Winnalotto-Sangoma 2
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black prince
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Springbok
To me the hits occur more frequently between 1 and 4. So, if Omega21
has 3 skips I would expect it to occur in the next draw. Also, 17 is the highest
skip. If Omega21 had a skip of 15 it should hit before it reaches it's max skip of 17. The
skip pattern behavior is not here, but it may have a habit of triple hits or
double hits especially if the total number of hits compared to all numbers is high.
Others can add more clues to reading skips behavior. I use the FREQ5 report
from BRIGHT5 as a guide. This generally gives me good results. I too would like to
automate this process.
-BP
To me the hits occur more frequently between 1 and 4. So, if Omega21
has 3 skips I would expect it to occur in the next draw. Also, 17 is the highest
skip. If Omega21 had a skip of 15 it should hit before it reaches it's max skip of 17. The
skip pattern behavior is not here, but it may have a habit of triple hits or
double hits especially if the total number of hits compared to all numbers is high.
Others can add more clues to reading skips behavior. I use the FREQ5 report
from BRIGHT5 as a guide. This generally gives me good results. I too would like to
automate this process.
-BP
Hello Black Prince
You actually got to try out the idea by back testing. It may be possible for you to convert your data file into say an omega format with MDIED. There is an option the change things. So if you write out the format ie 1, 2 equal 1, then all those real numbers in your history file will be recorded as 1. Then 3,4 equal 2 an d those two numbers will be recorded as 2 and so on. Once you done that you can test your skip reading skills. You will be surprised at what you can do. It is great fun.
Remember once the file has been converted, us the stats function in Mdied. Easy peasy. Maybe it could be done with this Excel. Remember the gunfights in the old Westerns. The guy with the sun in his eyes has the disadvantage and the advantage goes to the other guy.
You actually got to try out the idea by back testing. It may be possible for you to convert your data file into say an omega format with MDIED. There is an option the change things. So if you write out the format ie 1, 2 equal 1, then all those real numbers in your history file will be recorded as 1. Then 3,4 equal 2 an d those two numbers will be recorded as 2 and so on. Once you done that you can test your skip reading skills. You will be surprised at what you can do. It is great fun.
Remember once the file has been converted, us the stats function in Mdied. Easy peasy.
Maybe it could be done with this Excel. Remember the gunfights in the old Westerns. The guy with the sun in his eyes has the disadvantage and the advantage goes to the other guy.Hi again BP
To put it in another way. Out of all those people who bet on the bookies twice a day lottery be they be millions or hundreds of thousands, out of all those people I have the edge. Think of the old World War 1 saying. Beware of the Hun in the Sun. If you are in your Fokker Triplane and you are higher than your opponent below in their Sopwith Camel and your opponent cannot see you because of the sun then the advantage goes to you-you have the edge. In this game we need all the edge we can get
To put it in another way. Out of all those people who bet on the bookies twice a day lottery be they be millions or hundreds of thousands, out of all those people I have the edge. Think of the old World War 1 saying. Beware of the Hun in the Sun. If you are in your Fokker Triplane and you are higher than your opponent below in their Sopwith Camel and your opponent cannot see you because of the sun then the advantage goes to you-you have the edge. In this game we need all the edge we can get
Hello BP
I ran a test with wordpad on converting real numbers into an omega format. You must click match whole word. If you use any other it could double back and again change an omega format number into something else. There is no End If command for protection. It is a bit of a drudge but seems to work. Once you done it its done and any updates can be done manually. Spot check that the conversion has been done properly.
I ran a test with wordpad on converting real numbers into an omega format. You must click match whole word. If you use any other it could double back and again change an omega format number into something else. There is no End If command for protection. It is a bit of a drudge but seems to work. Once you done it its done and any updates can be done manually. Spot check that the conversion has been done properly.
Hi Springbok,
On the subject of Moses, (!) how do I get the Moses section of Winnalotto to recognise the UK 5/34? I enter the previous draw and get the result complete with numbers over 34 in cols 4 and 5, here and there.
There have been a few changes since I've been gone, and I am trying to catch up with both threads!
Cheers
On the subject of Moses, (!) how do I get the Moses section of Winnalotto to recognise the UK 5/34? I enter the previous draw and get the result complete with numbers over 34 in cols 4 and 5, here and there.
There have been a few changes since I've been gone, and I am trying to catch up with both threads!
Cheers
Patrick123
Member
Good Morning Everyone,
I was a bit pre-occupied yesterday, so will try and catch up with everything today.
Barge, I'd suggest you read this thread relating to the Moses section:
http://www.lotto649.ws/lotto-software/9957-master-lottery-software-35.html#post109442
The Moses section was aimed at 6/49. If you want to use it, then simply purge columns 1 to 5 that has values over 34.
Thanks for those stats GillesD, I'll incorporate them into the purging section.
Springbok, as usual, you have left me a pile of homework, not that I'm complaining. Let's see how much we can automate it.
Regards
Patrick
I was a bit pre-occupied yesterday, so will try and catch up with everything today.
Barge, I'd suggest you read this thread relating to the Moses section:
http://www.lotto649.ws/lotto-software/9957-master-lottery-software-35.html#post109442
The Moses section was aimed at 6/49. If you want to use it, then simply purge columns 1 to 5 that has values over 34.
Thanks for those stats GillesD, I'll incorporate them into the purging section.
Springbok, as usual, you have left me a pile of homework, not that I'm complaining.
Let's see how much we can automate it.Regards
Patrick
Gooie More Patrick
Hold fire on automation at the moment. There is more to it than meets the eye. I think at the moment if you could organise the skip history appearing in sorted order from lowest to highest would help people a lot. Each pair's skip history would take a number of lines so it can be taken in one glance without having to scroll. Then say all the likely inbetweeners could be typed into the filter window and then their sorted history can be viewed to find out the most likely pair and to find out when we expect it to hit if at all. Another thing I have to work out is the length of the history file to be used. At the moment 500 gives good results but there may be other lengths that are even better. I have cut my slack from hitting in the max of 4 draws down to 2 and it is making me a fairly happy chappie It is an excellent edge. I have not tested the existing filters yet using this method but if it works for pairs where the only thing you take into account is the current skip it could be hot.
Hold fire on automation at the moment. There is more to it than meets the eye. I think at the moment if you could organise the skip history appearing in sorted order from lowest to highest would help people a lot. Each pair's skip history would take a number of lines so it can be taken in one glance without having to scroll. Then say all the likely inbetweeners could be typed into the filter window and then their sorted history can be viewed to find out the most likely pair and to find out when we expect it to hit if at all. Another thing I have to work out is the length of the history file to be used. At the moment 500 gives good results but there may be other lengths that are even better. I have cut my slack from hitting in the max of 4 draws down to 2 and it is making me a fairly happy chappie
It is an excellent edge. I have not tested the existing filters yet using this method but if it works for pairs where the only thing you take into account is the current skip it could be hot.Hi again Patrick
The more I think about it the saying echoes in my mind. What has happened in the past is likely to happen again. The thing we have to do is to set the timeframe parameter. Is it this draw or is it the next draw? What are the probabilities of being correct?
Another intriguing question is the use of simulated draws. Saliu uses simulated draws for his layers. The real draws are superimposed on these layers for statistical reporting. It works. Why do we use the real draws in the programme to predict the future. The machine that spits out the balls has no knowledge of what it has done in the past. Yet when we use these draws especially after studying the sorted order of the skips we can be pretty accurate as to predict the timeframe of a hit. Will it be the next 2 or the 2 after. Should I perhaps wait for three draws then give it a go. Or this pair is as cold as a Canadian in winter I want to experiment with simulated draws to see whatsup. I know pretty well what to expect. Will the simulated draws do the same?
The more I think about it the saying echoes in my mind. What has happened in the past is likely to happen again. The thing we have to do is to set the timeframe parameter. Is it this draw or is it the next draw? What are the probabilities of being correct?
Another intriguing question is the use of simulated draws. Saliu uses simulated draws for his layers. The real draws are superimposed on these layers for statistical reporting. It works. Why do we use the real draws in the programme to predict the future. The machine that spits out the balls has no knowledge of what it has done in the past. Yet when we use these draws especially after studying the sorted order of the skips we can be pretty accurate as to predict the timeframe of a hit. Will it be the next 2 or the 2 after. Should I perhaps wait for three draws then give it a go. Or this pair is as cold as a Canadian in winter
I want to experiment with simulated draws to see whatsup. I know pretty well what to expect. Will the simulated draws do the same?
Patrick123
Member
Good Morning Springbok,
For lack of a better word to describe, the 'Load Every x Line' feature, I'm going to refer to it as levels (skip has already been taken ).
I ran the SA Lotto( about 700 draws), added about 10000 simulated draws below it, ran it again with a cut-off of 8000, the results were remarkably similar, here & there an odd number different.
When I start loading level 2, 3, 4 etc, the pool of 700 draws shrinks dramatically. Hopefully the simulated draws will keep this fairly smooth now. I'll give you feedback on that.
Regards
Patrick
For lack of a better word to describe, the 'Load Every x Line' feature, I'm going to refer to it as levels (skip has already been taken
).I ran the SA Lotto( about 700 draws), added about 10000 simulated draws below it, ran it again with a cut-off of 8000, the results were remarkably similar, here & there an odd number different.
When I start loading level 2, 3, 4 etc, the pool of 700 draws shrinks dramatically. Hopefully the simulated draws will keep this fairly smooth now. I'll give you feedback on that.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
Bonjour Springbok,
What I want to evaluate, this should give similar results to Saliu's files, is to only place the last 10 (20,30,40) draws on top of different simulated draws, then check the selections that the filters have given. Especially for the multi-level selections.
Theoretically, the simulated section only provides the background statistics as most of action takes place in the last 40 draws. Once the levels are loaded, they tend to play a much more important role as they then start adding to the hit/skip information.
Regards
Patrick
What I want to evaluate, this should give similar results to Saliu's files, is to only place the last 10 (20,30,40) draws on top of different simulated draws, then check the selections that the filters have given. Especially for the multi-level selections.
Theoretically, the simulated section only provides the background statistics as most of action takes place in the last 40 draws. Once the levels are loaded, they tend to play a much more important role as they then start adding to the hit/skip information.
Regards
Patrick
Hi Patrick
I run say omega type files. I run around 800,000 simulated draws and stick the real draws on top. According to the Del6 filter in Bright6 the median is around 390,000. This means that 50% of the time the previous 390,000 configuations of the omega type pairings will not occur in the next draw. I am not sure exactly what the del6 filter does though. I don't think it refers to the exact 6 numbers in a combination. But it wipes out a lot of rubbish combinations
I run say omega type files. I run around 800,000 simulated draws and stick the real draws on top. According to the Del6 filter in Bright6 the median is around 390,000. This means that 50% of the time the previous 390,000 configuations of the omega type pairings will not occur in the next draw. I am not sure exactly what the del6 filter does though. I don't think it refers to the exact 6 numbers in a combination. But it wipes out a lot of rubbish combinations
Springbok said:The more I think about it the saying echoes in my mind. What has happened in the past is likely to happen again. The thing we have to do is to set the timeframe parameter. Is it this draw or is it the next draw? What are the probabilities of being correct?
Another intriguing question is the use of simulated draws. Saliu uses simulated draws for his layers. The real draws are superimposed on these layers for statistical reporting. It works. Why do we use the real draws in the programme to predict the future. The machine that spits out the balls has no knowledge of what it has done in the past. Yet when we use these draws especially after studying the sorted order of the skips we can be pretty accurate as to predict the timeframe of a hit. Will it be the next 2 or the 2 after. Should I perhaps wait for three draws then give it a go. Or this pair is as cold as a Canadian in winter
Hi SpringBok,
The layer concept is an interesting concept but I wonder why there is no Any3 filter in Bright5 as there is in MDIE. This filter can help. Have you any idea why Ion didn't use it in MD layers in Bright5?
Thank you.
taaroa
Tumela Morena Patrick
It occurred to me that the method of detecting when a pair will hit should be communicated to you in pseudo code rather than trying to produce an algorithm. It makes things so much clearer and you then can translate into the Delphi taal. It will be a piece of old takkie for you. Initially it will be detecting this and at a later stage to evaluate the actual reliability of the pair of actually hitting in the required parameter. It is possible to narrow down the hit zone to 2 draws and with a bit of extra cunning to one draw. Give me a couple of days to produce some understandable pseudo code.
It occurred to me that the method of detecting when a pair will hit should be communicated to you in pseudo code rather than trying to produce an algorithm. It makes things so much clearer and you then can translate into the Delphi taal. It will be a piece of old takkie for you. Initially it will be detecting this and at a later stage to evaluate the actual reliability of the pair of actually hitting in the required parameter. It is possible to narrow down the hit zone to 2 draws and with a bit of extra cunning to one draw. Give me a couple of days to produce some understandable pseudo code.
Patrick123
Member
Good Day Everyone,
Whenever you're ready Springbok, I'll try and do the coding.
Barge, until I can get an Omega generator done, the easy way to do this is to use the purge tab.
Select all 49 numbers. A ticket size of 2 or 3 or 4. Generate all the combinations, or 5000 random combinations, Shuffle the rows about 2 or 3 times, then 'Remove rows matching rows with 1 number'.
If your ticket size was 3, you'd end up with 16 rows Save this, open it in Excel and delete the top row (header) and 1st column (Row Number).
Regards
Patrick
Whenever you're ready Springbok, I'll try and do the coding.
Barge, until I can get an Omega generator done, the easy way to do this is to use the purge tab.
Select all 49 numbers. A ticket size of 2 or 3 or 4. Generate all the combinations, or 5000 random combinations, Shuffle the rows about 2 or 3 times, then 'Remove rows matching rows with 1 number'.
If your ticket size was 3, you'd end up with 16 rows
Save this, open it in Excel and delete the top row (header) and 1st column (Row Number).Regards
Patrick