Winnalotto-Sangoma 2
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Patrick123
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Hi Barge,
Only a pleasure. Another little trick that I'm busy testing now for doing end digits.
Take your values in an Excel Spreadsheet.
Get the end digits - (formula to use is =RIGHT(A1,1) +1 replacing the A1 with your references)
The + 1 now gives you values from 1 to 10, as WinnaLotto does not handle zeros.
Copy these values on a new spreadsheet and save as a csv format.
You can now load this into WinnaLotto, Number Balls = 10
We'll need to develop new filters for this, so far the Opening Batsmen HP Filter and Historical High, seem to deliver.
Remember to subtract 1 to give you the final digit end.
Regards
Patrick
Only a pleasure. Another little trick that I'm busy testing now for doing end digits.
Take your values in an Excel Spreadsheet.
Get the end digits - (formula to use is =RIGHT(A1,1) +1 replacing the A1 with your references)
The + 1 now gives you values from 1 to 10, as WinnaLotto does not handle zeros.
Copy these values on a new spreadsheet and save as a csv format.
You can now load this into WinnaLotto, Number Balls = 10
We'll need to develop new filters for this, so far the Opening Batsmen HP Filter and Historical High, seem to deliver.
Remember to subtract 1 to give you the final digit end.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
Hi Everyone,
Another trick that you might be interested in trying with WinnaLotto, is to load your draws in Excel, sort each row(possibly using the Largest function) then save each column as a csv format file.
Loading this in Winnalotto with 'Balls in Draw' = 1, you are able to get a VERT analysis on each column.
Regards
Patrick
Another trick that you might be interested in trying with WinnaLotto, is to load your draws in Excel, sort each row(possibly using the Largest function) then save each column as a csv format file.
Loading this in Winnalotto with 'Balls in Draw' = 1, you are able to get a VERT analysis on each column.
Regards
Patrick
Middag Patrick
I have written out the pseudo code in rough and will stick it onto the thread by Saturday afternoon. The technique will be called Sniper1. I am already experimenting with Sniper2 but Sniper1 will do for the moment for people to evaluate. I am happy with it. You will have no problem with coding it. It will be great fun
I have written out the pseudo code in rough and will stick it onto the thread by Saturday afternoon. The technique will be called Sniper1. I am already experimenting with Sniper2 but Sniper1 will do for the moment for people to evaluate. I am happy with it. You will have no problem with coding it. It will be great fun
Patrick123
Member
G'day Springbok,
Sounds good. Every bit of ammo is worth it.
Regards
Patrick
Sounds good. Every bit of ammo is worth it.
Regards
Patrick
black prince
Member
Hi All
Hi Everyone, I've been studing some new approaches to getting numbers consistantly
using neighboring pairs. For example:
1,2
2,3
3,4
4,5
5,6
.
.
.
29,30
They appear on average 6 or more times in 10 draws. I'm looking at their skip
patterns and numbers that like to appear when they play. I couple this with
Partick123's Very Hot Numbers and Hot Numbers filters. I'm getting closer
to 4 sure winners with 7 to 9 selections. The smaller I can get my
number selections the easier it will be to hit JP.
-BP
Hi Everyone, I've been studing some new approaches to getting numbers consistantly
using neighboring pairs. For example:
1,2
2,3
3,4
4,5
5,6
.
.
.
29,30
They appear on average 6 or more times in 10 draws. I'm looking at their skip
patterns and numbers that like to appear when they play. I couple this with
Partick123's Very Hot Numbers and Hot Numbers filters. I'm getting closer
to 4 sure winners with 7 to 9 selections. The smaller I can get my
number selections the easier it will be to hit JP.
-BP
Buenos Dias Senor Patrick
Let us call this technique Sniper1 as we aim at 2 shots one kill within two draws and a cunning clued up chappie should be able to reduce it to one draw. I have used it on the 49s 7/49 with current skip levels of 3,4,5,etc
Testing is done with the Omega file which goes up in consecutive pairs ie 1,2- 3,4 etc. I have another 14 files each with a unique set of pairs. Each file can be individually called for examination.
Initially we accept that a pair will hit within a 4 draw timeframe. Let's get on the pseudocode.
Initially you have to decide on the length of the history file so an object will be needed for the user to input the desired length and invoke a flt file like omega or whatever. You will have the normal single ball, pair and trip control.I would assume your coding will operate on all the 1176 pairs as well. So the user will have a choice of using the full monty or a 24 pair flt file.
The omega format is invoked and a skip analysis if performed resulting in two reports. First is the actual skip report and second a report in sorted order is produced. Below is an example from Omega6. Winnalotto can handle the actual 2 numbers in the pair(my homegrown software cannot hence the conversion to a pseudo or fuzzy number). In the example I have only put the current skip,you may want to have them all.
The current skip is taken and from the next skip 4 is added. The range of out expectations goes from 4 to 7. Now the program counts the number of times the skip cycles hit. It is 23. Next step is to divide the 4-7 range into 2 parts.Part 1 is 4 and 5 and part 2 is 6 and 7. The program looks at part 1 and counts the skip cycles. In this case there are 15 skip cycles.The program divides the 15 by 23 and produces a percenatge.The result is 65%. Now the program looks at part 2 and counts 8 skip cycles. the 8 is divided by 23 and the result is 35%. We can assume on the balance of probabilities that Omega6 will hit in the next 2 draws. That's it. Simple.
The question is the format of the display. Obviously we need the percentage probabilities and it is helpful to see the sorted order of the skips so the user can see whatsup and become more intimate with this method.
*Omega6(11,12) * Hits: 141
------------------------
* Skips >>>>> 3
* Sorted Skips: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 9 9 10 11 11 13 15 15
Let us call this technique Sniper1 as we aim at 2 shots one kill within two draws and a cunning clued up chappie should be able to reduce it to one draw. I have used it on the 49s 7/49 with current skip levels of 3,4,5,etc
Testing is done with the Omega file which goes up in consecutive pairs ie 1,2- 3,4 etc. I have another 14 files each with a unique set of pairs. Each file can be individually called for examination.
Initially we accept that a pair will hit within a 4 draw timeframe. Let's get on the pseudocode.
Initially you have to decide on the length of the history file so an object will be needed for the user to input the desired length and invoke a flt file like omega or whatever. You will have the normal single ball, pair and trip control.I would assume your coding will operate on all the 1176 pairs as well. So the user will have a choice of using the full monty or a 24 pair flt file.
The omega format is invoked and a skip analysis if performed resulting in two reports. First is the actual skip report and second a report in sorted order is produced. Below is an example from Omega6. Winnalotto can handle the actual 2 numbers in the pair(my homegrown software cannot hence the conversion to a pseudo or fuzzy number). In the example I have only put the current skip,you may want to have them all.
The current skip is taken and from the next skip 4 is added. The range of out expectations goes from 4 to 7. Now the program counts the number of times the skip cycles hit. It is 23. Next step is to divide the 4-7 range into 2 parts.Part 1 is 4 and 5 and part 2 is 6 and 7. The program looks at part 1 and counts the skip cycles. In this case there are 15 skip cycles.The program divides the 15 by 23 and produces a percenatge.The result is 65%. Now the program looks at part 2 and counts 8 skip cycles. the 8 is divided by 23 and the result is 35%. We can assume on the balance of probabilities that Omega6 will hit in the next 2 draws. That's it. Simple.
The question is the format of the display. Obviously we need the percentage probabilities and it is helpful to see the sorted order of the skips so the user can see whatsup and become more intimate with this method.
*Omega6(11,12) * Hits: 141
------------------------
* Skips >>>>> 3
* Sorted Skips: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 9 9 10 11 11 13 15 15
Hi again Patrick
An advantage of using this technique in Winnalotto will be to type into the filter window the pairs from Opening batsmen etc to try and find which one we should be using. At the moment embedding them into my VB6 stuff is a pain.
Happy coding, it will keep you away from mischief
An advantage of using this technique in Winnalotto will be to type into the filter window the pairs from Opening batsmen etc to try and find which one we should be using. At the moment embedding them into my VB6 stuff is a pain.
Happy coding, it will keep you away from mischief
Patrick123
Member
Gode morweninge Springbok,
I see the easiest way to implement this in WinnaLotto is to create it as functions to be used in the column filter. That should be fairly chop-chop. To cater for the multi-line display, I think the best would be to reduce the height of the display grid on the Drawing analysis screen, slot it in there, and whichever row you select on the display grid, the skips, sorted or unsorted will be displayed in an edit-box below.
I should have it up & running during the course of next week.
Regards
Patrick
I see the easiest way to implement this in WinnaLotto is to create it as functions to be used in the column filter. That should be fairly chop-chop. To cater for the multi-line display, I think the best would be to reduce the height of the display grid on the Drawing analysis screen, slot it in there, and whichever row you select on the display grid, the skips, sorted or unsorted will be displayed in an edit-box below.
I should have it up & running during the course of next week.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
Hi Springbok,
Mischief, who me,
Have to win the JP first
Mischief, who me,
Have to win the JP first Sanuku Patrick
The coding is your problem, thank goodness Later on it will have to be refined to improve the dependability of the pairs hitting within the time frame. So far I have found Sniper1 the best way of mugging the UK bookies. When you play with it you will usually smile(not always but you will smile more often than not). AT the moment I am grinning 99% of the time. I am finding that getting it right brings me more pleasure than actually winning money. I must be mad. It must be stressed that anyone playing with SNiper1 should initially use it as "blue skies" research to develop the confidence and intuitive skills in reading the results. A week or so should be used in backtesting and recording the results. Later on I will put up some examples from my files and the stats reporting and percentage probabilities and giving the results. I will do it at random by diving into the depths of the history of the SA, UK lotteries.
The coding is your problem, thank goodness
Later on it will have to be refined to improve the dependability of the pairs hitting within the time frame. So far I have found Sniper1 the best way of mugging the UK bookies. When you play with it you will usually smile(not always but you will smile more often than not). AT the moment I am grinning 99% of the time. I am finding that getting it right brings me more pleasure than actually winning money. I must be mad. It must be stressed that anyone playing with SNiper1 should initially use it as "blue skies" research to develop the confidence and intuitive skills in reading the results. A week or so should be used in backtesting and recording the results. Later on I will put up some examples from my files and the stats reporting and percentage probabilities and giving the results. I will do it at random by diving into the depths of the history of the SA, UK lotteries.
Patrick123
Member
Hi Springbok,
WinnaLotto has been upgraded - Release Date 1 June 2008.
I've put the basics in place for you to peruse, though I have not finished the functions to be used when creating your own columns yet.
You should be able to list the balls/pairs/trips & whichever row you select, the information should be detailed at the bottom of the screen.
Regards
Patrick
WinnaLotto has been upgraded - Release Date 1 June 2008.
I've put the basics in place for you to peruse, though I have not finished the functions to be used when creating your own columns yet.
You should be able to list the balls/pairs/trips & whichever row you select, the information should be detailed at the bottom of the screen.
Regards
Patrick
Dumela Patrick
Wow, you move fast.Well done
I downloaded the new incarnation and had a quick look. Very cool the way you handled the display. It makes things so much simpler. Just roll the wheel of the mouse and the stats come up on the screen at the bottom. I called my omega file(actual pairings not fuzzy numbers) to examine the reporting on the screen to see if it was reporting correctly. One pair was spot on. Not all the reporting is correct. Judging by the markers you have on the sorted order there are errors. The ranges are often incorrect. For example if the current skip is 5, then the range will be from 6 to 9 and will be indicated by the markers.
Wow, you move fast.Well done
I downloaded the new incarnation and had a quick look. Very cool the way you handled the display. It makes things so much simpler. Just roll the wheel of the mouse and the stats come up on the screen at the bottom. I called my omega file(actual pairings not fuzzy numbers) to examine the reporting on the screen to see if it was reporting correctly. One pair was spot on. Not all the reporting is correct. Judging by the markers you have on the sorted order there are errors. The ranges are often incorrect. For example if the current skip is 5, then the range will be from 6 to 9 and will be indicated by the markers.
Patrick123
Member
Hi Springbok,
Can you extrapolate on the error a bit. i.e. Are the skip values incorrect or the start & end points pointing incorrectly?
I tested here & everything seems to work fine. Ensure that your scroll does not change the values for the skip ranges below when you scroll.
Regards
Patrick
Can you extrapolate on the error a bit. i.e. Are the skip values incorrect or the start & end points pointing incorrectly?
I tested here & everything seems to work fine. Ensure that your scroll does not change the values for the skip ranges below when you scroll.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
Hi again Springbok,
My error, I was using the Median as the start point, not the current skip value
Will upload the update in 10 minutes.
Regards
Patrick
My error, I was using the Median as the start point, not the current skip value
Will upload the update in 10 minutes.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
Hi again Springbok,
The problem has been corrected, WinnaLotto - 1 June 2008 - Build 2 ready for downloading.
Regards
Patrick
The problem has been corrected, WinnaLotto - 1 June 2008 - Build 2 ready for downloading.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
Member
Hi again Springbok,
Just something I want to query with you.
I printed out the skips for various rows that hit the next draw, here are some:
1
Before
2 3 11 3 17 0 2 2 8 9 17 5 6 7 24 7 7 1 7 5 0 11 4 8 1
After
0 2 3 11 3 17 0 2 2 8 9 17 5 6 7 24 7 7 1 7 5 0 11 4 8 1
25
Before
6 0 0 2 4 2 3 22 1 34 2 13 17 6 0 5 0 15 1 4 4 0 6 30
After
0 6 0 0 2 4 2 3 22 1 34 2 13 17 6 0 5 0 15 1 4 4 0 6
1-12-19 - (the 1 hit next draw)
Before
2 0 2 0 3 0 2 0 1 3 0 4 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 4 1 1 3 0 ...
After
0 2 0 2 0 3 0 2 0 1 3 0 4 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 4 1 1 3 ...
Expanding on the (1-12-19):
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 > 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 6 < 7 7 8 22
Percentage: 11/14 - 78.57%
Looking at this, as the skip value goes to 0, should we not rather be comparing the probability of the 0,1,2,3 skip range to give
45/59 = 76.27%
or refining this, the probability of a 0 coming in compared to the 2 turning into a 3 for the next skip value?
I hope I explained myself clearly enough
Regards
Patrick
Just something I want to query with you.
I printed out the skips for various rows that hit the next draw, here are some:
1
Before
2 3 11 3 17 0 2 2 8 9 17 5 6 7 24 7 7 1 7 5 0 11 4 8 1
After
0 2 3 11 3 17 0 2 2 8 9 17 5 6 7 24 7 7 1 7 5 0 11 4 8 1
25
Before
6 0 0 2 4 2 3 22 1 34 2 13 17 6 0 5 0 15 1 4 4 0 6 30
After
0 6 0 0 2 4 2 3 22 1 34 2 13 17 6 0 5 0 15 1 4 4 0 6
1-12-19 - (the 1 hit next draw)
Before
2 0 2 0 3 0 2 0 1 3 0 4 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 4 1 1 3 0 ...
After
0 2 0 2 0 3 0 2 0 1 3 0 4 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 4 1 1 3 ...
Expanding on the (1-12-19):
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 > 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 6 < 7 7 8 22
Percentage: 11/14 - 78.57%
Looking at this, as the skip value goes to 0, should we not rather be comparing the probability of the 0,1,2,3 skip range to give
45/59 = 76.27%
or refining this, the probability of a 0 coming in compared to the 2 turning into a 3 for the next skip value?
I hope I explained myself clearly enough
Regards
Patrick
Hi Patrick
I will download the new update. I am aware of what you are saying. This is Sniper2 area. Still thinking about it. The updated Winnalotto will speed up experimenting in this area. At the moment I will check out the update and check against my homegrown stuff to check for accuracy.
I am keen to check out the original filters draad skipsiiter etc to see if the correct one can be located.
I will download the new update. I am aware of what you are saying. This is Sniper2 area. Still thinking about it. The updated Winnalotto will speed up experimenting in this area. At the moment I will check out the update and check against my homegrown stuff to check for accuracy.
I am keen to check out the original filters draad skipsiiter etc to see if the correct one can be located.
Middag Patrick
Build 2 looks good to me. You sorted the ranges out. The only issue people might have is if the end of the range is not present the marker defaults to the next highest skip level. This would tend to happen with short history files. The very high skip pairs are hard to forecast precisely. There is an area here that might need to be corrected but more of that some other time as it is not critical.
Play with the current setup of Sniper1 and you will see it makes sense in its forecasts. Be aware that sometimes you will be forecasting not the next 2 draws but the next 2 after that. You will also realise that you can start forecasting 2 draws ago and if the event does not happen in those 2 draws then watch out for the next draw. Also avoid using the full monty of trips and pairs-they could drive you to drink. Make up a whole bunch of flt files and call on them one by one. I think there are many things still to be discovered here.
One more thing. It would be handy if the draad,skipsitter and opening batsmen could be called upon for evaluation like automatically in the flt window
Remember if you cannot forecast reasonably accurately when one pair hits how can we forecast the remaining 5 for the Jackpot? We wanna make Lady Luck and St Jude unemployed.
Build 2 looks good to me. You sorted the ranges out. The only issue people might have is if the end of the range is not present the marker defaults to the next highest skip level. This would tend to happen with short history files. The very high skip pairs are hard to forecast precisely. There is an area here that might need to be corrected but more of that some other time as it is not critical.
Play with the current setup of Sniper1 and you will see it makes sense in its forecasts. Be aware that sometimes you will be forecasting not the next 2 draws but the next 2 after that. You will also realise that you can start forecasting 2 draws ago and if the event does not happen in those 2 draws then watch out for the next draw. Also avoid using the full monty of trips and pairs-they could drive you to drink. Make up a whole bunch of flt files and call on them one by one. I think there are many things still to be discovered here.
One more thing. It would be handy if the draad,skipsitter and opening batsmen could be called upon for evaluation like automatically in the flt window
Remember if you cannot forecast reasonably accurately when one pair hits how can we forecast the remaining 5 for the Jackpot? We wanna make Lady Luck and St Jude unemployed.