Discussion May 7 ,2003

[gsobier]

The 100 which is now 107...

Originally posted by Dennis Bassboss

Dennis:

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Here is your "report card" (so to speak)...
Note: ONLY ONE "0" digit allowed.

001. 04 08 15 29 31 35 122 0
002. 10 11 12 21 46 48 148 0 Pair "21 46" not found
003. 17 25 32 36 43 49 202 0
004. 01 05 16 19 22 28 091 0 Too Low! (last 3)
005. 03 24 30 38 40 49 184 0 Too Many "0"s!
006. 01 02 12 17 31 40 103 0
007. 02 03 05 08 21 32 071 0 Too Low!
008. 19 24 25 35 43 48 194 0
009. 02 04 16 29 30 46 127 0
010. 11 15 17 22 24 38 127 0
011. 08 10 24 28 30 36 136 0 Too Many "0"s!
012. 15 16 36 38 40 48 193 0
013. 03 22 25 31 32 46 159 0
014. 12 19 21 29 38 43 162 0
015. 01 05 11 29 48 49 143 0 Pair "11 29" not found
016. 02 04 10 35 38 49 138 0 Pair "10 35" not found
017. 08 28 35 40 43 46 200 0
018. 03 04 17 19 28 30 101 0
019. 05 12 15 22 30 36 120 0
020. 04 10 15 21 25 40 115 0 Too Many "0"s!
021. 03 11 16 31 43 48 152 0
022. 10 16 19 24 29 32 130 0
023. 01 30 31 32 35 38 167 0 Pair "01 30" not found
024. 12 16 21 25 28 49 151 0 Pair "28 49" not found
025. 01 03 21 22 29 36 112 0 Pair "03 21" not found
026. 02 11 19 28 32 40 132 0
027. 02 05 08 17 25 38 095 0
028. 01 10 15 32 43 46 147 0
029. 04 08 11 12 36 46 117 0 Pair "12 36" not found
030. 08 15 19 21 31 49 143 0
031. 02 22 24 31 36 48 163 0 Pair " 2 22" not found
032. 01 04 05 12 24 35 081 0 Too Low!
033. 05 10 17 29 30 31 122 0 Too Many "0"s!
034. 15 16 17 21 35 49 153 0
035. 08 17 28 29 32 48 162 0
036. 11 19 22 25 30 43 150 0
037. 12 22 29 35 40 49 187 0
038. 03 05 19 35 36 48 146 0
039. 01 03 10 25 38 46 123 0
040. 04 10 21 22 43 48 148 0 Pair "22 43" not found
041. 02 03 12 15 29 43 104 0
042. 05 15 25 28 31 46 150 0
043. 17 21 24 36 46 49 193 0
044. 04 11 16 31 36 38 136 0
045. 03 08 10 16 35 40 112 0 Too Many "0"s!
046. 02 08 19 30 46 48 153 0
047. 01 05 16 24 32 40 118 0
048. 11 21 28 29 30 35 154 0
049. 01 12 28 32 38 48 159 0
050. 02 10 11 24 28 43 118 0
051. 01 08 25 30 32 49 145 0 Pair "08 25" not found
052. 04 05 11 25 29 40 114 0
053. 22 32 35 38 46 49 222 0 Too High!
054. 04 16 17 19 22 40 118 0
055. 01 02 25 31 35 36 130 0 Pair "02 25" not found
056. 05 08 16 21 38 43 131 0
057. 03 04 28 31 32 48 146 0 Pair "04 28" not found
058. 01 11 15 17 19 32 095 0 Too Low! (last 3)
059. 08 10 12 22 30 49 131 0 Too Many "0"s!
060. 12 24 31 35 40 46 188 0
061. 01 05 17 40 43 46 152 0 Pair "17 40" not found
062. 02 15 28 30 36 49 160 0 Pair "02 15" not found
063. 12 16 17 25 32 48 150 0
064. 04 12 19 24 43 49 151 0 Pair "24 43" not found
065. 03 08 21 24 30 48 134 0 Pair "30 48" not found
066. 01 03 10 19 36 40 109 0 Too Many "0"s!
067. 10 22 28 31 35 38 164 0
068. 01 02 16 22 24 25 090 0
069. 03 11 15 16 17 46 108 0 Pair "17 46" not found
070. 08 22 30 36 40 43 179 0 Too Many "0"s!
071. 24 25 29 31 46 48 203 0
072. 03 10 11 12 32 36 104 0 Pair "12 32" not found
073. 02 05 10 21 22 49 109 0 Pair "22 49" not found
074. 03 04 08 11 28 38 092 0
075. 05 19 28 29 43 46 170 0
076. 01 04 17 21 32 40 115 0
077. 08 10 15 17 35 48 133 0 Pair "17 35" not found
078. 08 15 22 24 31 32 132 0
079. 02 03 16 17 25 35 098 0
080. 12 15 19 25 31 38 140 0
081. 01 02 16 30 31 46 126 0
082. 01 04 15 38 48 49 155 0 Pair "15 38" not found
083. 05 10 21 28 31 49 144 0
084. 01 15 22 24 28 43 133 0
085. 02 04 05 08 11 30 060 0 Too Low!
086. 02 16 25 29 36 46 154 0
087. 11 16 21 35 36 43 162 0
088. 12 15 30 31 40 48 176 0 Too Many "0"s!
089. 02 22 28 29 31 40 152 0 Pair "02 22" not found
090. 01 08 17 21 30 38 115 0
091. 02 19 21 22 30 35 129 0
092. 11 16 21 24 25 28 125 0
093. 03 04 05 10 12 28 062 0 Too Low!
094. 03 08 24 36 40 49 160 0
095. 05 08 11 19 29 32 104 0
096. 12 17 36 40 48 49 202 0 Pair "17 36" not found
097. 05 17 30 32 35 43 162 0
098. 08 10 16 29 31 46 140 0
099. 12 21 22 35 38 46 174 0
100. 03 11 25 35 40 49 163 0
101. 04 24 30 36 38 46 178 0 Pair "04 24" not found
102. 05 15 22 24 30 48 144 0 Pair "30 48" not found
103. 01 04 08 12 22 28 075 0 Too Low!
104. 02 19 24 30 43 49 167 0
105. 02 04 15 24 25 40 110 0
106. 03 11 17 31 36 43 141 0
107. 03 05 12 35 36 38 129 0 Pair "12 35" not found

 

[Beaker]

WOW

cool

Pair 'X' not found? what set of numbers are you looking at to produce that? do you use bonus numbers in your analysis?

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

I just put your numbers in order in that one....now look at the other one that has been filtered...and optimized...

 

[gsobier]

Beaker:

What was the WOW for?

Regards,
George

WOW

cool

 

[Beaker]

Beaker:

What was the WOW for?

Regards,
George

I always like to look at pictures of things I like that first output.

 

[gsobier]

Reminds me of someone I know... ...mostly "flat" and then a
"little bit" more farther down.

I always like to look at pictures of things I like that first output.

 

[gsobier]

Beaker:

The "not found" is history screaming at us... ...those pair didn't show up hardly ever or never in previous draws. The pair I look at is ONLY the ones which were actually side-by-side in prior results.

The bonus number, NEVER! There is enough headache without it!!

Regards,
George

WOW

cool

Pair 'X' not found? what set of numbers are you looking at to produce that? do you use bonus numbers in your analysis?

 

[Beaker]

I don't know George I've checked a few of those pairs and they have hit alot - 30+ times - although I include bonus numbers.
Hard to believe all of those hits are bonus related.

Dennis can verify for regular numbers only.

21-46 = 36 hits in all the history - bonus included
11-29 = 36
10-39 = 39

Ahhh, but I don't have side-by-side analysis - these are pairs which have not occurred side-by-side - got it

Could be good high delta candidates

That side-by-side pair history could be very valuable

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

This is where you can improve your thing here Georges...Lets take the 21-46 just to give an example...It has been seen last time in draw 1978 along with the 05-13-18-30-37....now we saw in the previous draw the 05-37-46 ....and that 21 is lurking for sure around here....so that 46 could repeat and that 21 could come up....got to look at these things...

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

I don't know George I've checked a few of those pairs and they have hit alot - 30+ times - although I include bonus numbers.
Hard to believe all of those hits are bonus related.

Dennis can verify for regular numbers only.

21-46 = 36 hits in all the history - bonus included
11-29 = 36
10-39 = 39

Ahhh, but I don't have side-by-side analysis - these are pairs which have not occurred side-by-side - got it

Could be good high delta candidates

That side-by-side pair history could be very valuable

21-46 = 27 hits in all the history - no bonus
11-29 = 30
10-39 = 32

 

[Beaker]

This is where you can improve your thing here Georges...Lets take the 21-46 just to give an example...It has been seen last time in draw 1978 along with the 05-13-18-30-37....now we saw in the previous draw the 05-37-46 ....and that 21 is lurking for sure around here....so that 46 could repeat and that 21 could come up....got to look at these things...

Yes, but combine that with the fact it has never occurred side-by-side and you have just eliminated 25 numbers

 

[gsobier]

Beaker:

Let me explain...

Given: 01 02 03 04 05 06

"01 and 02" are pairs I count, "01 and 03" etc. are not. "02 and 03" are and "02 and 04" etc. are not.
Is there something I'm missing here? Please let me know. If my stuff is wrong, I'd want to fix it ASAP.

Here is the "chunk" for 21. 21 and 46 happened only once in regular numbers so I reject it... ...it has to be atleast 3 prior counts before I will accept it.

21 22 20030312 025
21 23 20021009 024
21 24 20010616 020
21 25 20011027 023
21 26 20030416 019
21 27 20021102 018
21 28 19941112 011
21 29 20021120 010
21 30 20030104 014
21 31 20030405 011
21 32 19990821 014
21 33 20011124 011
21 34 20010905 008
21 35 20001011 004
21 36 19951216 003
21 37 19900908 002
21 38 19910817 003
21 39 20000809 004
21 40 19931027 002
21 41 19980912 003
21 42 20010523 005
21 43 20020824 002
21 44 19881019 001
21 46 19881012 001
21 47 19920805 002
21 48 19951209 002

I'm out for several hours helping a friend installing Windows/XP Pro... ...I'll be back but don't know when. I'll check posts when I'm there if I get a chance.

Regards,
George

I don't know George I've checked a few of those pairs and they have hit alot - 30+ times - although I include bonus numbers.
Hard to believe all of those hits are bonus related.

Dennis can verify for regular numbers only.

21-46 = 36 hits in all the history - bonus included
11-29 = 36
10-39 = 39

but I don't have side-by-side analysis

Could be good high delta candidates

 

[gsobier]

Yes, but combine that with the fact it has never occurred side-by-side and you have just eliminated 25 numbers

Beaker:

Oh, I know what you are getting at... ...I had to decide some things and it was mostly intended to help keep the number of tickets low enough to afford as an economy issue. Its a trade off, no doubt about it.

Regards,
George

 

[Beaker]

Beaker:

Let me explain...

Given: 01 02 03 04 05 06

"01 and 02" are pairs I count, "01 and 03" etc. are not. "02 and 03" are and "02 and 04" etc. are not.
Is there something I'm missing here? Please let me know. If my stuff is wrong, I'd want to fix it ASAP.

Here is the "chunk" for 21. 21 and 46 happened only once in regular numbers so I reject it... ...it has to be atleast 3 prior counts before I will accept it.

21 22 20030312 025
21 23 20021009 024
21 24 20010616 020
21 25 20011027 023
21 26 20030416 019
21 27 20021102 018
21 28 19941112 011
21 29 20021120 010
21 30 20030104 014
21 31 20030405 011
21 32 19990821 014
21 33 20011124 011
21 34 20010905 008
21 35 20001011 004
21 36 19951216 003
21 37 19900908 002
21 38 19910817 003
21 39 20000809 004
21 40 19931027 002
21 41 19980912 003
21 42 20010523 005
21 43 20020824 002
21 44 19881019 001
21 46 19881012 001
21 47 19920805 002
21 48 19951209 002

Regards,
George

Nothing wrong George what you are counting is what I would call "Delta Pairs" = the two numbers that make up a 'delta number' where 'delta number' is defined as n2-n1, n3-n2,n4-n3,n5-n4,n6-n5

So, to check my understanding in the last draw

5-12-31-35-37-46 the delta numbers are 7-19-4-2-9

and you track pairs 5-12/12-31/31-35/35-37/37-46

Normally in a draw, we see at least 1 delta over 15 and typically we see a delta 1 - a consecutive pair.

Looking at the "Pair not found" - the deltas are high. If we could anticipate one of those 'pair not found' pairs this could be very valuable.

 

[gsobier]

Beaker:

I'm glad that you agree... ...I'm just a "newbie" with this stuff. I'm off for now and will return... ...eventually.

Regards,
George

Nothing wrong George what you are counting is what I would call "Delta Pairs" = the two numbers that make up a 'delta number' where 'delta number' is defined as n2-n1, n3-n2,n4-n3,n5-n4,n6-n5

So, to check my understanding in the last draw

5-12-31-35-37-46 the delta numbers are 7-19-4-2-9

and you track pairs 5-12/12-31/31-35/35-37/37-46

Normally in a draw, we see at least 1 delta over 15 and typically we see a delta 1 - a consecutive pair.

Looking at the "Pair not found" - the deltas are high. If we could anticipate one of those 'pair not found' pairs this could be very valuable.

 

[Beaker]

Beaker:

I'm glad that you agree... ...I'm just a "newbie" with this stuff. I'm off for now and will return... ...eventually.

Regards,
George

I wouldn't consider you a newbie - looks like you have done quite a bit of interesting work

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

Yes, but combine that with the fact it has never occurred side-by-side and you have just eliminated 25 numbers

Very interesting...I'm going to check that if they have never hit side by side??? But side by side with what?? The other numbers forming possible pairs in the line like...
10 11 12 21 46 48 Pair "21 46" not found
10-11
10-12
10-48
11-12
11-48
12-48
and do you take these..like
10-21
10-46
11-21
11-46
12-21
12-46
21-48
46-48
21-46 history of hits no bonus involved
140--- 85-02-09--- 2- 5- 21- 24- 29- 46
148--- 85-04-06--- 8- 21- 27- 34- 41- 46
248--- 86-06-07--- 3- 16- 21- 41- 45- 46
289--- 86-10-29--- 13- 17- 21- 22- 24- 46
493--- 88-10-12--- 1- 7- 9- 21- 46- 47
535--- 89-03-08--- 13- 21- 30- 37- 43- 46
574--- 89-07-22--- 9- 15- 21- 34- 45- 46
580--- 89-08-12--- 3- 4- 13- 21- 22- 46
627--- 90-01-24--- 19- 21- 24- 29- 46- 48
635--- 90-02-21--- 13- 16- 21- 26- 35- 46
711--- 90-11-14--- 21- 26- 29- 31- 46- 47
718--- 90-12-08--- 1- 19- 21- 23- 24- 46
726--- 91-01-05--- 7- 9- 21- 25- 26- 46
798--- 91-09-14--- 5- 12- 21- 32- 46- 47
809--- 91-10-23--- 13- 21- 27- 46- 47- 48
926--- 92-12-05--- 3- 21- 23- 41- 43- 46
1168--- 95-04-01--- 18- 20- 21- 30- 34- 46
1175--- 95-04-26--- 3- 17- 19- 21- 27- 46
1205--- 95-08-09--- 3- 7- 17- 21- 32- 46
1213--- 95-09-06--- 7- 18- 21- 23- 32- 46
1218--- 95-09-23--- 3- 5- 21- 32- 43- 46
1548--- 98-11-21--- 2- 9- 21- 24- 35- 46
1745--- 00-10-11--- 5- 6- 21- 35- 38- 46
1853--- 01-10-24--- 4- 12- 21- 26- 43- 46
1862--- 01-11-24--- 2- 7- 21- 33- 39- 46
1940--- 02-08-24--- 2- 7- 21- 43- 44- 46
1978--- 03-01-04--- 5- 13- 21- 30- 37- 46

 

[peter]

Beaker:

Let me explain...

Given: 01 02 03 04 05 06

"01 and 02" are pairs I count, "01 and 03" etc. are not. "02 and 03" are and "02 and 04" etc. are not.
Is there something I'm missing here? Please let me know. If my stuff is wrong, I'd want to fix it ASAP.

For me George 1 and 2 are a
consecutive pair , but 1 and 3 1 and 4, etc, they are all part of the 1176 pairs.

 

[Beaker]

Dennis, we look at the occurrance of 21 or 46 in a line, which could include 21 and 46 together ex 1-2-16-21-46-49 but I have not considered "Delta Pairings"

The data would not be difficult to generate

 

[Beaker]

Beaker:

Let me explain...

Given: 01 02 03 04 05 06

"01 and 02" are pairs I count, "01 and 03" etc. are not. "02 and 03" are and "02 and 04" etc. are not.
Is there something I'm missing here? Please let me know. If my stuff is wrong, I'd want to fix it ASAP.

For me George 1 and 2 are a
consecutive pair , but 1 and 3 1 and 4, etc, they are all part of the 1176 pairs.

Peter, I would define a 'Consecutive Pair' a special type of 'Delta pair'

Consecutive pair = delta pair with delta number of 1

Certainly 21-46 are NOT consecutive numbers