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Sheba said:There will be allot of people viewing this post so post a reply while you are here... Even just to say hello I am from ????...
Sheba..
Hello Sheba. Im from the other side of the globe. Its the middle of Winter and I need a holiday.
Darn I dont have any holiday leave left.
Rob50 said:Well, I think it the same way, but then what do you think the lotto-softwares are there for?
The Programs are there to make people rich because they were smart enough to relize you cannnot predict the Lotto numbers and they could write software...wish I could have written a program for Lotto ...I play the same 2 lines now for years and wish I never because Like you said in your signature, insta piks are just as good...
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red0412303609
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Im trying to run some lotto programs from win 98 to win xp- but dont have any luck-- any suggestions??? please
Im trying to run some lotto programs from win 98 to win xp- but dont have any luck-- any suggestions??? please
Grandmaster
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Yes, I believe.
No luck involved.
Regards
Ok I'll stop lurking and bite. I'm with Grandmaster's side.
I know that nothing I say will change anyone's mind as you are all fairly firm in your beliefs and various opinions. Your beliefs/your experience reinforce each other. Here's a rub: what you believe/experience can make a difference.
(Do I sound like GH already?-hopefully not.)
I think (believe) and I've experienced that sometimes you can beat the Q-piks odds by going with a combination of a system that works for you and intuition. I've done it numerous times, not in a big way but still, better than the Q-pik odds. You may not believe me and would want to see the proof. Sorry, there's a saying: "discretion is the better part of valour".
This doesn't mean that a systems player will hit the jackpot. It also fairly rare that such a player will be financially further ahead in the long run, but I wouldn't rule that possibility out.
The whole premise of this board is to see if the Q-pik odds can be beaten. I would wager the majority and even especially the lurkers here would like to see this proven true. Otherwise this board wouldn't exist....
Btw, the people who post the same numbers every draw if those are the numbers they are actually playing, must have some stakes in this board other than lotto - i.e. the board itself must be providing them with a gain in some other way. LT's position is pretty transparent. As for the rest?
Might the lotto be rigged? This would definitely favour the Q-pik player if that is the case. Do we live in a free world or not? You decide.
I know that nothing I say will change anyone's mind as you are all fairly firm in your beliefs and various opinions. Your beliefs/your experience reinforce each other. Here's a rub: what you believe/experience can make a difference.
(Do I sound like GH already?-hopefully not.)
I think (believe) and I've experienced that sometimes you can beat the Q-piks odds by going with a combination of a system that works for you and intuition. I've done it numerous times, not in a big way but still, better than the Q-pik odds. You may not believe me and would want to see the proof. Sorry, there's a saying: "discretion is the better part of valour".
This doesn't mean that a systems player will hit the jackpot. It also fairly rare that such a player will be financially further ahead in the long run, but I wouldn't rule that possibility out.
The whole premise of this board is to see if the Q-pik odds can be beaten. I would wager the majority and even especially the lurkers here would like to see this proven true. Otherwise this board wouldn't exist....
Btw, the people who post the same numbers every draw if those are the numbers they are actually playing, must have some stakes in this board other than lotto - i.e. the board itself must be providing them with a gain in some other way. LT's position is pretty transparent. As for the rest?
Might the lotto be rigged? This would definitely favour the Q-pik player if that is the case. Do we live in a free world or not? You decide.
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Now having come out in support of (well, broadly speaking, anyway......) 'Grandmaster's side' of being a "believer", I pose some questions to Grandmaster:
What do you think a person can do to influence or control the odds in their favour? What conditions or methods are useful? Why do you believe?
PS: But maybe I'm talking to the wrong fellow. Grandmaster, is that really you? What happened to your old signature and avatar?
What do you think a person can do to influence or control the odds in their favour? What conditions or methods are useful? Why do you believe?
PS: But maybe I'm talking to the wrong fellow. Grandmaster, is that really you?
What happened to your old signature and avatar? Well, fair enough Mirage, you have made your point.
The beauty of living in a free country is:
-You can believe what the others don't
-You are not forced to believe what the others do.
-You are not forced even to believe that the Earth turns around the Sun, especially knowing that all the apparent and visible evidences show that is the Sun that turns around the Earth.
-Nobody will force you to reveal the numbers your intuition combined with a certain system will whisper in your ears, or how your intuition works. The intuition has most of the time preceded the important discoveries. I admit, sometimes also the lotto numbers. (This does not mean that the odds have been improved)
The odds of a 6/49 line to hit the jackpot are unchangeable and don't depend on any intuitions. This is a mathematical fact, this is a little bit like the Earth turning around the Sun. But as we said nobody will force you to believe it. You are still free to believe that the Sun turns around the Earth. This is, very naive, yes, but also totally harmless (unless you are working for NASA).
I very much liked the remark about this forum. The reason of the very existence of this forum would cease immediately once everybody will understand that it is the Earth that turns around the Sun. And who knows the lotto itself would loose many of its customers.
On the other hand, I understand it is really very frustrating playing the lotto, being aware that it is just and merely a matter of luck. It happens to me every Friday when I play my QPs in Super7.
And don't forget, producing and selling lotto software has become a lucrative industry, do you know why?
My best wishes and good luck (just LUCK!)
Rob
The beauty of living in a free country is:
-You can believe what the others don't
-You are not forced to believe what the others do.
-You are not forced even to believe that the Earth turns around the Sun, especially knowing that all the apparent and visible evidences show that is the Sun that turns around the Earth.
-Nobody will force you to reveal the numbers your intuition combined with a certain system will whisper in your ears, or how your intuition works. The intuition has most of the time preceded the important discoveries. I admit, sometimes also the lotto numbers. (This does not mean that the odds have been improved)
The odds of a 6/49 line to hit the jackpot are unchangeable and don't depend on any intuitions. This is a mathematical fact, this is a little bit like the Earth turning around the Sun. But as we said nobody will force you to believe it. You are still free to believe that the Sun turns around the Earth. This is, very naive, yes, but also totally harmless (unless you are working for NASA).
I very much liked the remark about this forum. The reason of the very existence of this forum would cease immediately once everybody will understand that it is the Earth that turns around the Sun. And who knows the lotto itself would loose many of its customers.
On the other hand, I understand it is really very frustrating playing the lotto, being aware that it is just and merely a matter of luck. It happens to me every Friday when I play my QPs in Super7.
And don't forget, producing and selling lotto software has become a lucrative industry, do you know why?
My best wishes and good luck (just LUCK!)
Rob
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Brad
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Mirage makes some good points, esp when addressing the 'mindset' of this BB. I think it can be said there are basically two camps of beliefs on whether lottery draws are a truly random issue, and it's also safe to say this Forum caters primarily to the non-believers.
By non-believers I mean there are ppl who do think that some biases can occur in drawings, whether very small or temporary or barely perceptible, which if detected with lots of hard work can be used to the advantage of the player. Maybe not to the point of being able to utilize the bias in winning a JP but enough to win a few more bucks than random odds would dictate and thus keep their lotto spending down.
From what I've read so far I think that both the con and pro-random camps agree that playing more lines improves the chances of snagging a prize, so being able to use biases is a potential means to that end. Win more often, play more lines, better your chances within a pre-set spending limit ... that sort of thing.
So to come to a pro-bias BB (just made up a new word, lol) and repeatedly profess the truly random mantra is basically pointless IMO, because at best it will result in a re-hash of beliefs from both sides. Often it will lead to digs and barbs which may or may not be amusing.
This also makes me think that some who repeatedly engage in this activity maybe doing it for their own amusement rather than to prove a point, otherwise why bother? State the case once or risk sounding like a broken record ...
Ppl have different hobbies and interests, and if one of them happens to be searching for real or imaginary biases in lottos they most likely won't listen to someone who tells them they know better ... the pro-bias camp will keep on going until it either finds one or gets tired of looking and tries a different hobby
my 2 cents
PS I do agree there are a lot of sharks in the lotto-sw pool but there are free wares to play around with too, usually made by bias enthusiasts
By non-believers I mean there are ppl who do think that some biases can occur in drawings, whether very small or temporary or barely perceptible, which if detected with lots of hard work can be used to the advantage of the player. Maybe not to the point of being able to utilize the bias in winning a JP but enough to win a few more bucks than random odds would dictate and thus keep their lotto spending down.
From what I've read so far I think that both the con and pro-random camps agree that playing more lines improves the chances of snagging a prize, so being able to use biases is a potential means to that end. Win more often, play more lines, better your chances within a pre-set spending limit ... that sort of thing.
So to come to a pro-bias BB (just made up a new word, lol) and repeatedly profess the truly random mantra is basically pointless IMO, because at best it will result in a re-hash of beliefs from both sides. Often it will lead to digs and barbs which may or may not be amusing.
This also makes me think that some who repeatedly engage in this activity maybe doing it for their own amusement rather than to prove a point, otherwise why bother? State the case once or risk sounding like a broken record ...
Ppl have different hobbies and interests, and if one of them happens to be searching for real or imaginary biases in lottos they most likely won't listen to someone who tells them they know better ... the pro-bias camp will keep on going until it either finds one or gets tired of looking and tries a different hobby
my 2 cents
PS I do agree there are a lot of sharks in the lotto-sw pool but there are free wares to play around with too, usually made by bias enthusiasts
Brad, since you mentioned the risk of sounding like a broken record, I understand you belong to the camp of non-believers (just using your term, hoping this way you can understand better), and I will take this risk for once more. Whether it is for my amusements, or for trying to prove an already very evident point I will leave this with you (certainly if you would bother to). I propose for all the non-believers a very simple exercise. Tossing a dice can result in only 6 outcomes. Just give it a try to find any bias tossing a common dice 1000 times, or 10000 times. It is something worthy to do because this way one can understand how the “bias” works in a very, very simple case compared to the gigantic almost 14 million outcome case of 6/49 lottery. After that, if, and I am emphasizing if, anybody would be able to improve the odds of predicting the dice outcome, the first step in understanding how the bias in a 6/49 lottery works can be considered as achieved.
There is one more point, which is not clear for me. When you say “bias”, do you mean something that is inserted intentionally by the lotto corporation (s), or do you mean a natural, spontaneous and uncontrollable bias strictly related to the non-perfect apparatus that is used to draw the lottery. This is important, because, though the result would be the same (the impossibility to predict the lotto outcomes even knowing what the bias is) the statistical explanation would be different.
If being a non-believer and thinking and hoping that somewhere, sometime, somebody will handle the so called bias, works like a joint of pot, I am very sorry to have disturbed the whole camp of non-believers, although as you Brad say: “…most likely won't listen to someone who tells them they know better ...”
PS To avoid any confusion, "non-believer" is somebody who thinks that there is a bias in the lotto draws, according to Brad terminology used in the previous post
There is one more point, which is not clear for me. When you say “bias”, do you mean something that is inserted intentionally by the lotto corporation (s), or do you mean a natural, spontaneous and uncontrollable bias strictly related to the non-perfect apparatus that is used to draw the lottery. This is important, because, though the result would be the same (the impossibility to predict the lotto outcomes even knowing what the bias is) the statistical explanation would be different.
If being a non-believer and thinking and hoping that somewhere, sometime, somebody will handle the so called bias, works like a joint of pot, I am very sorry to have disturbed the whole camp of non-believers, although as you Brad say: “…most likely won't listen to someone who tells them they know better ...”
PS To avoid any confusion, "non-believer" is somebody who thinks that there is a bias in the lotto draws, according to Brad terminology used in the previous post
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Grandmaster
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Hi mirage,
I believe that beating the odds is possible because lotto is not Random, there is a finite limit of numbers (ex.13,983,816 in Pick 6/49), prediction could be tested with past numbers.
You could eliminate unlikely combinations almost 4 million numbers of the 13,983,816 and still could win about 90% of time.
With Pick 3, Pick 4 and Pick 5 is more easy to make predictions because there are less numbers involved.
I am trying to eliminate the "luck effect", if I win a prize is not by luck, it is by the prediction method.
Yes, I am. I changed the avatar.
Regards