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Thank you for the correction Shirazbaishirazbai said:
Brad
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As the world turns ... so does my stomach
... so the Bush family fortune was made how?
Now lemme see, granddad linked to Hitler, dad linked to Bin Ladens ... dare we link up sonny GWB?? Nah ... I gotta stop reading so much, all this crap makes me dizzy
I still think GWD slings faeces ... and that's my personal opinion ... so there
Hehehe ... maybe someone should google grandpa Prescott Bush and see who he was in bed with. I heard (and it wasn't from a friend of a friend) that he was Hitler's bankershirazbai said:
... so the Bush family fortune was made how?Now lemme see, granddad linked to Hitler, dad linked to Bin Ladens ... dare we link up sonny GWB?? Nah ... I gotta stop reading so much, all this crap makes me dizzy
I still think GWD slings faeces ... and that's my personal opinion ... so there
Godload wrote:
Example: A Canadian makes $50,000/year and gets to keep $25,000 after paying federal, provincial, and municipal taxes. An American making $50,000/year gets to keep $36,000 after paying all their taxes. That is $11,000 difference. Do you spend $11,000/year on healthcare every year?
Btw, if you can't afford healthcare in the US, you are declared medically indigent and you receive your healthcare for free. No one is thrown out on the street to die.
The quality of Canada's healthcare is poor. 27 free nations have universal health care and all of them spend less money than Canada and provide better health care to their citizens in terms of health outcomes and timely availability of services. Only Canada outlaws a parallel private health care system. Again, Canada is the only nation that OUTLAWS private alternatives. Remember that guy from Ontario who wanted to go to a private clinic to be healed; the govt refused to allow him to do so, so he will likely die.
The World Health Organisation (WHO) ranked Canada's Health care system 30th best in the world in terms of efficiency in delivering health care to its citizens.
The best research available to date reports that Canada, while SPENDING MORE on health care than any other universal-access, industrialized country in the OECD, ranks 14th in the percentage of total life expectancy that will be lived disability-free, ranks 16th in infant mortality and 12th in perinatal mortality, ranks 8th in mortality amenable to health care, ranks 9th in potential years of life lost due to disease, and ranks 6th in the incidence of breast cancer mortality.
Canada ranks first in only one of 7 health care outcome categories and does not rank first in any of access to care, supply of technologies, or supply of physicians.
In a recent survey conducted by Harvard University for the Commonwealth Fund, Canadian respondents were more likely than any other universal-access country in the world to wait more than one month for non-emergency surgery. Some have to wait many months, and many have to wait years. Some give up entirely.
US Hospitals and doctor's offices that are just over the Canadian border get about half their business from Canadians. You don't see Americans coming up to Canada to be healed.
I know that Canadians like to take pride in their healthcare system being the best, but unfortunately, this is simply not so.
But Canada's healthcare is not free. It is paid through taxation. Canada had an election this year on June 28, which ironically, was Canada's Tax Freedom Day for 2004. The USA's Tax Freedom Day in 2004 was April 11.
Example: A Canadian makes $50,000/year and gets to keep $25,000 after paying federal, provincial, and municipal taxes. An American making $50,000/year gets to keep $36,000 after paying all their taxes. That is $11,000 difference. Do you spend $11,000/year on healthcare every year?
Btw, if you can't afford healthcare in the US, you are declared medically indigent and you receive your healthcare for free. No one is thrown out on the street to die.
The quality of Canada's healthcare is poor. 27 free nations have universal health care and all of them spend less money than Canada and provide better health care to their citizens in terms of health outcomes and timely availability of services. Only Canada outlaws a parallel private health care system. Again, Canada is the only nation that OUTLAWS private alternatives. Remember that guy from Ontario who wanted to go to a private clinic to be healed; the govt refused to allow him to do so, so he will likely die.
The World Health Organisation (WHO) ranked Canada's Health care system 30th best in the world in terms of efficiency in delivering health care to its citizens.
The best research available to date reports that Canada, while SPENDING MORE on health care than any other universal-access, industrialized country in the OECD, ranks 14th in the percentage of total life expectancy that will be lived disability-free, ranks 16th in infant mortality and 12th in perinatal mortality, ranks 8th in mortality amenable to health care, ranks 9th in potential years of life lost due to disease, and ranks 6th in the incidence of breast cancer mortality.
Canada ranks first in only one of 7 health care outcome categories and does not rank first in any of access to care, supply of technologies, or supply of physicians.
In a recent survey conducted by Harvard University for the Commonwealth Fund, Canadian respondents were more likely than any other universal-access country in the world to wait more than one month for non-emergency surgery. Some have to wait many months, and many have to wait years. Some give up entirely.
I have an aunt who lives in Saskatchewan. She got a phone call from the hospital, who announced that they were finally ready to operate on her father. Too bad her father had died 5 months earlier because he was unable to get into the hospital to be treated for his illness because of Canada's notoriously long waiting lists. Unfortunately the family wasn't wealthy enough to able to afford to go down to the USA to heal her father, like Canadians usually do. This creates a two-tier health system where only wealthy Canadians can afford to be healed, and they have to pay twice for it. Once to Canada with their high taxes, and then to the USA for private care. I think that every Canadian has had this happen to a family member, or knows someone who this has happened to.
US Hospitals and doctor's offices that are just over the Canadian border get about half their business from Canadians. You don't see Americans coming up to Canada to be healed.
I know that Canadians like to take pride in their healthcare system being the best, but unfortunately, this is simply not so.
Shirazbai wrote:
I have many many examples if you doubt this.
You must remember that the Left controls the education system. The Left has revised history to make fascism a far "rightwing" thingy. This is simply untrue. Libertarianism is far Right. The Left had to revise history, lest people realize how many innocents have been killed by leftist ideology. Their way of thinking was: "Well, everyone knows that Communism was responsible for a minimum of 100 million innocents killed in the 20th century, so we better rewrite history and put fascism on the right side of the political sphere."
Btw, thanks for pointing out that myth that President Bush mixed up fetal and feces. That was another lie spread by the left.
I noted you linked to Bushisms, but where is your link to Chretienisms? I know that Canadians used to cringe everytime Chretien opened his mouth and started talking - he was so embarrassing.
They were socialists; both Mussolini and Hitler. Look at their policies and beliefs and most importantly, their actions.
I have many many examples if you doubt this.
You must remember that the Left controls the education system. The Left has revised history to make fascism a far "rightwing" thingy. This is simply untrue. Libertarianism is far Right. The Left had to revise history, lest people realize how many innocents have been killed by leftist ideology. Their way of thinking was: "Well, everyone knows that Communism was responsible for a minimum of 100 million innocents killed in the 20th century, so we better rewrite history and put fascism on the right side of the political sphere."
Btw, thanks for pointing out that myth that President Bush mixed up fetal and feces. That was another lie spread by the left.
I noted you linked to Bushisms, but where is your link to Chretienisms? I know that Canadians used to cringe everytime Chretien opened his mouth and started talking - he was so embarrassing.
Brad wrote:
Prescott Bush had only a token role in the bank: Of the more than 4000 shares, Prescott Bush owned only one - urged on him by Harriman. Brown Brothers Harriman was founded by Averell Harriman, an icon of liberals in the US, and later FDR's ambassador to Moscow and Truman's commerce secretary, who initiated these investments (and some in Soviet Russia) - you never hear about this from the Bush haters.
The claim that "Bush's grandfather financed the Nazis" is typical liberal/left propaganda: take the most miniscule grain of truth, expand it by a factor of 1000, and then distort it beyond all recognition.
I have never understand what that has to do with George W Bush anyway. He wasn't even alive at that time.
Classic Red Herring.
Haha. Who did you hear that from? Prescott Bush had one share (out of more than 4000) in a German bank. He bought that one share at the behest of his boss, Brown Brothers Harriman.
Prescott Bush had only a token role in the bank: Of the more than 4000 shares, Prescott Bush owned only one - urged on him by Harriman. Brown Brothers Harriman was founded by Averell Harriman, an icon of liberals in the US, and later FDR's ambassador to Moscow and Truman's commerce secretary, who initiated these investments (and some in Soviet Russia) - you never hear about this from the Bush haters.
The claim that "Bush's grandfather financed the Nazis" is typical liberal/left propaganda: take the most miniscule grain of truth, expand it by a factor of 1000, and then distort it beyond all recognition.
I have never understand what that has to do with George W Bush anyway. He wasn't even alive at that time.
So what if the Bush family did business with the bin Laden family? That has nothing to do with Osama; he has been blacklisted from his family for ages.
Classic Red Herring.
Brad
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Bush admin and health care ...
This should keep Cleo busy for a while ... spin away
... the links prob won't work, they can be found easily if anyone really wants to read them
HEALTHCARE
... The Bush Administration, in violation of the law, refused to allow Medicare actuary Richard Foster to tell members of Congress the actual cost of their Medicare bill. Instead, they repeated a figure they knew was $100 billion too low.
Source: Washington Post, realcities.com
... The nonpartisan GAO concluded the Bush Administration created illegal, covert propaganda--in the form of fake news reports--to promote its industry-backed Medicare bill.
Source: General Accounting Office
... The Bush Administration stunted research that could lead to new treatments for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, diabetes, spinal injuries, heart disease and muscular dystrophy by placing severe restrictions on the use of federal dollars for embryonic stem-cell research.
Source: CBS News
... The Bush Administration reinstated the "global gag rule," which requires foreign NGOs to withhold information about legal abortion services or lose US funds for family planning.
Source: healthsciences.columbia.edu
... The Bush Administration authorized twenty companies that have been charged with fraud at the federal or state level to offer Medicare prescription drug cards to seniors.
Source: American Progress
... The Bush Administration created a prescription drug card for Medicare that locks seniors into one card for up to a year but allows the corporations offering the cards to change their prices once a week.
Source: Washington Post
... The Bush Administration blocked efforts to allow Medicare to negotiate cheaper prescription drug prices for seniors.
Source: American Progress
... At the behest of the french fry industry, the Bush Administration USDA changed their definition of fresh vegetables to include frozen french fries.
Source: commondreams.org
... In a case before the Supreme Court, the Bush Administrations sided with HMOs--arguing that patients shouldn't be allowed to sue HMOs when they are improperly denied treatment. With the Administration's help, the HMOs won.
Source: ABC News
... The Bush Administration went to court to block lawsuits by patients who were injured by defective prescription drugs and medical devices.
Source: Washington Post
... President Bush signed a Medicare law that allows companies that reduce healthcare benefits for retirees to receive substantial subsidies from the government.
Source: Bloomberg News
... Since President Bush took office, more than 5 million people have lost their health insurance.
Source: CNN.com
... The Bush Administration blocked a proposal to ban the use of arsenic-treated lumber in playground equipment, even though it conceded it posed a danger to children.
Source: Miami Herald
... One day after President Bush bragged about his efforts to help seniors afford healthcare, the Administration announced the largest dollar increase of Medicare premiums in history.
Source: iht.com
... The Bush Administration--at the behest of the tobacco industry--tried to water down a global treaty that aimed to help curb smoking.
Source: tobaccofreekids.org
... The Bush Administration has spent $270 million on abstinence-only education programs even though there is no scientific evidence demonstrating that they are effective in dissuading teenagers from having sex or reducing the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases.
Source: salon.com
... The Bush Administration slashed funding for programs that suggested ways, other than abstinence, to avoid sexually transmitted diseases.
Source: LA Weekly
This should keep Cleo busy for a while ... spin away
... the links prob won't work, they can be found easily if anyone really wants to read them
HEALTHCARE
... The Bush Administration, in violation of the law, refused to allow Medicare actuary Richard Foster to tell members of Congress the actual cost of their Medicare bill. Instead, they repeated a figure they knew was $100 billion too low.
Source: Washington Post, realcities.com
... The nonpartisan GAO concluded the Bush Administration created illegal, covert propaganda--in the form of fake news reports--to promote its industry-backed Medicare bill.
Source: General Accounting Office
... The Bush Administration stunted research that could lead to new treatments for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, diabetes, spinal injuries, heart disease and muscular dystrophy by placing severe restrictions on the use of federal dollars for embryonic stem-cell research.
Source: CBS News
... The Bush Administration reinstated the "global gag rule," which requires foreign NGOs to withhold information about legal abortion services or lose US funds for family planning.
Source: healthsciences.columbia.edu
... The Bush Administration authorized twenty companies that have been charged with fraud at the federal or state level to offer Medicare prescription drug cards to seniors.
Source: American Progress
... The Bush Administration created a prescription drug card for Medicare that locks seniors into one card for up to a year but allows the corporations offering the cards to change their prices once a week.
Source: Washington Post
... The Bush Administration blocked efforts to allow Medicare to negotiate cheaper prescription drug prices for seniors.
Source: American Progress
... At the behest of the french fry industry, the Bush Administration USDA changed their definition of fresh vegetables to include frozen french fries.
Source: commondreams.org
... In a case before the Supreme Court, the Bush Administrations sided with HMOs--arguing that patients shouldn't be allowed to sue HMOs when they are improperly denied treatment. With the Administration's help, the HMOs won.
Source: ABC News
... The Bush Administration went to court to block lawsuits by patients who were injured by defective prescription drugs and medical devices.
Source: Washington Post
... President Bush signed a Medicare law that allows companies that reduce healthcare benefits for retirees to receive substantial subsidies from the government.
Source: Bloomberg News
... Since President Bush took office, more than 5 million people have lost their health insurance.
Source: CNN.com
... The Bush Administration blocked a proposal to ban the use of arsenic-treated lumber in playground equipment, even though it conceded it posed a danger to children.
Source: Miami Herald
... One day after President Bush bragged about his efforts to help seniors afford healthcare, the Administration announced the largest dollar increase of Medicare premiums in history.
Source: iht.com
... The Bush Administration--at the behest of the tobacco industry--tried to water down a global treaty that aimed to help curb smoking.
Source: tobaccofreekids.org
... The Bush Administration has spent $270 million on abstinence-only education programs even though there is no scientific evidence demonstrating that they are effective in dissuading teenagers from having sex or reducing the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases.
Source: salon.com
... The Bush Administration slashed funding for programs that suggested ways, other than abstinence, to avoid sexually transmitted diseases.
Source: LA Weekly
Godload wrote:
But why is there a shortage of flu vaccine?
Answer: Almost half of the USA's flu vaccine will not be delivered this year. Chiron, a major manufacturer of flu vaccine, will not be distributing any influenza vaccine this flu season. Chiron was to make 46-48 million doses vaccine for the US.
Chiron is a British company. Recently British health officials stopped Chiron from distributing and making the vaccine when inspectors found unsanitary conditions in the labs. Some lots of the vaccine were recalled and destroyed.
Why is their vaccine made in the UK and not the US? The major pharmaceutical companies in the US provided almost 90% of the nations flu vaccine at one time. They did this despite a very low profit margin for the product. Basically, they were doing Americans a favor.
In the late 80's a man from North Carolina who had received the vaccine got the flu. The strain he caught was one of the strains in that years vaccine made by a US company.
What did he do?
He sued and he won. He was awarded almost $5 million! After that case was appealed and lost, most US pharmaceutical companies stopped making the vaccine. The liability out weighed the very slim profit margin.
Since UK and Canadian laws prohibit such frivolous law suits UK and Canadian companies began selling the vaccine in the US.
Btw, the lawyer that represented the man in the flu shot lawsuit was a young ambulance chaser by the name of John Edwards.
As for Canada having cheaper medicine, of course they do - in most cases. Why? Because Canadian companies simply copy what American pharmaceutical companies invent. Canadian companies don't invest millions of dollars or 8-10 years in Research & Developement (R&D) to invent new medicines; they simply steal the hard work and investments from US companies, and are able to sell it at a cheaper price and still make a profit.
If you think that US pharmaceutical companies should have no patents to protect their new products and enable them to recoup their R&D investments, then you might as well pull the plug on Grandma now, because there will likely never be any improvements in medicine. or any new cures invented.
Hope this provides another view of the situation.
Take care, Godload.
Argh. I forgot to reply to this. Yes, they now have a shortage of flu vaccine in the US, and the CBC is gleefully reporting it. Finally, payback for the embarrassment of Canadians constantly running across the US border to get healed.
But why is there a shortage of flu vaccine?
Answer: Almost half of the USA's flu vaccine will not be delivered this year. Chiron, a major manufacturer of flu vaccine, will not be distributing any influenza vaccine this flu season. Chiron was to make 46-48 million doses vaccine for the US.
Chiron is a British company. Recently British health officials stopped Chiron from distributing and making the vaccine when inspectors found unsanitary conditions in the labs. Some lots of the vaccine were recalled and destroyed.
Why is their vaccine made in the UK and not the US? The major pharmaceutical companies in the US provided almost 90% of the nations flu vaccine at one time. They did this despite a very low profit margin for the product. Basically, they were doing Americans a favor.
In the late 80's a man from North Carolina who had received the vaccine got the flu. The strain he caught was one of the strains in that years vaccine made by a US company.
What did he do?
He sued and he won. He was awarded almost $5 million! After that case was appealed and lost, most US pharmaceutical companies stopped making the vaccine. The liability out weighed the very slim profit margin.
Since UK and Canadian laws prohibit such frivolous law suits UK and Canadian companies began selling the vaccine in the US.
Btw, the lawyer that represented the man in the flu shot lawsuit was a young ambulance chaser by the name of John Edwards.
As for Canada having cheaper medicine, of course they do - in most cases. Why? Because Canadian companies simply copy what American pharmaceutical companies invent. Canadian companies don't invest millions of dollars or 8-10 years in Research & Developement (R&D) to invent new medicines; they simply steal the hard work and investments from US companies, and are able to sell it at a cheaper price and still make a profit.
If you think that US pharmaceutical companies should have no patents to protect their new products and enable them to recoup their R&D investments, then you might as well pull the plug on Grandma now, because there will likely never be any improvements in medicine. or any new cures invented.
Hope this provides another view of the situation.
Take care, Godload.
Brad
Member
Well, Cleo, that healthcare post was just for starters
There's also a lot more to the Prescott Bush story than you would like us to believe, the facts are available to anyone that wants to read them (and form their own opinion) without being oversimplified and trivialized.
I get the impression you think "liberal" is a dirty word. You also seem to imply that ppl who don't agree with you are liberal and can't form their own opinion ... well that's your prerogative but I'm sure you realize not all ppl belong to a political party, and most are also capable of thinking for themselves.
We could go on and on and on ... and what would we achieve? Not much IMO ... other than maybe getting some feeling of satisfaction that "we proved the other guy/gal wrong" ... that's not what this thread was about initially though it may have deteriorated in that way ... and I may be guilty in indulging in that aspect of it too
at least I try to keep an open mind.
It's pointless for me to continue ... hope you can appreciate that. If not I can live with that too ...
... and if you absolutely must have the last word then have at it and knock yourself out!!
Cheers
There's also a lot more to the Prescott Bush story than you would like us to believe, the facts are available to anyone that wants to read them (and form their own opinion) without being oversimplified and trivialized.
I get the impression you think "liberal" is a dirty word. You also seem to imply that ppl who don't agree with you are liberal and can't form their own opinion ... well that's your prerogative but I'm sure you realize not all ppl belong to a political party, and most are also capable of thinking for themselves.
We could go on and on and on ... and what would we achieve? Not much IMO ... other than maybe getting some feeling of satisfaction that "we proved the other guy/gal wrong" ... that's not what this thread was about initially though it may have deteriorated in that way ... and I may be guilty in indulging in that aspect of it too
at least I try to keep an open mind. It's pointless for me to continue ... hope you can appreciate that. If not I can live with that too ...
... and if you absolutely must have the last word then have at it and knock yourself out!!
Cheers
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Cleopatra, I notice you have an answer for everything, and everything you say seems to paint a bright and shiny picture for the good old U.S. of A. and portrays us Canadians as dumb smucks.
Well I'd rather live in a country that has a higher level of respect around the world.
A country that does'nt have the levels of pollution, poverty, racial discrimenation,paranoia.
A country that has a higher level of education, a better standard of living.
We have an abundance of oil, fresh water, open spaces, and are more tolerant.
We don't allow inbreeding.Drug infested slums.and our crime rate is lower.
So get off your high horse.
I'm glad you love the good old USA, plse stay there.
Do not ask for our lumber,or our oil, or our water, or our vaccines.
Well I'd rather live in a country that has a higher level of respect around the world.
A country that does'nt have the levels of pollution, poverty, racial discrimenation,paranoia.
A country that has a higher level of education, a better standard of living.
We have an abundance of oil, fresh water, open spaces, and are more tolerant.
We don't allow inbreeding.Drug infested slums.and our crime rate is lower.
So get off your high horse.
I'm glad you love the good old USA, plse stay there.
Do not ask for our lumber,or our oil, or our water, or our vaccines.
Nice cut-and-paste job, Brad.
Why don't you tell us where you copied that from? Too embarrassed?
I'd sure like to know, considering the sources (but no links) that are cited. Nearly all are very liberal Bush-bashing sources.
The WaPo: One of the most liberal papers in the US, basically does nothing but bash President Bush. So biased, it is routinely called the Washington Compost by conservatives.
c-BS News: Isn't this the news organization that tried to pawn off Bush-bashing memos that were created on Microsoft Word as coming from 1972? If I recall correctly, Dan Rather went on the air (eventually) and finally admitted that they were phonies.
Btw, Dan Rather was the one who, when interviewing Bill & Hillary on c-BS' 60 Minutes said, "If only the rest of us had 1% of the integrity that you two have."
c-BS' 60 Minutes is also the show that gives segments (even full shows) devoted to authors of Bush-bashing books, but closes the door to anything that makes John Kerry look bad.
American Progress? Would this be the Center for American Progress? Ever been to their site? Here is what it says on the top of their page: Progressive ideas for a strong, just, and free America.
Progressive is code for liberal...because liberal is a bad word to most Americans. Notice how cleverly President Bush has labelled Kerry as a liberal.
The Center for American Progress is nothing but a Bush-bashing site. Check it out if you don't believe me.
commondreams.org? Good grief.
ABC News? Is this the same ABC News that devoted an entire episode of Nightline to reading the names of every military person who had been killed in Iraq?
The same ABC News that travelled to Vietnam to interview a couple of communists who (surprise!) backed up John Kerry's version of what happened when he was in Vietnam....but refused to interview one Swift Boat Veteran For Truth?
The same ABC News where anchorman Peter Jennings recently complained that people expect him to be objective in his news reporting?
Btw, Peter Jennings is considered a Limousine Liberal. He is extremely biased against President Bush.
CNN? Is this the CNN that is often referred to as the Clinton News Network?
IHT? The International Herald Tribune is owned by the NY Times; the most liberal national newspaper in the USA. The WaPo seems pro-Bush compared to the NY Times, or as conservatives refer to it...the NY Slimes.
Salon.com? Good grief. That is another very liberal website devoted to nothing but Bush-bashing.
Btw, what is wrong with abstinence among children?
What is wrong with stopping babies from being murdered?
I've never understood liberal logic. They are against capital punishment for serial killers, but think nothing about murdering innocent babies.
Why don't you tell us where you copied that from? Too embarrassed?
I'd sure like to know, considering the sources (but no links) that are cited. Nearly all are very liberal Bush-bashing sources.
The WaPo: One of the most liberal papers in the US, basically does nothing but bash President Bush. So biased, it is routinely called the Washington Compost by conservatives.
c-BS News: Isn't this the news organization that tried to pawn off Bush-bashing memos that were created on Microsoft Word as coming from 1972? If I recall correctly, Dan Rather went on the air (eventually) and finally admitted that they were phonies.
Btw, Dan Rather was the one who, when interviewing Bill & Hillary on c-BS' 60 Minutes said, "If only the rest of us had 1% of the integrity that you two have."
c-BS' 60 Minutes is also the show that gives segments (even full shows) devoted to authors of Bush-bashing books, but closes the door to anything that makes John Kerry look bad.
American Progress? Would this be the Center for American Progress? Ever been to their site? Here is what it says on the top of their page: Progressive ideas for a strong, just, and free America.
Progressive is code for liberal...because liberal is a bad word to most Americans. Notice how cleverly President Bush has labelled Kerry as a liberal.
The Center for American Progress is nothing but a Bush-bashing site. Check it out if you don't believe me.
commondreams.org? Good grief.
ABC News? Is this the same ABC News that devoted an entire episode of Nightline to reading the names of every military person who had been killed in Iraq?
The same ABC News that travelled to Vietnam to interview a couple of communists who (surprise!) backed up John Kerry's version of what happened when he was in Vietnam....but refused to interview one Swift Boat Veteran For Truth?
The same ABC News where anchorman Peter Jennings recently complained that people expect him to be objective in his news reporting?
Btw, Peter Jennings is considered a Limousine Liberal. He is extremely biased against President Bush.
CNN? Is this the CNN that is often referred to as the Clinton News Network?
IHT? The International Herald Tribune is owned by the NY Times; the most liberal national newspaper in the USA. The WaPo seems pro-Bush compared to the NY Times, or as conservatives refer to it...the NY Slimes.
Salon.com? Good grief. That is another very liberal website devoted to nothing but Bush-bashing.
Btw, what is wrong with abstinence among children?
What is wrong with stopping babies from being murdered?
I've never understood liberal logic. They are against capital punishment for serial killers, but think nothing about murdering innocent babies.
Peter wrote:
As for oil, water, and lumber, the US has plenty of that and could do without Canada alot more than Canada could do without the USA. The USA buys 85% of Canada's exports, but that only represents 21% of the USA's imports. If the USA ever quit buying from Canada, Canada would collapse as a country.
Btw, the next time you have an ice storm, don't call for the US army to help you like you have in the past. When al Qaeda attacks you, and they will (they again mentioned a couple of weeks back that Canada is #5 on their hitlist), don't come calling for the US to save you. I'm sure Canada's well-funded military will have no problem responding.
Or maybe you think that al Qaeda won't attack you because you are so "respected" in the world.
Oh well. You can continue to refuse to question your leaders on why your taxes are so outrageously high; why your citizens go to the USA to be healed; why your citizens leave your country to work in the USA, and continue to direct all your rage and frustration against the USA.
Enjoy.
Pot meet kettle. All you do is bash the most successful country in the world and portray them as dumb rednecks. Some might even conclude that you have an inferiority complex. You don't seem to like that I can provide answers to your constant USA bashing.
Respect in what way? Do other countries come and consult Canada when something is going wrong in the world? You made an ambiguous statement.
Haha. Riiiight.
Wrong. According to the World Factbook, the literacy rates are the same for Canada and the USA and the standard of living is much higher in the USA.
US has an abundance of oil, too. Same with fresh water. Canada has more open spaces, but it is also larger than the US in area with 11% of the USA's population. Tolerance? I'm not sure about that. I don't suppose you have proof, do you?
Yep. Absolutely NO inbreeding in Canada. No sirree. There are drug infested slums in Canada, too. Canada's crime rate is slightly lower than the USA's. The USA is 8th in the world; Canada is 11th.
Is that that tolerance you were talking about?
Haha. Canada wouldn't evn have that vaccine if not for the USA. Canada rarely invents any medicine.
As for oil, water, and lumber, the US has plenty of that and could do without Canada alot more than Canada could do without the USA. The USA buys 85% of Canada's exports, but that only represents 21% of the USA's imports. If the USA ever quit buying from Canada, Canada would collapse as a country.
Btw, the next time you have an ice storm, don't call for the US army to help you like you have in the past. When al Qaeda attacks you, and they will (they again mentioned a couple of weeks back that Canada is #5 on their hitlist), don't come calling for the US to save you. I'm sure Canada's well-funded military will have no problem responding.
Or maybe you think that al Qaeda won't attack you because you are so "respected" in the world.
Oh well. You can continue to refuse to question your leaders on why your taxes are so outrageously high; why your citizens go to the USA to be healed; why your citizens leave your country to work in the USA, and continue to direct all your rage and frustration against the USA.
Enjoy.
Barrylightbourn
Member
Observations
Hi Cleopatra,
I think it is most often the level of egoic arrogance that annoys Canadians about Americans. You seem to be proud of the States and of Bush(?)... I can’t tell if you are truly caught by your self importance or whether you are enjoying playing a role of bigot because you really feel that Canadians are such themselves. There are certainly examples in posts above that I would characterize as playful nationalistic arrogance. It doesn’t seem like you’re playing though…
(We can't stand arrogance in our fellow citizens either, btw...)
I guess I’m assuming you're American.
You certainly seem to want some kind of reaction here, but what? To convince us that we should be envious of your level of success economically? Most of us can easily feel that. We're jealous even more of your weather.
If an enlightened being looks down on this plane and checks around, are we having an argument/discussion here as to which country would be seen as best? Or, conversely are we disputing which any of us prefers?
For the second, I doubt you're going to get any converts, so what Are you wanting to do?
However for the first issue... Let me say that as a country we have long had the advantage of being close to your Power and Wealth and have gained by it, yet at the same time, similar to a younger sibling, say, we have watched how power and wealth have affected you: and my guess is that a majority of us have not liked what we’ve seen on that score…
I would suggest that your pre-eminence has tended to corrupt your capacity for humility... As AMERICANS, Rulers of the World (in the absence of a visible God) your country seems, particularly with the present Bush at the helm, to be on the rampant path of deciding for the 'rest of us' as to what GM crops we should eat; what non ecological craziness; what style of allopathic medicine; what Totally Insane way we are to WEAPONIZE Space, my God; what business model; what form of humour; what basic scientific paradigm style is acceptable - let alone what type of gas guzzling SUV is to be emphasized – etc., etc. for the last 100 years or so (to me, particularly since Corporate America has been controlling you.)
So, ‘liberal’ thesis or whatever you might call it, all these last pandemic encroachments on the whole world are made by your corporations which are, of course, also foisting these strictures on all of 'you' i.e. the People of USA, as well. The Corporate World was, of course, really born in Europe and Britain, but it has grow it’s overarching talons and really gained it’s “Horns” in the States.
So, Cleopatra, our anger (?) / my anger is with those, like you, who would seem to be advocating the Rightness of leading the world in Hypnotized by Bush fashion into an economic, military and political world system (dominated by an American style of Freedom and Democracy) that speaks with forked tongue through a mouthpiece like George Bush about spreading freedom, when he and his corporate bosses are clearly doing exactly the reverse, no matter, sorry, what you might say or believe.
Re your humour, btw, the recent release of Team America: Global Police is an awesome break in the usual style of comedy. It ‘sends up’ the self importance of the States in a way that is hopeful of change.
Last but not least: “Being God is a lonely place” they say and George B may well end up having all of you feel that loneliness far more, right alongside him…
Take care...
Barry
Hi Cleopatra,
I think it is most often the level of egoic arrogance that annoys Canadians about Americans. You seem to be proud of the States and of Bush(?)... I can’t tell if you are truly caught by your self importance or whether you are enjoying playing a role of bigot because you really feel that Canadians are such themselves. There are certainly examples in posts above that I would characterize as playful nationalistic arrogance. It doesn’t seem like you’re playing though…
(We can't stand arrogance in our fellow citizens either, btw...)
I guess I’m assuming you're American.
You certainly seem to want some kind of reaction here, but what? To convince us that we should be envious of your level of success economically? Most of us can easily feel that. We're jealous even more of your weather.
If an enlightened being looks down on this plane and checks around, are we having an argument/discussion here as to which country would be seen as best? Or, conversely are we disputing which any of us prefers?
For the second, I doubt you're going to get any converts, so what Are you wanting to do?
However for the first issue... Let me say that as a country we have long had the advantage of being close to your Power and Wealth and have gained by it, yet at the same time, similar to a younger sibling, say, we have watched how power and wealth have affected you: and my guess is that a majority of us have not liked what we’ve seen on that score…
I would suggest that your pre-eminence has tended to corrupt your capacity for humility... As AMERICANS, Rulers of the World (in the absence of a visible God) your country seems, particularly with the present Bush at the helm, to be on the rampant path of deciding for the 'rest of us'
as to what GM crops we should eat; what non ecological craziness; what style of allopathic medicine; what Totally Insane way we are to WEAPONIZE Space, my God; what business model; what form of humour; what basic scientific paradigm style is acceptable - let alone what type of gas guzzling SUV is to be emphasized – etc., etc. for the last 100 years or so (to me, particularly since Corporate America has been controlling you.)So, ‘liberal’ thesis or whatever you might call it, all these last pandemic encroachments on the whole world are made by your corporations which are, of course, also foisting these strictures on all of 'you' i.e. the People of USA, as well. The Corporate World was, of course, really born in Europe and Britain, but it has grow it’s overarching talons and really gained it’s “Horns” in the States.
So, Cleopatra, our anger (?) / my anger is with those, like you, who would seem to be advocating the Rightness of leading the world in Hypnotized by Bush fashion into an economic, military and political world system (dominated by an American style of Freedom and Democracy) that speaks with forked tongue through a mouthpiece like George Bush about spreading freedom, when he and his corporate bosses are clearly doing exactly the reverse, no matter, sorry, what you might say or believe.
Re your humour, btw, the recent release of Team America: Global Police is an awesome break in the usual style of comedy. It ‘sends up’ the self importance of the States in a way that is hopeful of change.
Last but not least: “Being God is a lonely place” they say and George B may well end up having all of you feel that loneliness far more, right alongside him…
Take care...
Barry
Originally, I was going to dissect Cleopatra's post in response to it. On reading your post, Barry, I've realized that it would do the world little good if I did so. In fact, Barry, you and I are infinitessimally luckier for living where we do than Cleopatra. We don't have to fight for our healthcare, we don't have to lock our doors, we don't have to carry guns. You do have better weather though and more bank holidays.
As for the economy, look for that to change in the near future. The EU has already shifted the balance in that regard and more is yet to come.
As for the economy, look for that to change in the near future. The EU has already shifted the balance in that regard and more is yet to come.
Actually Cleo your medicare won't supply you with a new heart or chemo if you are medically indigent. Your medically indigent care is not free, you get collection agencies and leans and other legal actions placed on you to get you to pay. If your not a homeless person your in for a big headache. Your medicare is also a very substandard form of care which doesn't provide you with full health needs. Like I said if your kid needs a heart or chemo and you can't pay, you won't get it. In the US you have to have the cash or be insured to get on the list for an organ. Your prison population gets better health care than people without insurance.
Also Canadian drugs are cheaper because they have a government body that regulates the prices of drugs so they can't rip off the population. Unfortunately your government lets your drug companies to gouge and charge what ever they want. The same US drug companies sell to us cheaper then to their own people because your government allows this for a nice campaign donation cheque. As for copying drugs its called generic drugs and its legal after the patent runs out.
And a Canadian scientist named Flemming is the one that discovered penicillin.
Also that 11000 dollars we pay more for taxes covers not only health care but education, and infrastructure such are road repair etc. Its not 11000 for health care. Your private insurance cost you an average of 5500 a year and in New York State its 7000 us. Add that onto your tax bill with the deductables. Also your public education system is a piece of crap. Your students rank below Canadian students in the world in the Maths, and Sciences. I think the US ranks like 30 in the world in public education from what I saw on CNN today.
As for your views on your politics, they are your own views. But In Texas which implemented a soley abstinance program into their sex education in public schools, they have the highest teen Aids, teen std, and pregnancy rates compared with the rest of the other states. This was the greatest contribution by your Republican counterparts. They are doing a great job.
Also I find it quite hypocritical that GW is pro-life and anti-abortion, but he allows the Assault rifle ban to expire? Do you know 60000 Americans die from fire arms every year? Thats the equivalent to the total deaths of American soldiers in 10 year during the Vietnam war? Do you think anyone being able to buy and automatic assault rifle is a good thing? I am not talking about a ban of guns, because in your constitution you have a right to bear arms. I am talking about automatic AK-47's and other military assault rifles. Do you think policemen and innocent civilians will be safe because this assault rifle ban was allowed to expire? No one goes hunting deer and squirrels with AK-47's and Uzi's because its not very sporting. Why was this ban allowed to expire? Because there was probably a very big campaign cheque involved. Because its clearly not in the best interest of the population and law enforcement for people to be buying 50 calibre automatic machine guns or uzi's and AK-47's. I bet if you took a vote on that, the majority of your population would be against this. Why not legalize grenade launchers and rocket launchers? According to the Republican Party Jesus Christ doesn't want women to have a right to choose but JC thinks its ok for anyone to buy an UZI or AK-47.
Also with your 7 trillion debt and deficits due to natural disasters and the Iraq war you guys might be in for some hard times. If you keep up on business, you will find foreign nations are not buying your treasury bonds in abundance this year. This is how your government funds its deficits, by getting foreign countries to buy your T-Bills. This month countries like China, Japan and others thought it was not very smart to be so heavily invested in one currency so they are buying more Euro denominations. If just Japan or China decided to cash in their matured T-bills and not buy new ones, the US would be screwed. China basically funded your Iraq War by buying your T-Bills a year ago. This is also leverage for them. If they decide to take over Taiwan, GW may be saying ok lets not do anything cuz we owe them alot of money.
Also the Pentagon just release a report on the insurgency in Iraq. The number of insurgents doubled from 6000 to 12000 with much better organization, equipment, and funding. Who is funding the terrorists in Iraq? Money funneled from wealthy Saudi's funnelled through Syria. Who are these wealthy Saudi's, one can only guess. You probably haven't heard this because the Republicans don't put this in their campaign ads and books. Republican campaign ads still say they wen't into Iraq because of 9/11 which was proven to be false, but the Nazi butcher Goebbles did say, if you tell a lie enough times people will believe it. So hug that Bible and vote for the Republicans as they continue to strip away your civil liberties as they say if ya complain your not American. I believe it was one of your famous political figures (the name evades me at the moment) that those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
Also for every $15 dollar increase in oil per barrel you lose 1% in GDP, combine that with job losses, and growing deficit, and GW getting elected you will get more of the same of what he has been doing to your economy. Also I find it kinda ironic that the US economy has done better under Democrats than under Republicans which seems strange.
You can also kill that social security good bye if Gw gets back into office. He says he is going to privatize it. That will cost 2 billion dollars. He will also allow younger workers to take money out of social security to invest it as they will. Do you know the current workers are paying for the retiring workers right now because they spent the money in social security? In 2016 the first of about 75 million Americans will be retiring. This is the baby boomer generation. Imagine the government having to send out cheques for social security for those 75 million retired seniors. This is scaring the US gov't because they spent the money they paid to social security. Whats also scary is the medical bills, and what will happen to the stock market when this happens. Imagine 75 million retired workers cashing out 250k+ out of mutual funds and 401k's. Could cause a crash cuz the stock market works on supply and demand. And there is no fix for this problem currently. If you are in the baby boomer generation watch your retirement carefully around 2016. Might be smart to cash out a year or two early just to be safe.
Also Canadian drugs are cheaper because they have a government body that regulates the prices of drugs so they can't rip off the population. Unfortunately your government lets your drug companies to gouge and charge what ever they want. The same US drug companies sell to us cheaper then to their own people because your government allows this for a nice campaign donation cheque. As for copying drugs its called generic drugs and its legal after the patent runs out.
And a Canadian scientist named Flemming is the one that discovered penicillin.
Also that 11000 dollars we pay more for taxes covers not only health care but education, and infrastructure such are road repair etc. Its not 11000 for health care. Your private insurance cost you an average of 5500 a year and in New York State its 7000 us. Add that onto your tax bill with the deductables. Also your public education system is a piece of crap. Your students rank below Canadian students in the world in the Maths, and Sciences. I think the US ranks like 30 in the world in public education from what I saw on CNN today.
As for your views on your politics, they are your own views. But In Texas which implemented a soley abstinance program into their sex education in public schools, they have the highest teen Aids, teen std, and pregnancy rates compared with the rest of the other states. This was the greatest contribution by your Republican counterparts. They are doing a great job.
Also I find it quite hypocritical that GW is pro-life and anti-abortion, but he allows the Assault rifle ban to expire? Do you know 60000 Americans die from fire arms every year? Thats the equivalent to the total deaths of American soldiers in 10 year during the Vietnam war? Do you think anyone being able to buy and automatic assault rifle is a good thing? I am not talking about a ban of guns, because in your constitution you have a right to bear arms. I am talking about automatic AK-47's and other military assault rifles. Do you think policemen and innocent civilians will be safe because this assault rifle ban was allowed to expire? No one goes hunting deer and squirrels with AK-47's and Uzi's because its not very sporting. Why was this ban allowed to expire? Because there was probably a very big campaign cheque involved. Because its clearly not in the best interest of the population and law enforcement for people to be buying 50 calibre automatic machine guns or uzi's and AK-47's. I bet if you took a vote on that, the majority of your population would be against this. Why not legalize grenade launchers and rocket launchers? According to the Republican Party Jesus Christ doesn't want women to have a right to choose but JC thinks its ok for anyone to buy an UZI or AK-47.
Also with your 7 trillion debt and deficits due to natural disasters and the Iraq war you guys might be in for some hard times. If you keep up on business, you will find foreign nations are not buying your treasury bonds in abundance this year. This is how your government funds its deficits, by getting foreign countries to buy your T-Bills. This month countries like China, Japan and others thought it was not very smart to be so heavily invested in one currency so they are buying more Euro denominations. If just Japan or China decided to cash in their matured T-bills and not buy new ones, the US would be screwed. China basically funded your Iraq War by buying your T-Bills a year ago. This is also leverage for them. If they decide to take over Taiwan, GW may be saying ok lets not do anything cuz we owe them alot of money.
Also the Pentagon just release a report on the insurgency in Iraq. The number of insurgents doubled from 6000 to 12000 with much better organization, equipment, and funding. Who is funding the terrorists in Iraq? Money funneled from wealthy Saudi's funnelled through Syria. Who are these wealthy Saudi's, one can only guess. You probably haven't heard this because the Republicans don't put this in their campaign ads and books. Republican campaign ads still say they wen't into Iraq because of 9/11 which was proven to be false, but the Nazi butcher Goebbles did say, if you tell a lie enough times people will believe it. So hug that Bible and vote for the Republicans as they continue to strip away your civil liberties as they say if ya complain your not American. I believe it was one of your famous political figures (the name evades me at the moment) that those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
Also for every $15 dollar increase in oil per barrel you lose 1% in GDP, combine that with job losses, and growing deficit, and GW getting elected you will get more of the same of what he has been doing to your economy. Also I find it kinda ironic that the US economy has done better under Democrats than under Republicans which seems strange.
You can also kill that social security good bye if Gw gets back into office. He says he is going to privatize it. That will cost 2 billion dollars. He will also allow younger workers to take money out of social security to invest it as they will. Do you know the current workers are paying for the retiring workers right now because they spent the money in social security? In 2016 the first of about 75 million Americans will be retiring. This is the baby boomer generation. Imagine the government having to send out cheques for social security for those 75 million retired seniors. This is scaring the US gov't because they spent the money they paid to social security. Whats also scary is the medical bills, and what will happen to the stock market when this happens. Imagine 75 million retired workers cashing out 250k+ out of mutual funds and 401k's. Could cause a crash cuz the stock market works on supply and demand. And there is no fix for this problem currently. If you are in the baby boomer generation watch your retirement carefully around 2016. Might be smart to cash out a year or two early just to be safe.
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