Winnalotto-Sangoma 2

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Springbok

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Hi Bloubul

I had a look at that draw. I tell you this, that draw was totally unwinnable. The only people who would have had a chance would have been people who choose numbers from their birthdays, month they were born and looking at car number plates. The filter metrics produced by Bright6 were totally wacky.
 
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joesam

Member
Hi Bloubul & Springbok

I think sharing of numbers sounds like a good idea. I still am struggling to understand the winnalotto software. So, I use whatever I can from winnalotto and also play using lds (my old method).

So, let us begin to discuss Wednesdays numbers!
 
bloubul

bloubul

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Hi joesam

Die week sal maar moeilik gaan, want ek is op die pad, maar ek sal jou dop hou. Ek sal die naweek myne gee.

BlouBul :cool:
 
blitzed

blitzed

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Springbok said:
I had a look at that draw. I tell you this, that draw was totally unwinnable. The only people who would have had a chance would have been people who choose numbers from their birthdays, month they were born and looking at car number plates. The filter metrics produced by Bright6 were totally wacky.
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draws comprised entirely of birthdates suck, unless recent draws have been oversaturated with upper 30's and numbers in the 40's.

oh and 4 consecutive numbers stink:dang: also, pari-mutuel games sure have crappy payouts for prizes from such combos...maybe 1/5 the usual prize:rolling:

cya,
blitzed:thumb:
 
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Springbok

Member
Hello Joesam

Google your way to lotto Logix and click on wheeling and experiment with the wheels offered there. A wheel uses a limited pool of numbers. The aim is to capture a subset of 3 numbers in a certain amount of combinations provided the three or more winning numbers are in the pool. Each wheel offers certain guarantees. Wheels are partial in that they can never offer a 100% guarantee. A full wheel covers all eventualities. If you want to win the 6/49 game a full wheel would have nearly 14 million combinations. If you want to capture 3 numbers in the game there is a wheel which has around 160 combinations. You will catch 3 numbers in every draw. The only problem is that it will cost you £160 to win £10. Lotto trix offers a 54 combination wheel to catch 2 numbers every draw. The only problem it will cost you £54 to win £0. Experiment with wheels youself to see whatsup. After a while consign wheels to the rubbish basket for recycling.
 
Patrick123

Patrick123

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Good Morning Everyone,

Happy Birthday for 2 days ago joesam.

Well I must agree, the Lotto numbers were totally out of whack. I am extremely surprised anyone got it. I presume it must have been one or two large syndicates or as Springbok suggested, people with favourite dates, 31 and below are usually selected more often for that reason.

In saying that, I was however able to get a row of 3 and a row of 3 plus BB.

My selections came from:

Hist High 28 38 5 30 34 42
Cold 44
Draadsitters 10 16
Uboat 21 22 25 45 48
YoYo Up High Prob 8 18
InBetweener 10 19 20 49
FulHouse6 4 19 30 27 28 29 42

I expected a low total, a double pair or trip (digit ending). I also expected a 4 digit ending to come in and relied on 34 and 44 to do this job for me.

The 7 and 9 were definitely unpredictable and even though we see the draws 'live', I can definitely see the angle that Moses stipulates regarding the draws.

I agree with Springbok, abbreviated wheeling will ensure that you get at most about 3 or 4 balls in with a draw. There are methods though to optimise the wheel with relation to digit endings, sum totals, odds & evens etc. this I feel will put you at the next level, up to 5 balls or possible 5 + bonus.

The best method I see, would be to generate all the possible combinations the your selected numbers, then applying tertiary filters, remove the impossible and unlikely selections, making your criteria tighter & tighter until you end up with the required number of rows you want to play.

Regards
Patrick
 
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Springbok

Member
Hello Patrick

I am going to offer some suggestions for the program. The first one will mirror my VB 6 stuff. Assume you load an alpha type filter ie
1, 2
3,4
5,6
....
47, 48

the program then reads the data base and converts the numbers into that format and writes to another file calling it say alpha. When you look at the result each combination represents a pool of 12 numbers. The question is what is the repeat cycle of each pool. I have found that the median is around 20,000. Which means that 50% of the time the previous 20,000 combinations representing 20,000 pools of 12 numbers are no hopers. Of course no real lottery draw has that many combinations so we have to produce simulated draws of 30 to 40 thousand. Now assume you have a few combinations you want to play and they have repeated in the last 20,000 combinations then eliminate them as no hopers.
If I remember correctly there are 15,000 possible pools of 12 numbers.
 
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Springbok

Member
Hi Patrick

Oops, the previous median is wrong. So far it is 210,000 and counting for the 7/49 game. You would be looking at using a database of around 300,000. You would need to have a couple of databases to hunt down which way the draw will swing around the median. My VB6 does the conversions reasonably quickly in under 30 seconds.
 
Patrick123

Patrick123

Member
Hi Springbok,
Thanks, I'll have a go and see if I can get something working there. I added Moses' number table into Winnalotto to evaluate the use of it as a tertiary filter. What I have noticed, using it, at best it matches about 5 numbers if you only enter the 7 numbers from the draw. The problem now is, as you extra numbers, the selection expands virtually exponentially. ie. For the SA Saturday draw, There are 4 Rows with a match 5. now if I add a single ball extra, this expands to 15 Rows of Match 5. One more ball, and it jumps to 28 rows.

Very likely I'll use it along similar concepts to your above post, to eliminate 'used' rows and see what's left.

Regards
Patrick
 
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Springbok

Member
Hi Patrick

I have been messing around with an alpha file(going up in pairs consecutively). I created about 520,000 alpha combinations randomly and smacked the alphaed real draws on top. I then invoked Bright6. I set the filters realistically. For example I excluded the last 500,000 draws. I deleted 6 numbers from the pool of 24 and used a realistic filter which limited the pool to the last 6 draws. I then fired up a combination generating program which spat out 10 and then stopped. What was interesting if you could pick two pairs beforehand using the Sangoma techniques the winning group of 6 pairs could be identified. There was only one out of the ten. This brings you into 64 combos of the jackpot. The only thing is that excluding 500,000 draws would only occur 2 or 3 times a year. One way to overcome the problem is to create a number of 500,000 alpha combos and try and pick the one or two or even 3 that would hit above the median of around 260,000. This would compensate for the lack of genuine 500,000+ exclusions because of their relative rarity.
Of course life would be much easier if we could pick all 6 from sangoma. Often you can identify 2 or 3 possibilities while looking at their skips especially 2 pairs.
To eliminate used rows you must be able to find the median or repeat cycle. This gives an indication of which way the rows will jump next draw.
 
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joesam

Member
My winning numbers for this Wednesday's draw for the SA lotto are:

2 8 13 16 21 22 24 25 27 28 31 32 33 38 39 44

Cheers and Good luck guys!

JoeSam:look:
 
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joesam

Member
bloubul

I am currently using my lds method, am still struggling with winnalotto. I am slowly familiarising myself with the winnalotto software. When I feel a bit more confident then I will be using the numbers generated from it.

Cheers:confused:
 
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Springbok

Member
Hi Joesam

I took your numbers and made a full wheel of 8008 combinations. I then purged them with Bright6. I used the del6 filter set at Min 500616. All were wiped out. I then reset it to min100,000. All were wiped out. I would not suggest playing those numbers if you want to win the jackpot. No ways.
 
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joesam

Member
Springbok

Thanks, this sounds amazing! After all my hard work you believe none of these numbers will appear. Now Springbok what numbers do you suggest?

Cheers:worry:
 
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Springbok

Member
Hi Joesam

I am not saying none of those 16 numbers will appear, I am saying that the full wheel of those 16 numbers(8008 combinations) will not give you the 6/49 jackpot. How many of those numbers will appear? Statistically 2 of those numbers will pop up, maybe three if you are lucky. If you get more than that then you are very lucky or a very skilled number picker.
 
Patrick123

Patrick123

Member
Hi Springbok,

Looking at the posting times of yours & joesam's, did you guys sleep last night :).
Keep an eye on this thread as hopefully this afternoon I'll release the next Winnalotto with the first steps of tertiary filtering in place.

Regards
Patrick
 
Patrick123

Patrick123

Member
WinnaLotto Update

Okay ladies & Gentlemen, I've released an update for WinnaLotto.

The 'Load Results' bug of only displaying 19 balls for Keno has been corrected.

There is a 'Moses' tab and a file called Moses.txt. Essentially, you load this file, You are then able to key in balls your selection or previous draws & get the matching results.

The 'Purging' tab is where most of the action has taken place.
This is not quite the same as Saliu's program, but should be easier to use for purging the highly improbable selections.

Once you have selected the balls you want in the draw, generate a bunch of rows. If you want to, you can de-select and select other balls then append their random selections to your existing selections. You can then start purging them, via the different options.

Note, the purging features at this stage are the very rudimentary, and I'm open to suggestions what other tertiary filters to add to it.

Regards
Patrick
 
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