Dennis Bassboss
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Yes I'll double that!Beaker said:I wouldn't consider you a newbie- looks like you have done quite a bit of interesting work
Discussion May 7 ,2003
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Dennis:
All I have done was tested the side-by-side. There is nothing to look further than that... ...if I did, heck, nothing would pass the test is what could happen. I don't want to go overboard with filtering, just enough to weed out some things which are not going to help you most of the time.
Besides pairs, what comments do you have on the report I posted from my (sort of primative) filtering process?
Regards,
George
All I have done was tested the side-by-side. There is nothing to look further than that... ...if I did, heck, nothing would pass the test is what could happen. I don't want to go overboard with filtering, just enough to weed out some things which are not going to help you most of the time.
Besides pairs, what comments do you have on the report I posted from my (sort of primative) filtering process?
Regards,
George
Dennis Bassboss said:
Dennis Bassboss
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Announcers ...Well the classical definition of it is that...I'll give an example...Lets take the 05 This number came up 293 times with bonus included and 248 times without bonus...now on the very following draws what numbers have come up the most often?
If you take a look you will find out that the 21 and the 27 both came up 56 times after the 05 came up in the preceding draw...you will also find that the 23 also came up only 30 times after the 05 in the preceding draw...Now this is for the whole history...And some numbers are having a defenite tendancy or a trend to follow the 05...Now if you start to cut down the history in pieces to the most recent you might find other values for these numbers and therefore other ranks for them...Having to deal with statistics and population and laws of probability here ...it is obvious that when we take the lets say last 5 or 10 draws...the numbers that have not appeared on the draws following the 05 will be mostly good candidates to show up ....Sometimes I choose my DNs from there but sometimes I go on with the top in the whole history...What determine that for me is the actual context in the draws...So what is hot is still hot and I take good note of that..But there is much more to explain here...Because I also do it with pairs and triples finding other values and sometimes very good DN numbers from these....
The next step that I have been working on lately is to find what pair of numbers are best announced for a draw...And for this I am treating pairs as if they were single numbers...This is a new approach that I have experimented with for the last 8 weeks....
I'm still working on it and there is still improvement to be done...But I have noticed already some good ways of tracking down some very cold pairs this way...
But the announcers theory is even much more than that.... We are also tracking down groups of numbers announcing low or high draws...some are announcing some LDs ....And many things that have not yet been spotted....
If you take a look you will find out that the 21 and the 27 both came up 56 times after the 05 came up in the preceding draw...you will also find that the 23 also came up only 30 times after the 05 in the preceding draw...Now this is for the whole history...And some numbers are having a defenite tendancy or a trend to follow the 05...Now if you start to cut down the history in pieces to the most recent you might find other values for these numbers and therefore other ranks for them...Having to deal with statistics and population and laws of probability here ...it is obvious that when we take the lets say last 5 or 10 draws...the numbers that have not appeared on the draws following the 05 will be mostly good candidates to show up ....Sometimes I choose my DNs from there but sometimes I go on with the top in the whole history...What determine that for me is the actual context in the draws...So what is hot is still hot and I take good note of that..But there is much more to explain here...Because I also do it with pairs and triples finding other values and sometimes very good DN numbers from these....
The next step that I have been working on lately is to find what pair of numbers are best announced for a draw...And for this I am treating pairs as if they were single numbers...This is a new approach that I have experimented with for the last 8 weeks....
I'm still working on it and there is still improvement to be done...But I have noticed already some good ways of tracking down some very cold pairs this way...
But the announcers theory is even much more than that.... We are also tracking down groups of numbers announcing low or high draws...some are announcing some LDs ....And many things that have not yet been spotted....
Dennis Bassboss
Member
Re: Announcers and DNs
I think that you open a can of worms with that delta pairing thing....I find it very interesting..and another new avenue to explore...I didn't look at that aspect before...gsobier said:A questions which I bet is a "can of worms" but I'll ask anyway... ...I see these being used in discussion and the glossary does not explain well enough.
What determines an Announcer and how do you guys decide on a DN?
Regards,
George
Re: Re: Announcers and DNs
Dennis:
I have used delta pairing for the last 2 draws. The last draw had a high delta pairing count for all numbers. I'm not sure about the other one.
I've got other ideas which are being explored right now (programs are still running).
Like you and Beaker have eluded to in discussion, there are many ways to find clues figuring out the most likely set of numbers which would show up in your lap.
Regards,
George
Dennis:
I have used delta pairing for the last 2 draws
. The last draw had a high delta pairing count for all numbers. I'm not sure about the other one.I've got other ideas which are being explored right now (programs are still running).
Like you and Beaker have eluded to in discussion, there are many ways to find clues figuring out the most likely set of numbers which would show up in your lap
.Regards,
George
Dennis Bassboss said:I think that you open a can of worms with that delta pairing thing....I find it very interesting..and another new avenue to explore...I didn't look at that aspect before...
Dennis:
This looks like a program or programs I could write which would produce reports. Is there anything here which has not been programmed which I could/should exploit/investigate deeper such as LDs?
Regards,
George
This looks like a program or programs I could write which would produce reports
. Is there anything here which has not been programmed which I could/should exploit/investigate deeper such as LDs?Regards,
George
Dennis Bassboss said:Announcers ...Well the classical definition of it is that...I'll give an example...Lets take the 05 This number came up 293 times with bonus included and 248 times without bonus...now on the very following draws what numbers have come up the most often?
If you take a look you will find out that the 21 and the 27 both came up 56 times after the 05 came up in the preceding draw...you will also find that the 23 also came up only 30 times after the 05 in the preceding draw...Now this is for the whole history...And some numbers are having a defenite tendancy or a trend to follow the 05...Now if you start to cut down the history in pieces to the most recent you might find other values for these numbers and therefore other ranks for them...Having to deal with statistics and population and laws of probability here ...it is obvious that when we take the lets say last 5 or 10 draws...the numbers that have not appeared on the draws following the 05 will be mostly good candidates to show up ....Sometimes I choose my DNs from there but sometimes I go on with the top in the whole history...What determine that for me is the actual context in the draws...So what is hot is still hot and I take good note of that..But there is much more to explain here...Because I also do it with pairs and triples finding other values and sometimes very good DN numbers from these....
The next step that I have been working on lately is to find what pair of numbers are best announced for a draw...And for this I am treating pairs as if they were single numbers...This is a new approach that I have experimented with for the last 8 weeks....
I'm still working on it and there is still improvement to be done...But I have noticed already some good ways of tracking down some very cold pairs this way...
But the announcers theory is even much more than that.... We are also tracking down groups of numbers announcing low or high draws...some are announcing some LDs ....And many things that have not yet been spotted....
Dennis Bassboss
Member
Got to go to work now ...I'll be back later...
Beaker
Member
Re: Announcers and DNs
DN candidates for me come generally from 3 things.
1) a number from the last draw - the best repeater
2) some number which based on all the data I have pops out as good - hot number/trendline/announcer history
3) some condition which is occurring which can be exploited. Example: 3peats, 4peats or an open pair number (see the glossary) Beaker's Law.
Dennis has covered the announcers all I would add is that certain combinations of numbers will 'announce' certain conditions. For example, Dennis has discovered that the number 15 and the 2 will announce high draws - sets starting in the teens or higher. If you combine this with seeing the number 1 you have a 'condition' which alerts you to high draws. So, 15-2-1 alerts us to high draws - usually within 3 or 4 draws. Certain numbers or combination of numbers will trigger conditions to watch for. There are many of these and many yet undiscovered.gsobier said:A questions which I bet is a "can of worms" but I'll ask anyway... ...I see these being used in discussion and the glossary does not explain well enough.
What determines an Announcer and how do you guys decide on a DN?
Regards,
George
DN candidates for me come generally from 3 things.
1) a number from the last draw - the best repeater
2) some number which based on all the data I have pops out as good - hot number/trendline/announcer history
3) some condition which is occurring which can be exploited. Example: 3peats, 4peats or an open pair number (see the glossary) Beaker's Law.
4-2 Split
I have noticed this... ...the top 30 numbers produce a 4 and 2 split
most of the time (642). 4 numbers from the first 30 and 19 numbers
would be the winners according to the majority (if it happens this time
like that)... ...last draw was 5 and 1, then one before that was 4 and 2.
The 3 and 3 split scares me the most.
These are the counts...
0-6: 0003
1-5: 0036
2-4: 0201
3-3: 0480
4-2: 0642 <----
5-1: 0439
6-0: 0110
The top 30 numbers:
29 03 25 11 19 43 17
21 01 05 35 49 15 31
24 04 16 36 48 22 12
32 02 08 38 46 28 40
30 10
The the rest of them:
45 23 07 37 39 33 27
47 13 09 41 18 44 14
34 42 06 26 20
Looking at what Dennis and Ben has pedicted, it would make sense to use
4 numbers and then 2 numbers from those predictions. It could reduce
error if you guys had all 6 numbers in your set of favorite numbers.
Does this make sense?
Ben:
01 02 08 11 15 22 25 49 (in first 30)
13 23 27 33 39 41 45 (in the 19 others)
Dennis:
01 10 21 25 31 49 (in first 30)
14 18 27 34 (in the 19 others)
Regards,
George
I have noticed this... ...the top 30 numbers produce a 4 and 2 split
most of the time (642). 4 numbers from the first 30 and 19 numbers
would be the winners according to the majority (if it happens this time
like that)... ...last draw was 5 and 1, then one before that was 4 and 2.
The 3 and 3 split scares me the most.
These are the counts...
0-6: 0003
1-5: 0036
2-4: 0201
3-3: 0480
4-2: 0642 <----
5-1: 0439
6-0: 0110
The top 30 numbers:
29 03 25 11 19 43 17
21 01 05 35 49 15 31
24 04 16 36 48 22 12
32 02 08 38 46 28 40
30 10
The the rest of them:
45 23 07 37 39 33 27
47 13 09 41 18 44 14
34 42 06 26 20
Looking at what Dennis and Ben has pedicted, it would make sense to use
4 numbers and then 2 numbers from those predictions. It could reduce
error if you guys had all 6 numbers in your set of favorite numbers.
Does this make sense?
Ben:
01 02 08 11 15 22 25 49 (in first 30)
13 23 27 33 39 41 45 (in the 19 others)
Dennis:
01 10 21 25 31 49 (in first 30)
14 18 27 34 (in the 19 others)
Regards,
George
Beaker
Member
That 4-2 split makes sense
If you look at 7 numbers, which I do, the expected hits from 30 numbers is 30/7=4.28 and 19 is 19/7= 2.7
A strategy I would consider if I was playing this would be to eliminate any number which has not been draw in 20 draws.
Then pick 1/2(or60%)from the top 30 and the other 1/2(or 40%) from the bottom 19 - or whatever the total is.
You might want to do some regression testing to see how you would do.
I don't think lumping all the numbers in one set is the way to go. If you do that, you are taking out the potential for 3 numbers. If you take the bonus out you are only playing for a 3 number hit in the set of 30 - no good. At $100 a play you need 2 4-number hits to get your $$ back.
I would start playing some of those numbers form that other set.
If you look at 7 numbers, which I do, the expected hits from 30 numbers is 30/7=4.28 and 19 is 19/7= 2.7
A strategy I would consider if I was playing this would be to eliminate any number which has not been draw in 20 draws.
Then pick 1/2(or60%)from the top 30 and the other 1/2(or 40%) from the bottom 19 - or whatever the total is.
You might want to do some regression testing to see how you would do.
I don't think lumping all the numbers in one set is the way to go
. If you do that, you are taking out the potential for 3 numbers. If you take the bonus out you are only playing for a 3 number hit in the set of 30 - no good. At $100 a play you need 2 4-number hits to get your $$ back. I would start playing some of those numbers form that other set.
Beaker:
Regression testing is how I am got to prove/disprove this theory. Different variations of the same concept need to explored. I won't use things until I see proof. Getting closer and closer.
Regards,
George
Regression testing is how I am got to prove/disprove this theory. Different variations of the same concept need to explored. I won't use things until I see proof. Getting closer and closer
.Regards,
George
Beaker said:That 4-2 split makes sense
If you look at 7 numbers, which I do, the expected hits from 30 numbers is 30/7=4.28 and 19 is 19/7= 2.7
A strategy I would consider if I was playing this would be to eliminate any number which has not been draw in 20 draws.
Then pick 1/2(or60%)from the top 30 and the other 1/2(or 40%) from the bottom 19 - or whatever the total is.
You might want to do some regression testing to see how you would do.
I don't think lumping all the numbers in one set is the way to go
I would start playing some of those numbers form that other set.
Beaker:
Then there are other things like LDs and DNs... ...yikes, good thing I'm a programmer!
Regards,
George
Then there are other things like LDs and DNs... ...yikes, good thing I'm a programmer!
Regards,
George
gsobier said:Beaker:
Regression testing is how I am got to prove/disprove this theory. Different variations of the same concept need to explored. I won't use things until I see proof. Getting closer and closer
Regards,
George
Re: Re: 4-2 Split
Beaker:
Yes, I see that... ...very important to keep integrity of the boundaries. The more you can isolate and put numbers in to buckets, the better. Look at Lin's stuff.
Regards,
George
PS: The amount you guys have won is a product of your work on this... ...look at Ben, he won last month, almost nailed the Jackpot. My hat is off to you again Ben!
Beaker:
Yes, I see that... ...very important to keep integrity of the boundaries. The more you can isolate and put numbers in to buckets, the better. Look at Lin's stuff.
Regards,
George
PS: The amount you guys have won is a product of your work on this... ...look at Ben, he won last month, almost nailed the Jackpot. My hat is off to you again Ben
!Beaker said:That's why they win
30/49x10 = 6 numbers
19/49x10 = 4 numbers
Wait til you see mine
Beaker
Member
Re: Re: Re: 4-2 Split
Ben is a hot hitter lately - I believe he focuses mainly on adjacent numbers. I like adjacent numbers because they move along trendlines. And a very nice wheel - 18 numbers in 31 tickets and he hit the 5
PS. notice my picks? 1 DN from 30 and the other from the 19.
15 total numbers = 9 from the 30, 6 from the 19 - beautiful distribution
Stay tuned George, it's going to heat up in here
Yes, Lin is focusing on positional work. Unfortunately, the site is in Chinese but the positional posts are always good to look at.gsobier said:Beaker:
Yes, I see that... ...very important to keep integrity of the boundaries. The more you can isolate and put numbers in to buckets, the better. Look at Lin's stuff.
Regards,
George
PS: The amount you guys have won is a product of your work on this... ...look at Ben, he won last month, almost nailed the Jackpot. My hat is off to you again Ben
Ben is a hot hitter lately
- I believe he focuses mainly on adjacent numbers. I like adjacent numbers because they move along trendlines. And a very nice wheel - 18 numbers in 31 tickets and he hit the 5 PS. notice my picks? 1 DN from 30 and the other from the 19.
15 total numbers = 9 from the 30, 6 from the 19 - beautiful distribution
Stay tuned George, it's going to heat up in here
Re: Re: Re: Re: 4-2 Split
Beaker:
The hotter, the better... ...Mother's Day is coming so a nice surprise would be nice!
Regards,
George
Beaker:
The hotter, the better... ...Mother's Day is coming so a nice surprise would be nice
!Regards,
George
Beaker said:Yes, Lin is focusing on positional work. Unfortunately, the site is in Chinese but the positional posts are always good to look at.
Ben is a hot hitter lately
PS. notice my picks? 1 DN from 30 and the other from the 19.
15 total numbers = 9 from the 30, 6 from the 19 - beautiful distribution
Stay tuned George, it's going to heat up in here
Just thought I would bring this forwardpeter said:Last digit chart for draws ending in 3 says :
HOT 1,43,46,34,20,30,23,33,25,49,41,35,29.
COLD 37,6,13,15,2,4,12,16.
Some of these, and some announcers from Dennis, will make up the winning numbers.
Hot cold chart captured 4 numbers.