.

Also, in my opinion the really good is this new Expert Lotto. Those guys may make very soon something that many have tried to make unsuccessfully so far. If you check about the minimizer feature, you might easily conclude what's about. Also, check the present filters, and those filters at their contemporary list to do, which means they might be available very soon...

At the end, here at the bottom of the page is also a link to some free software, and you might find something interesting there,too

Whatever you choose or have chosen, wish you good luck with it...

 

[lottoarchitect]

btw, what programming language is lottoarchitect written in? if it's not a big secret...
(expert lotto is a java application)

no offence, but the user interface seems a bit clumsy at some places...

pls, i don't want to start a new who's the best discussion war . (although it must be great fun to read for other members )
i'm not commenting the actual functionality. being a software developer myself, i'm just wondering what you used to implement your software in :

Lotto Architect is written in delphi. As you can understand, the power of the program is not the graphics at the moment. The strength of the program is the underlying engine and the features included. The graphics can be improved and I work on that too. However, my first aim is to offer something that works and offers great features rather to offer a system with beautiful graphics and do nothing really. What is the point of a good looking chart for example if you cannot use it effectively? NONE. Furthermore, using java for an intensive calculation system is not suggested as you know... unless the system does not do any calculations at all and it is a display system only; then I can understand the need of very good graphics if there is nothing else to offer.
If you are a programmer, then you know that your target is to write efficient code. If your area is graphics then you understand that you'll provide better graphics and worse code. No matter, the point is to have a program that do the work and not to have nice graphics only. This comes in second place. To be honest at this point, almost all the systems I've checked so far that offer nice graphics, they do not have anything to offer. So it is obvious why they want to provide better graphics as this is the only thing they have to present. Sorry, I don't belong to this category and improving graphics is not that difficult as improving programming skills to make something useful. No offence intended, I speak generally.

 

[ExpertLotto]

thanx for the reply.

however, i must politely disagree that java is not suitable for extensive calculations. interpreted code can be faster in some case than native compiled code...
other reasons i picked java (over c++) are the platform independence, nice swing (widgets) library and also because i like it.

 

[lottoarchitect]

thanx for the reply.

however, i must politely disagree that java is not suitable for extensive calculations. interpreted code can be faster in some case than native compiled code...
other reasons i picked java (over c++) are the platform independence, nice swing (widgets) library and also because i like it.

I'll not continue this but it looks to me you don't know what you are talking about (and I try to be polite now). Interpreted java (the default for java) runs at the slowest possible speed because it evaluates each line of your object classes at the time of execution. Compiled java via the jvm produces native code with the restrictions applied to the whole java system (as it is platform independed). This strictly speaking means that even compiled java cannot run faster than delphi or c++ (native code). The only benefit of using java is the platform independence or use in websites (applets) for the same reason. However, language limitations (eg pointers) prohibit its use for several types of applications like computational intensive or memory management systems and as both apply to lottery programs, java is the worst language to use really. However, it does have nice swing objects and internet classes to use.

 

[ExpertLotto]

I'll not continue this but it looks to me you don't know what you are talking about (and I try to be polite now). Interpreted java (the default for java) runs at the slowest possible speed because it evaluates each line of your object classes at the time of execution. Compiled java via the jvm produces native code with the restrictions applied to the whole java system (as it is platform independed). This strictly speaking means that even compiled java cannot run faster than delphi or c++ (native code). The only benefit of using java is the platform independence or use in websites (applets) for the same reason. However, language limitations (eg pointers) prohibit its use for several types of applications like computational intensive or memory management systems and as both apply to lottery programs, java is the worst language to use really. However, it does have nice swing objects and internet classes to use.

i'll not continue this either
strange how many banks and telecom operators use java to handle all their (millions of) transactions... maybe they use the hotspot jvm

maybe the board admin should delete the last couple of posts from this thread as they have nothing to do with lotteries.

 

[thornc]

I didn't want to go in into your fight, but I must!

I must agree with lottoexpert on this one!

IMMO Java can have comparable performance to any native compiled language, even on "extensive" calculations!
The only performance penalty that Java might have is when the garbage collector kicks in, but even that can be very well optimized.
Long gone are the days were the Java virtual machine was painlessly slow!

In fact some time ago, I performed several tests that showed that Java is a perfectly capable programming language for computational intensive applications. In some of tests it even came ahead of C++! It all depends on the task!
And believe me when I tell that I have seen Java being used in places you wouldn't believe!
And the greatest advantage of Java is the protection that it grants the programmers.

I don't have that much experience with
Delphi, but I don't expect it to have considerable more performance than Java!

In any case, I still think Python is allot better than both of them!! (if gsobier reads this, he will probably replace Python with Ruby)

But if what any of you want is serious performance, than start looking at C(99) or better yet assembler!
(this last line was intended as tension breaker)

 

[ExpertLotto]

edited out my own post as it was off topic (not allowed to delete it )

 

[thornc]

Probably someone forgot to rename that when they decided to hide the pointers, are better call everything are reference!

Probably thisis a good read to know a bit more!

 

[lottoarchitect]

Oh dear, java uses pointers underneath. As a programmer, you cannot use pointers by the means of all other languages that offer them. Pointers are really powerful tools that allow flexibility not possible in Java or the system will struggle to manage. For those who know, do a dynamic array behaviour in java efficiently and we discuss the matter again. I'm programming in MC68000 & x86 assembly, c++, pascal, delphi, Java and basic, so I know in depth what are the benefits&drawbacks of each language. Now, we end the language discussion as it is totally off topic.

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

I'll add my 2 little cents here...Java...C++...Delphi....Who really care?? As long as the user is liking what he gets...
Both of your program are great when they can achieve that...
I am far from being an expert user of Lotto Expert and the same with Lotto Architect....But I like a few things that I have seen in both of them..
And I think that both of these programs might help a few folks down there...
Wasn't the reason for they were created in the first place..??That is to help others?
It is not you guys that should debate about this...Let the users do just that...
I will also take this oportunity to retrieve all my negatives comments toward LottoExpert ...
It has some interesting features...And neither me or any of you can be the judge on its overall value...
Again lets turn your ears on the users...
They'll tell you both....

 

[ExpertLotto]

And I think that both of these programs might help a few folks down there...
Wasn't the reason for they were created in the first place..??That is to help others?

thanx dennis, one small correction though. the expert lotto started some six years as an application to help *us* in the first place
but other people do find it useful (same as lotto architect i guess)

 

[trilby]

tomtom,

Just to get back on thread but I must admit a vigorous discussion above that went over my head - my best effort at programming was in dbase3 - from what I see in Architect is that everything appears to be repeatable and then refineable and that I can set the parameters for any action I include in the process. This is what I like about it which sort of lets me tune the processes to my way of thinking. The prediction process tells me what happened in the past, hopefully it will replicate for the future, but I don't have any other better method of selecting numbers other some rules I work by. LA lets me use my rules. There will always be some luck involved. And those selected or predicted numbers from whatever source is where it all starts.

trilby

 

[thornc]

Oh dear, java uses pointers underneath. As a programmer, you cannot use pointers by the means of all other languages that offer them.

No one said you could!

Pointers are really powerful tools that allow flexibility not possible in Java or the system will struggle to manage. For those who know, do a dynamic array behaviour in java efficiently and we discuss the matter again.

I think I know how powerful and what pointers can do. I think ArrayLists are more than enough for most uses!

I'm programming in MC68000 & x86 assembly, c++, pascal, delphi, Java and basic, so I know in depth what are the benefits&drawbacks of each language.

Congratulations, I am restricted to Sun SPARC, SGI, Alphas and x86 so I have to use ISO C and ISO C++, Java and these days I found Python. I already forgot most that I once knew about Fortran, Basic, Pascal, and assembler.
Unfortunately and cannot confidently say that I know In depth any language other than C(up to C99), but I think I now enough to select the right one for
a task! And these days multiplatform is a rule, most of us on the real world aren't stuck with Wintel!

Now, we end the language discussion as it is totally off topic.

You guys started it, and I have a bad habit of spelling out my opinions!

But like Dennis, says who care who uses what! As long as the end user is satisfied!