# 6/49 Discussion For June 7

#### gsobier

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Peter:

Sure, the fewer the better. Dennis narrowed things down to isolate 4 numbers yesterday and I nailed it on a 4 hitter. I'm hoping to zero in on some more yummies! Working as a team is the best way to solve this puzzle.

Is there anything you would like to get from me Peter (besides the winning numbers for the next draw 'cause I don't know that either)?

I wonder how your chart looks beside Dennis' double announcers.

Regards,
George

peter said:
Number position : where the numbers sit, after last nights draw.
First off, all 49 numbers are open from 17 draws, dating back to draw 1999.
Pos 1,= 2,1,4,5,11,3,6,14,18, = 9 numbers
Pos 2,=13,17,7,12,16,19,= 6 numbers
Pos 3,=21,28,37,15,20,22,29,= 7 numbers
Pos 4,=36,30,35,26,25,23,33, =7 numbers
Pos 5,=34,24,44,41,38,31,40, = 7 numbers
Pos 6,=42,48,45,47, = 4 numbers
Pos 7,=27,49,9,8,10,46,39,32,43, = 9 numbers.
Looking at the above chart, I would play 2 numbers from Positions 1 and 7, and not play ANY from Position 6.
The two draws that I see Not closing out are Draws 2007 with the 21, and draw 2010 with the 30, also do not see draws 1999,2003,and 2004 respectively closing out with the 2,1,& 36.So in essence, I've elimanated the 21,30,1,2,36,42,48,45,47. from play, now if I can find another decade to elimanate, I'll have a smaller number base from which to select, and that should appeal to George,

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#### gsobier

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Repeaters

Peter:

That can happen. We have a quad-repeat once.

How many triple-peats were there and what is the usual frequence of it? When was the last one? Are we due for one?

Regards,
George
peter said:
I would'nt be surprised, if we see a triple repeat this draw.
Yes , you heard correctly,..... A TRIPLE REPEAT!!!!!!!!!18,43,47.

#### Beaker

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peter said:
I would'nt be surprised, if we see a triple repeat this draw.
Yes , you heard correctly,..... A TRIPLE REPEAT!!!!!!!!!18,43,47.
Agree with this Actually, I would add 19-29 to the mix.

#### Beaker

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Re: Repeaters

gsobier said:
Peter:

That can happen. We have a quad-repeat once.

How many triple-peats were there and what is the usual frequence of it? When was the last one? Are we due for one?

Regards,
George
I count 106 of these which includes the 8 4peats and 1 quint. Last one was 2002 and time before was 1959.

Bonus included in the counts

#### peter

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Over the next day or two, as promised last week, I will post in the tips section, all you ever wanted to know about consecutives, and LD's, stay tuned!

#### Beaker

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peter said:
Over the next day or two, as promised last week, I will post in the tips section, all you ever wanted to know about consecutives, and LD's, stay tuned!
Peter, quick qestion. Do you include bonus in your LD and consecutive numbers?

#### peter

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Beaker said:
Peter, quick qestion. Do you include bonus in your LD and consecutive numbers?
The bonus number is included in all my charts, I DO NOT keep my files " bonus included", " bonus excluded"
Too much work, plus my belief is the bonus is part of every draw, it effects all other 6 numbers, therefore mine are "ALWAYS" included.

#### gsobier

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Re: Re: Repeaters

Beaker:

I'd better qualify this a bit more then... ...he only quad was in the regular numbers.

Regards,
George

Beaker said:
I count 106 of these which includes the 8 4peats and 1 quint. Last one was 2002 and time before was 1959.

Bonus included in the counts

#### peter

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Re: Re: Repeaters

Beaker said:
I count 106 of these which includes the 8 4peats and 1 quint. Last one was 2002 and time before was 1959.

Bonus included in the counts
That's 5.25% of the time,or roughly once every 19 draws.

#### peter

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Hey Beaker, I just noticed I only need 2020 posts to catch up to you,

#### Snides

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So, I figure we need a number from 1 to 7 to hit for this draw.. Question is, which one?

2 3 6 and 7 are all intersection numbers, but we've had one of these in both of the last 2 draws, so I wouldn't expect one this time...

That leaves 1 4 and 5, which one of those are going to show up?

My vote would be for the number 4.

#### Beaker

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Snides said:
So, I figure we need a number from 1 to 7 to hit for this draw.. Question is, which one?

2 3 6 and 7 are all intersection numbers, but we've had one of these in both of the last 2 draws, so I wouldn't expect one this time...

That leaves 1 4 and 5, which one of those are going to show up?

My vote would be for the number 4.
Snides, I'm looking at that 3 or 4 and something with 8

Then again, my spidy sense is telling me this one could start high again

#### Beaker

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George

George, I was just looking at my delta number file and thought I would pass on this little gem for you - if you didn't already know it.

The gem is when you build your tickets you should have at least 2 delta numbers the same. This happens alot, how much I need to calculate, but for people like you who build your own tickets it is a necessary strategy.

Consider the past 5 draws as an example:

|-------------------------------|-----Deltas-----|

2017 03 07 16 26 38 47 B10-- 03 04 09 10 12 09
2018 06 12 15 25 31 47 B46-- 06 06 03 10 06 16
2019 06 16 20 29 33 45 B39-- 06 10 04 09 04 12
2020 14 18 22 23 31 45 B32-- 14 04 04 01 08 14
2021 18 19 29 33 40 47 B43-- 18 01 10 04 07 07

2 deltas the same - must have in the tickets.

#### gsobier

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Re: George

Beaker:

TRUELY amazing! How often do we have delta like this? Is it more than lets say 75%? I'll have to run through all the draws to know. Do you know off hand to save me the trouble.

I found something today which I think will help validate sets. Its running right now in my office and I'm in Hamilton right now (I waved to you on the way past your place from Scabrough to Hamilton) and the results will be shared when known later on today.

Regards,
George
Beaker said:
George, I was just looking at my delta number file and thought I would pass on this little gem for you - if you didn't already know it.

The gem is when you build your tickets you should have at least 2 delta numbers the same. This happens alot, how much I need to calculate, but for people like you who build your own tickets it is a necessary strategy.

Consider the past 5 draws as an example:

|-------------------------------|-----Deltas-----|

2017 03 07 16 26 38 47 B10-- 03 04 09 10 12 09
2018 06 12 15 25 31 47 B46-- 06 06 03 10 06 16
2019 06 16 20 29 33 45 B39-- 06 10 04 09 04 12
2020 14 18 22 23 31 45 B32-- 14 04 04 01 08 14
2021 18 19 29 33 40 47 B43-- 18 01 10 04 07 07

2 deltas the same - must have in the tickets.

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#### Beaker

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Not sure how often it hits George, I'll leave that one for you

Looks like in the past 25, that condition has hit 17 times

#### gsobier

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Beaker:

I'll have to check that out this week. I've checked the results of my latest "what if". I did regression testing for the last 1,000 draws (excluding Bonus) and the follow was observed...
...4 numbers in 1,000 previous draws matched 612 times (61.2%). 369 out of 1,000 (36.9%), 3 numbers in previous sets was found. Only 19 times (1.9%) I saw 5 numbers were found in a prior set which is a very good and reliable indicator to avoid that set.

Therefore, you should have 4 numbers (could be 3 too) in a set you are going to play compared to all prior 1,000 sets which have been drawn.

Is everyone lost now?

Regards,
George
Beaker said:
Not sure how often it hits George, I'll leave that one for you

Looks like in the past 25, that condition has hit 17 times

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#### Geenie

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Beaker,

Sparked my interest with those Deltas.
I will have to dig up Analysis - Lotto.
Maybe another good filter to use.

#### Beaker

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Geenie said:
Beaker,

Sparked my interest with those Deltas.
I will have to dig up Analysis - Lotto.
Maybe another good filter to use.
Sorry Geenie, forgot that you also build/filter your tickets.

This is a good filter, one that deserves more investigation. I'd use it if I filtered

#### Beaker

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Looks like S7 went nice and high. Alot of those numbers are in play especially my DN 46

#### gsobier

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Beaker:

Both jackpots are gone now and I do notice there is much less activity here in the forum now too. Everyone probably spent all thier lotto money last week. What a week it was.

Regards,
George

Beaker said:
Looks like S7 went nice and high. Alot of those numbers are in play especially my DN 46