Winning idea for pairs similar to sangoma (need some programming skills though)

[jokerh1977]

I've never run these wheels through analysis, they are custom. I was hoping to run it through the spreadsheet, but that version never got released here. The 2 key set has from 17 to 30 number pool wheels. Up to about 25 number pool it is under $50, the upper ones still under $100.

Am working on an alternate program version. There's no real reason to have to sort through the entire pair sets looking for a single pair. The BPMedD filter almost always pulls up 2 or more numbers (usually 3 or 4) and since I save this off anyways I'm gonna load it in and filter the pairs with those numbers.

This should cut the 741 pairs down to about 300 or so (usually 18-25 numbers get pulled up in the filter). Since I know there is a pair at least that will hit, I'll just have to backtest and see how they run. I've tracked the filter for about 2 months now and it's really rare to only have 1 number come up. Yes you could use a alpha number file (provided you put only 1 number per line) if you are using numbers selected by some other filter or program.

I always save off the filter output so have two months+ of files I can backtest with just to see if results run in cycles or how far off the medians fluctuate.

My plans are similar to yours I if I understand you correctly. I agree that sorting through entire pair sets is cumbersome, ESPECIALLY if someone is working with a 6/49 file. I like using my Bernoulli table in excel to shave off several unlikely numbers from my pool. I have to say it's accurate fairly regularly. If there are multiple pairs that are likely, then I start looking at a small pool of expected numbers to help me make my choice of my single pair.

Nobody has made a pair program like this before (as best I know) so it will take some experimenting to get the best results. If I can bullseye a pair (semi-regularly) then jackpots are within our grasp.

On a side note, I too was thinking of how wheeling can be incorporated to maximize potential. I'd like to come up with a good 2 key number wheel for my 4/24. I know Ininuga and Covermaster don't have the option to provide for key numbers. Any ideas?

 

[struxo]

I think you can make those wheels in Ininuga or Covermaster.
If you have 4/24, you choose 2 key numbers then you have 2/22. Just experiment with that. If you play with 10 numbers then test wheel 10,2,1,2 it's 10 numbers in wheel, 2 numbers to be drawn, 1 number guaranty if 2 numbers are drawn from those 10.
That means if your 2 key numbers are drawn and 2 more from those 10 then you have at least 1 line with 3 numbers.

Happy hunting

struxo

 

[jokerh1977]

I think you can make those wheels in Ininuga or Covermaster.
If you have 4/24, you choose 2 key numbers then you have 2/22. Just experiment with that. If you play with 10 numbers then test wheel 10,2,1,2 it's 10 numbers in wheel, 2 numbers to be drawn, 1 number guaranty if 2 numbers are drawn from those 10.
That means if your 2 key numbers are drawn and 2 more from those 10 then you have at least 1 line with 3 numbers.

Happy hunting

struxo

Thanks Struxo! After typing that last night I started playing around again with covermaster and thought "duh" why didn't I think of that. Boy, working 12 hour shifts at the hospital can make ya stupid .

On another note: The more I think about selecting pairs below the 25% mark, the more I like it. I wish my lottos had a longer history. At least my 4/24 is daily!

 

[HalfBee]

Does the 4/24 have a website to download history data file? Kind of curious about how much an average draw pays. The odds sound good, doing a wheel with only 2 numbers should let you cover quite a pool for reasonably low cost. I've been thinking of some similar wheel for EuroMillions lucky star (not that I play it, just for prediction purposes).

 

[jokerh1977]

Does the 4/24 have a website to download history data file? Kind of curious about how much an average draw pays. The odds sound good, doing a wheel with only 2 numbers should let you cover quite a pool for reasonably low cost. I've been thinking of some similar wheel for EuroMillions lucky star (not that I play it, just for prediction purposes).

Unfortunately no. Thats why I dont have draw numbers or dates. 4/4 pays 10,000; 3/4 pays 20; and 2/4 pays 2. Tickets cost 2 bucks each. It is a really new game (40 or so draws). So for now Im kinda hopping between my 5/39 game too. Take a look at walottery dot com.

 

[HalfBee]

Ok, got it... In a day or two I'll whip out a results sucker program to make nice comma lists from their website results pages (lol they love it when you do that).

Lucky it offers a year selection mode, with CA Fantasy 5 I wanted how many winners/average prize payouts per game and needed to go draw by draw through their database banging against their web server over and over. Yes they offer draw numbers for download but I wanted number of winners and that's only displayed on an individual draw basis.

It should work until they change their site design. Not sure yet, but will probably do all the lottery games except daily game, keno, and MegaMillions (which is available to download at other state sites).

 

[jokerh1977]

You da man!

Ok, got it... In a day or two I'll whip out a results sucker program to make nice comma lists from their website results pages (lol they love it when you do that).

Lucky it offers a year selection mode, with CA Fantasy 5 I wanted how many winners/average prize payouts per game and needed to go draw by draw through their database banging against their web server over and over. Yes they offer draw numbers for download but I wanted number of winners and that's only displayed on an individual draw basis.

It should work until they change their site design. Not sure yet, but will probably do all the lottery games except daily game, keno, and MegaMillions (which is available to download at other state sites).

I stand in awe!!! Ha ha you are a genius! The really cool thing is... they just changed their site 2 weeks ago. YES! You rock!

 

[yiyi2780]

Hi, HalfBee, I can't start your program, it says a error to initialize, can you help me? Thanks you!

 

[HalfBee]

Hi, HalfBee, I can't start your program, it says a error to initialize, can you help me? Thanks you!

Wecome to the thread yiyi...

Sounds like you don't have .Net 2.0 installed (minimum needed). Without knowing your system it's hard to say. This program I didn't check on my laptop (I'll do that tomorrow) like I did the previous one (BPskipper).

I put these out in a 'raw' version rather than go through the whole Microsoft installer process, adding in items MS thinks you should have above and beyond what is actually used by the programs. The zip file contains the two .Net 3.5 dlls needed and they should be left in the same folder as the program after you unzip it. Hope that points you in the right direction.

 

[yiyi2780]

Hi, HalfBee, Thank you for your help, as a PC blind, I really have to wait until you make your program "cooked". jokerh1977's idea sounds very interesting. Btw I am fr Singapore, the game here is 6/45

 

[turtle0747]

Trouble loading file

Wecome to the thread yiyi...

Sounds like you don't have .Net 2.0 installed (minimum needed). Without knowing your system it's hard to say. This program I didn't check on my laptop (I'll do that tomorrow) like I did the previous one (BPskipper).

I put these out in a 'raw' version rather than go through the whole Microsoft installer process, adding in items MS thinks you should have above and beyond what is actually used by the programs. The zip file contains the two .Net 3.5 dlls needed and they should be left in the same folder as the program after you unzip it. Hope that points you in the right direction.

I am having trouble loading my file. I have balls as 6 and highest number as 53 with date file checked. I have data setup as comma and it is a text file .txt. This is what I am getting.

System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Value of '925' is not valid for 'Value'. 'Value' should be between 'minimum' and 'maximum'.
My file looks like this:
10/23/1999,11,20,23,33,37,47
10/27/1999,11,16,17,22,33,53

Any help?

Thanks

 

[HalfBee]

Turtle,
Which version are you using? (a, b or c)
I copied and pasted the two lines you show (about 25 times) and they worked fine. Open it in wordpad and see if there's anything out of whack somewhere in the data file. Is it the import part that gives the error, or when you tell it to get skips? Just trying to track it down since as usual the error message don't really give me a lot of details to find the offending section.

 

[turtle0747]

Trouble Loading

Turtle,
Which version are you using? (a, b or c)
I copied and pasted the two lines you show (about 25 times) and they worked fine. Open it in wordpad and see if there's anything out of whack somewhere in the data file. Is it the import part that gives the error, or when you tell it to get skips? Just trying to track it down since as usual the error message don't really give me a lot of details to find the offending section.

I am using c. The import is giving me problems. The file will load in Winnalotto. Some of my numbers 1-9 have leading zeros, some don't.
I tried the same you did and still get this error. I use 6 balls with 53 as highest number, data setup comma, Just date field checked, and import.

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Here is my file
10/23/1999,11,20,23,33,37,47
10/27/1999,11,16,17,22,33,53
10/30/1999,01,10,18,27,29,36
11/03/1999,08,20,23,30,43,49
11/06/1999,05,06,29,46,48,53
11/10/1999,15,17,27,30,45,53
11/13/1999,04,14,28,35,36,50
11/17/1999,05,13,39,47,51,52
11/20/1999,11,14,25,26,31,34
11/24/1999,11,18,20,23,33,48
11/27/1999,16,21,22,24,45,50
12/01/1999,02,05,18,34,47,52
12/04/1999,08,12,15,28,41,47
12/08/1999,12,13,15,27,31,40
12/11/1999,11,14,17,19,28,34
12/15/1999,06,18,32,36,46,48
12/18/1999,03,12,14,44,46,52
12/22/1999,07,13,18,24,29,39
12/25/1999,04,12,23,32,41,42
12/29/1999,13,16,19,25,38,47
01/01/2000,08,14,19,26,36,47
01/05/2000,05,17,30,38,42,50
01/08/2000,06,19,20,23,26,51
01/12/2000,07,32,33,35,37,46
01/15/2000,15,19,23,27,39,48
01/19/2000,01,02,03,17,28,39
01/22/2000,11,15,16,25,36,42
01/26/2000,16,23,27,28,38,42
01/29/2000,08,11,14,17,49,51
02/02/2000,01,12,24,34,38,44
02/05/2000,13,21,27,47,49,51
02/09/2000,02,03,10,16,17,21
02/12/2000,03,08,10,19,28,45
02/16/2000,01,23,26,35,38,45
02/19/2000,11,30,33,38,44,52
02/23/2000,02,21,28,32,44,51

 

[HalfBee]

Ok, download and unzip version C again. I found the problem, and it wasn't your data. It was the stupid progress bar, normally I use a set value for increasing it but this time I got lazy and just added 1 each time.

 

[turtle0747]

Thanks HalfBee from turtle0747

Ok, download and unzip version C again. I found the problem, and it wasn't your data. It was the stupid progress bar, normally I use a set value for increasing it but this time I got lazy and just added 1 each time.

Great work! It is working. Am working on the Fla lotto - $32 mil. Have also been working on the 'last digit theory'. I keep track of last digit occurences.
921 2 9 0 4 9 3 * 1 2 1 1 2 2
922 6 2 2 3 9 1 * 2 1 1 1 1 3
923 4 6 9 2 0 3 * 2 1 1 1 2 1
924 1 3 4 6 4 5 * 2 1 1 1 1 6
925 4 4 2 4 0 2 * 1 1 2 1 2 2
925 is my last drawing. First 6 numbers are the last digit of each number and the last 6 numbers are the last drawing it occured.
MY last calc came up with 30 numbers and all 6 were in there. Now I need some good filters to narrow the numbers down some more.
Thanks again - turtle0747

 

[turtle0747]

Hello HalfBee from turtle0747

Ok, download and unzip version C again. I found the problem, and it wasn't your data. It was the stupid progress bar, normally I use a set value for increasing it but this time I got lazy and just added 1 each time.

Forgot to ask. How do I interpret the right side?
Here is some examples:
Pair Hits CurSkip SkipList
23 33 10 0 0,8,482,2,68,167,117,18,4,8
20 23 15 0 0,2,5,12,203,88,29,37,51,3,146,96,94,90,38
11 20 12 0 0,8,64,167,71,110,13,29,14,176,65,33
37 47 12 0 0,121,28,27,150,61,1,50,39,237,27,158

12 29 2 510 510,238
13 46 6 534 534,0,28,105,163,16
34 46 6 535 535,88,33,163,4,23
1 25 5 572 572,20,147,23,131
14 53 2 608 608,174
20 53 3 729 729,132,50

 

[HalfBee]

Forgot to ask. How do I interpret the right side?
Here is some examples:
Pair Hits CurSkip SkipList
23 33 10 0 0,8,482,2,68,167,117,18,4,8

12 29 2 510 510,238

Well it's just the skip list for the pair as a whole. Joker says you should look at either just below the median current skip, or at current skips that are about 1/2 that value (the value varies by lottery type). I haven't been able to find a relationship for a full pair yet, usually 1 number of the pair does show but not the full pair.

You might look at the current draw (the one with 0 current skip) and see what is in skip 2 & 3 to see if there is some range that keeps appearing.

 

[HalfBee]

Let's see... Today either 17-23 or 11-17 for Fantasy 5.

I took the mid range of skips 2 & 3 of current skip 0s. Went down the list and checked how many times an individual number showed up in each of these ranges. I then took the three that showed up the most often and then checked these as pairs. Two of the 3 were in the ranges I checked. Will see how it checks out tonight and if this method works...

 

[HalfBee]

Let's see... Today either 17-23 or 11-17 for Fantasy 5.

Well that didn't work out... will have to go back and check some more...

 

[jokerh1977]

Let's see... Today either 17-23 or 11-17 for Fantasy 5.

I took the mid range of skips 2 & 3 of current skip 0s. Went down the list and checked how many times an individual number showed up in each of these ranges. I then took the three that showed up the most often and then checked these as pairs. Two of the 3 were in the ranges I checked. Will see how it checks out tonight and if this method works...

That's an interesting idea HalfBee! Look, don't get discouraged. Like I said before this is a method that requires some time. I have several methods that are good for small wins. Nailing a pair is shooting for the gold though. This method is trying for the jackpot.

This is what I'm going to experiment with over the next couple weeks: I'm going for under 33%. This is a little quicker than choosing the median 50% mark. So that means for those playing 5/39 approx 30 draws. Find some pairs that are currently at 20 or so skips. Now, look at the previous skips... the pair with the most consecutive hits over 30 skips is our pair. Stick with this pair EVERY draw UNTIL you hit OR go over 30 skips.

It really isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of when. When it does it you have dropped a 1 in 575,757 to approx 1 in 7700. That is incredible! Would you be happy if even once every couple of weeks you had that possibility?

Another idea to choose a pair is to find a promising single number. Say perhaps the lowest hitting number in the last 50 draws. (Just an example k?) Now look at it's pairs. Choose the pair that has the most hits over it's median but is now under it's median.

Once we have mastered picking our pair we must improve the odds even more. That is what I'm working on now. I've been doing a lot of thinking concerning positional possibilities for our pair. We can slash the odds even more (with minimal risk) if we are careful. I've just worked a 14 hour shift and I'm completely exhausted. I'll elaborate tomorrow on what I'm talking about.