Patrick123
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From Win on Numbers:
# 8 was drawn Lunchtime 20th, (I never edited my date properly when I added the draw)
# 8 was drawn Lunchtime 20th, (I never edited my date properly when I added the draw)
Sangoma-number divination
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Patrick123
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You mean it does not only happen to me!!You are right about the "extra whirl". At lunch my favoured pair in my alpha file was 21,22. No 20 comes up. I feel like phoning them and complaining their results are wrong.
This is the first time this week where I failed to predict a pair in the very next draw and was quite a shock to get it wrong. Reminds me of an event in the Anglo-Boer war. The Boers invaded Natal and defeated the British at Talana. The general in charge was urged to ride on and capture Durban. He replied that when God gives you a finger you don't take the hand. Maybe I was trying to take the hand as well as the finger.
This is the first time this week where I failed to predict a pair in the very next draw and was quite a shock to get it wrong. Reminds me of an event in the Anglo-Boer war. The Boers invaded Natal and defeated the British at Talana. The general in charge was urged to ride on and capture Durban. He replied that when God gives you a finger you don't take the hand. Maybe I was trying to take the hand as well as the finger.
Patrick123
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These people 
We TELL them what numbers should be drawn.... and they can't even get that right!!
We TELL them what numbers should be drawn.... and they can't even get that right!!In-Betweeners
Here is another strategy for hunting number pairs. I call it the "in-betweener". These pairs lie between the opening batsmen and the skipsitters(draadsitters). These are easily recognized by the current ongoing skip of 1. Median is 2. Now if the previous skip cycles are above the median then they should hit within 4 draws.The more the previous consecutive skip cycles that show this the better. Test it and see for yourself the accuracy of this technique.
Here is another strategy for hunting number pairs. I call it the "in-betweener". These pairs lie between the opening batsmen and the skipsitters(draadsitters). These are easily recognized by the current ongoing skip of 1. Median is 2. Now if the previous skip cycles are above the median then they should hit within 4 draws.The more the previous consecutive skip cycles that show this the better. Test it and see for yourself the accuracy of this technique.
Patrick123
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Hi Springbok,
I'm still in the process of adding the 'skip of skips', and will add the 'In-betweeners' as well. The 'Double <= Medn' column should be able to assist you in evaluating this in the meantime.
Here is my selection of 19 balls for lunchtime today:
What I've found quite often, is that the predicted numbers, because they also contain a number of balls that are bubbling under, is still pretty valid for the following draw. Thus most of the balls that now get predicted for the new draw, will contain some of these balls. Their status however would change from 'Opening batsmen' to 'In-betweener' to 'skipsitter' accordingly.
Regards
Patrick
I'm still in the process of adding the 'skip of skips', and will add the 'In-betweeners' as well. The 'Double <= Medn' column should be able to assist you in evaluating this in the meantime.
Here is my selection of 19 balls for lunchtime today:
What I've found quite often, is that the predicted numbers, because they also contain a number of balls that are bubbling under, is still pretty valid for the following draw. Thus most of the balls that now get predicted for the new draw, will contain some of these balls. Their status however would change from 'Opening batsmen' to 'In-betweener' to 'skipsitter' accordingly.
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
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Not so much as an update, but more just added in some documentation into the program. That, and the reading of this thread, should be sufficient for most people to be able to make use of the program.
Regards
Patrick
Regards
Patrick
Patrick123
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Well only 3 balls came in, but then, I've skipped looking at the numbers over the weekend. This was just taking the balls that looked 'nice', a quick 2 minute summary of each of the categories, The only true way, is as Springbok does, and build up an intimate relationship with each ball on its journey to be drawn.
What I'm really interested in, is to see how many now reflect in the next draw. This would then confirm what barge and I spoke about, that we are actually predicting some balls the next draw or two into the future.
Springbok has done this as well, when the ball is selected via the 'N+4>=H', he is actually saying - keep an eye on that ball, it will likely hit within the next 4 draws.
For teatime ( 500 draw analysis):
Category Balls:
39 - gets reconfirmed via the N+x>=H Column.
27, 3 - got rebalanced so we skip them in this column instead we concentrate on 41 and 15.
39 - get confirmed on Simple, Basic and Detailed.
10 - get reconfirmed on Rebal Perc.
23 - has now hit twice on Double hit, so I would not play it again.
8 - has come in 66% of the times that it has been below median twice in a row, so we play it, and it is confirmed above.
31 - comes in 41% of the time with a hit miss hit, it is also confirmed above, so we play it.
27 - was predicted, and it came in. It now also becomes highly probable for re-balancing so we play it.
Category Pairs - Draw probability:
1 is screaming at us through N+x>=H, and was confirmed in our lunchtime prediction, 39 a close second.
Rebalance is showing too many in the same category, so I will skip that column and rely on the other columns, to fine tune them.
1,39,44 and 11 are jumping up and down, for the Simple, Basic & Detailed columns, reconfirming their positions.
Rebal Perc, now brings in 29 along with 39.
Double Hit Perc is telling me to look at 38. Balls 42 and 28 Hit on a 'Hit Mis Hit' basis, so I will give them a skip.
Double <= Median is telling me that 9 has hit 40% of the time that the previous 2 skips have been above the median, so we'll add it in.
37 is ripe for a hit miss hit and has a 29% probability.
26 is now also the rebalance median or 'In-betweener' of choice.
I would repeat this process for the trips as well. Then try and be as un-emotional as possible as I trim down the numbers to a suitable number of selections to play.
Regards
Patrick
What I'm really interested in, is to see how many now reflect in the next draw. This would then confirm what barge and I spoke about, that we are actually predicting some balls the next draw or two into the future.
Springbok has done this as well, when the ball is selected via the 'N+4>=H', he is actually saying - keep an eye on that ball, it will likely hit within the next 4 draws.
For teatime ( 500 draw analysis):
Category Balls:
39 - gets reconfirmed via the N+x>=H Column.
27, 3 - got rebalanced so we skip them in this column instead we concentrate on 41 and 15.
39 - get confirmed on Simple, Basic and Detailed.
10 - get reconfirmed on Rebal Perc.
23 - has now hit twice on Double hit, so I would not play it again.
8 - has come in 66% of the times that it has been below median twice in a row, so we play it, and it is confirmed above.
31 - comes in 41% of the time with a hit miss hit, it is also confirmed above, so we play it.
27 - was predicted, and it came in. It now also becomes highly probable for re-balancing so we play it.
Category Pairs - Draw probability:
1 is screaming at us through N+x>=H, and was confirmed in our lunchtime prediction, 39 a close second.
Rebalance is showing too many in the same category, so I will skip that column and rely on the other columns, to fine tune them.
1,39,44 and 11 are jumping up and down, for the Simple, Basic & Detailed columns, reconfirming their positions.
Rebal Perc, now brings in 29 along with 39.
Double Hit Perc is telling me to look at 38. Balls 42 and 28 Hit on a 'Hit Mis Hit' basis, so I will give them a skip.
Double <= Median is telling me that 9 has hit 40% of the time that the previous 2 skips have been above the median, so we'll add it in.
37 is ripe for a hit miss hit and has a 29% probability.
26 is now also the rebalance median or 'In-betweener' of choice.
I would repeat this process for the trips as well. Then try and be as un-emotional as possible as I trim down the numbers to a suitable number of selections to play.
Regards
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
Interesting time..well just to confuse all of us, I worked an 8x4 random grid back from today, and came up with 18 and 21. 21 is showing on the program, but not 18, watch WON space!
I haven't been having much success recently using either method, so don't risk anything on it!!
Interesting time..well just to confuse all of us, I worked an 8x4 random grid back from today, and came up with 18 and 21. 21 is showing on the program, but not 18, watch WON space!
I haven't been having much success recently using either method, so don't risk anything on it!!
Hello Barge
We are trying to avoid luck. We are trying to use skill. For example, look at the teatime draw. The alpha file I posted yesterday gave two trips for the teatime draw using opening batsmen and skipsitter techniques. The two trips were {1,2,3} and {43,44,45}. They were screaming at you. You got the file, stick them on the programme and run the analysis. Sort the current skip column and look. They were shouting, screaming, jumping up and down and waving at you. These techniques are magic.
We are trying to avoid luck. We are trying to use skill. For example, look at the teatime draw. The alpha file I posted yesterday gave two trips for the teatime draw using opening batsmen and skipsitter techniques. The two trips were {1,2,3} and {43,44,45}. They were screaming at you. You got the file, stick them on the programme and run the analysis. Sort the current skip column and look. They were shouting, screaming, jumping up and down and waving at you. These techniques are magic.
Hi Barge
I just realised I did not post the alpha3 trip file. This is the one I used for the teatime draw. Test it and see what I mean.
alpha3
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 11 12
13 14 15
16 17 18
19 20 21
22 23 24
25 26 27
28 29 30
31 32 33
34 35 36
37 38 39
40 41 42
43 44 45
46 47 48
I just realised I did not post the alpha3 trip file. This is the one I used for the teatime draw. Test it and see what I mean.
alpha3
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 11 12
13 14 15
16 17 18
19 20 21
22 23 24
25 26 27
28 29 30
31 32 33
34 35 36
37 38 39
40 41 42
43 44 45
46 47 48
Springbok
Many thanks for the data, I am suitably humbled. I have not as yet produced Alpha files, but clearly will have to do so ASAP. I have been up to my ears in offspring problems over the past week or so, and needed a little light relief......
Meanwhile, don't take my flip comments too much to heart, I do take this research seriously.
Many thanks for the data, I am suitably humbled. I have not as yet produced Alpha files, but clearly will have to do so ASAP. I have been up to my ears in offspring problems over the past week or so, and needed a little light relief......
Meanwhile, don't take my flip comments too much to heart, I do take this research seriously.
Looking at lunchtime(Tuesday), two pairs look good to hit then. {1,39} is a median sitter and {4,7} historical high. The only thing that goes against them is that the last 4 draws the numbers in column one have been on or below the median of 5 for that column. This would mean that number 1 and 4 will not come out lunchtime as we expect a number greater than 5 to occupy column 1. Of course they could hit in the following three draws. If I was betting on them I would probably wait for teatime.
Hi Springbok,
Interesting, what size database do you usually use, and is the real dbase converted to an alpha style file, or do you utilise alpha files separately? I'm asking this in the context of (now) having Patrick123's software,ie have you altered your approach ?
Today, I had picked on 1,39, but not 4,7.
Interesting, what size database do you usually use, and is the real dbase converted to an alpha style file, or do you utilise alpha files separately? I'm asking this in the context of (now) having Patrick123's software,ie have you altered your approach ?
Today, I had picked on 1,39, but not 4,7.
Hi Barge
I use 200 draws for opening batsmen. etc. If I am after highs then I use 1000 draws. In this case the 200 draw result gave a high of 16 for{4,70} which was OK. I wont touch a high lower than that at the moment. My alpha beta etc files have been ported to winnalotto. They have to be written in the way I posted them a few posts ago. In my home grown stuff they are embedded in the VB 6 programme so I have to dig them out and write them in files which can be read by winnalotto. In winnaloto they do not need an identifying pseudo number as you can see the pairs and or trips on the extreme left.
I use 200 draws for opening batsmen. etc. If I am after highs then I use 1000 draws. In this case the 200 draw result gave a high of 16 for{4,70} which was OK. I wont touch a high lower than that at the moment. My alpha beta etc files have been ported to winnalotto. They have to be written in the way I posted them a few posts ago. In my home grown stuff they are embedded in the VB 6 programme so I have to dig them out and write them in files which can be read by winnalotto. In winnaloto they do not need an identifying pseudo number as you can see the pairs and or trips on the extreme left.
Hi Patrick
Thinking about the programme, would it be possible for it to search for the opening batsmen, in-betweeners and draadsitters. For example the pair median for skip sitters is 2. You want the programme to pull out favourable skipsitters who have a current median of 2 and the previous3,4 and 5 skip cycles have all ended above the median. The same would apply to the other techniques according to their median and current skip. This would save much scrolling when you are in full bore mode(as in all the pairs and trips are on the screen. It would obviate the need to flick through the alpha bravo etc files in search for the holy grails.
Thinking about the programme, would it be possible for it to search for the opening batsmen, in-betweeners and draadsitters. For example the pair median for skip sitters is 2. You want the programme to pull out favourable skipsitters who have a current median of 2 and the previous3,4 and 5 skip cycles have all ended above the median. The same would apply to the other techniques according to their median and current skip. This would save much scrolling when you are in full bore mode(as in all the pairs and trips are on the screen. It would obviate the need to flick through the alpha bravo etc files in search for the holy grails.
Patrick123
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Hi Springbok,
The reason why I've been so scarce is that I'm trying to add in the kinds of filters that you've just suggested well a little more detailed, so that we can experiment with it. I hope to have it finished within a day or two.
I'll keep you guys posted.
Regards
Patrick
The reason why I've been so scarce is that I'm trying to add in the kinds of filters that you've just suggested
well a little more detailed, so that we can experiment with it. I hope to have it finished within a day or two.I'll keep you guys posted.
Regards
Patrick