Sangoma-number divination

Springbok

Member
These are the top pairings each taken from 6 simulated files:-
{40,48}, {14, 31}, {26,48}, {14,29}, {14,37}, {29,37} for teatime draw.
Numbers to avoid{ 2,15,17,22,23,28,30,33,36,41, 42, 43 ,45 ,49}
 

barge

Member
Springbok

I managed a double at a low stake, my first :look: have had a couple of singles last week.
I created a 1500 sim file, added the last four drawings, and only produced 3 (100) prs: 20-31,20-37, and 31-37. After tonights draw I added the numbers on top of the sim file, removed the earliest real draw from the file. Now I got just one file, 31-37 max 30 at 100, and only one other, 31-40 at low values.
I haven't yet managed to produce a workable pairs file for using with MDIE, but I'm working on it!:dang:
 

Springbok

Member
Three of the simulated pairs hit and one even had the cheek to hit with each number. Second time that has happened today. Our real number pair is still on holiday. The numbers to delete have improved since I was deleting pairs and only one of 14 numbers hit. Still not good enough if we wish to make the 7/49 game into a more friendly 7/35 game or better but the performance was way over the odds. Tomorrow I am going to give more attention to the fencesitters(draadsitters if jy praat die Taal). The nice thing about them is we move away from the high skip numbers to the lower skip numbers. If anyone wants to download MDIEDeditor and Lotto WE. 4.0 WE then point your browser towards http://www.download.com/3001-2647_4-10593963.html. It is free.
 

Springbok

Member
Hello Barge, good to see you are making progress. In fact anyone who follows the system will make progress in the hunt for a single number from a pair within 4 drawings. You will not be able to make a pairings file for Mdied unless you write a computer programme to convert the real numbers. My one is written in VB 6. Each of my alpha, bravo etc files have their own VB 6 code to do the conversion which is done in a split second. The converted file is routed to Mdied for the statistical analysis. Patrick's program does the same thing. The advantage of the alpha files is that you can read the history of the skips especially if you are looking for the fence sitters. At the moment this cannot be done on the program. By constant reading of the files and estimating what will come up and then checking, you will soon get a feel of the "bones"(number pairs) and what they are communicating. It makes good bedtime reading:)
 

Patrick123

Member
Hi Springbok, As Sangoma, at this stage is looking for the number pairs that are in the high skip area.
A random simulated file, and in theory a random lottery should start having similar mode and median stats for the numbers, thats why the lower draw size that we take, the more granular it becomes (& Saliu suggest at least 10000).

Thus the lines of true value where predictions occur would be from the lowest of the skip history highs(-4 or N) to the highest of these (-4 or N).
Once you've added the last 4 draws to a simulated file, this effectively removed up to 28 numbers from the list of potentials, with the simulated draws removing numbers from lines 5 to the lowest high -N. It is probably the Birthday Paradox that ensures that there are similar outstanding numbers in relation to the actual draw. But as to why you are having such a good hit rate?? There must be a Sangoma present :)
My program does supply the skip history, it is on the right of the main info and usually starts with the column headers numbered 1,2,3..., though it's not in a nice 'one glance' format.
 

Springbok

Member
Hi Patrick
I have not looked through all the functions on your program yet. There is so much there. I have not got a clue as to why I am getting a good hit rate with simulated files. Especially when both numbers in a pair hit. This should not happen. At the moment I am examining the triples on your programme. I have often swore at the vast number of triples supplied at 100%. I found it impossible to predict them in the next draw or so much preferring my alpha bravo etc files for this. Then this morning i think I discovered a way of using the triple forecasts on your program to forecast pairs.It is to do with the way they clump together. Initially my testing has shown a method I am developing to be deadly accurate. I still need to test more just to make sure I am not running into a streak of good luck. Will post on this later. I will put on hold the method on the draadsitters while I immerse myself in testing. I am sure the real number pair will pop in today-the odds are on our side. No doubt the pairs from the sim file will do the same. When you have done a lot of testing you know what to expect and this gives you confidence. You also know that they fail on rare occasions and a failure makes absolutely no difference in the long run. Saliu suggested a method I should use in pairing based on a roulette theory of his. Birthday Paradoxes makes my head spin around. The damned lottery makes my head spin around.
 

Springbok

Member
Looking for pairs in trips

The method I was testing was for looking at clumps of trips. A clump would have the same skip and 2 of the three numbers would be common. The reasoning was, if they were all due then it must be the two common numbers and one of the common numbers will come in either next or the draw after. Does it work? Sometimes it is brilliant and other times is fails. Here is an example taken from a simulated file. According to the logic either 5 or 21 should turn up lunchtime or teatime latest. the skip is in brackets.
{5,13,21} (10)
{5,21,31} (10)
{5,21,44} (10)
{5,21,37} (10)

Patrick, explain how I can read the skips in your program in the same way as I read their history on the alpha files. This is for reading trips and pairs.
 

Patrick123

Member
Hi Springbok,
Under Ball Analysis, when looking at the pairs or the trips, there is a combo box for unsorted/sorted/reverse sorted. The pairs one works the moment you change the value, & the trips when you click the trip analysis button. you have the basic info coming through in the grid (median,mode, etc) and when these are finished, then the columns are numbered 1,2,3,4,5 these are their skips coming through.
Like I said it's not in a 'one glance' format & I'll try and modify this to make it easier (possibly put them in a downwards grid along the side).
I've been catching up with my obligations( still need to pay the rent until we hit the lotto :) ) so will not have too much time over the next few days to do much.
 

Patrick123

Member
Hi Springbok,
You post #257

The numbers should not appear at lunchtime(unless there is a rogue trip or two). {1,3,4,7,8,10,17,19,20,21,24,25,28,29,30,33,35,42, 43,45} Statistically 3 or 4 should appear at lunchtime.

Yesterday's should nots, is today's 5+Bonus.
Regards
Patrick
 

Springbok

Member
Holy Cow! Patrick. That list contained most of the winning numbers in a pool of 20. That is phenomenal, even miraculous. How the hell did you do it? This has to be looked at closely


Sorry Patrick I thought you posted the numbers, but it was me. I now remember what I did. It was the trips from about 4 of my files. These trips exhibited 2 hits or more in the previous draw. I was working under the assumption they would be unlikely to hit next draw. They now seem to have morphed into winning numbers. ?11??? I must look at this more closely.
 

saliu

Member
Better skips strategies and systems

Zulu:

Finally, I got here, super crocodilule. You emailed me a couple of days ago about this thread. I answered you. Also, I posted a reply to a mini-thread you started at my message board:

http://lotterygambling.phpbbnow.com/

First of all, the personal side. As I told you in my email to you, I am turned off by badly formatted writings. Your posts qualify as such. The capital sin: You don’t divide your thoughts into paragraphs. Your posts are extremely hard to follow, because you throw all your thoughts in one paragraph. I know, readers here have the same problem with your writing. By the way, you wrote a nicely formatted post in my forum!

Now, back to the chase.

One can smell burning here. Like some brains are frying here! The skip system you advocate here is, really, a brain fryer! I admit, I contributed to it: MDIEditor And Lotto WE is my software! Let’s abbreviate it MDIEditor. I also contributed by advising you a skips pairing based on my RouletteHemis.EXE software! I am sorry for causing people additional pain!

Why all that pain with the skips, that you take? Look at a report by MDIEditor. It is for my lotto 6/49 game. The Any columns represent the skips REGARDLESS OF POSITION. The Ver columns represent the skips POSITION BY POSITION.

Look at the Any6 column. It shows quite frequently values less than 9 (just single digits). That means, beyond any doubt and hard work, that all 6 numbers in the respective drawing are repeats from the last under_10 past draws. At the same time, the Ver 5 or 6 filters are above 10. That means we can further reduce the number of combinations.

Look at the Any filters again. Looks like a skip= 2 is very frequent. Want more? The skip=2 is also a repeat from the previous drawing. That is, we had a skip of 2 last drawing. We will have another skip=2 next drawing. No, this does NOT happen all the time. But we should NEVER expect a strategy to hit all the time. The skips of the strategy is also a very important element.

Now, about the best lottery strategies (it is the plural) based on skips. The best software suited for such a task is SkipSystem.EXE. It offers a bundle of strategy for every lottery game, plus roulette and horse racing. Just one of the systems recorded two jackpots in about a year for the Powerball.

A brief presentation of the skip strategy creation can be found here:

Lotto, Lottery, Powerball, Mega Millions, Euromillions, Horse Racing, Roulette, Football: Systems Derived From Skips And FFG; Free Software


HTML:
<pre>
         ** Lotto-6 FILTERS in the Past - Date: 08-08-2007
         Data file analyzed: C:\LOTTERY\PA-6
         Drawings range for filter analysis:  266 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Draw   Ion   Ion   Ion   Ion   Ion    Any   Any   Any   Any   Any    Any     Ver    Ver   Ver   Ver   Ver   Ver
  #      1     2     3     4     5      1     2     3     4     5      6       1      2     3     4     5     6 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 MED >  266    30     5     2    11      0     2     3     6    11     15      2      7    11     19    33    75
 AVG >  193    49     8     3     9      1     2     4     7    11     18      4      9    16     27    45    91
 STD >   98    56    10     4     4      1     2     2     3     6      9      6      8    24     27    37    63
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   1   152+    61-    0-    3-   12      2+    2     3-    4-    8-    22+     3-     5-   12-    22-   30-  120-
   2    24-   168+    7+    5+   12      1-    2-    8+    8-   10-    18-    10+    14+   18-    33+  111+  264+
   3   266     36-    0-    1-   12+     3+    5+    7+    9-   11-    19-     3+     7-   19+    21-   27-   50-
   4   266+   129+   34+    3+    8-     0-    1-    2-   15+   41+    44+     1-    15+   16+    43+   71+   77-
   5     4-    12-   12+    2-   12      4+    5+    6+    8-   13-    28+     4+    12+   13-    17-   21-   95+
   6   266+    48     1-    3    12      0     1-    2-   10+   17     19-     0-     2-   19+    19+   27-   29-
   7    39+    48-    4-    3+   12      0     2+    8+    8+   17+    39+     2-     8-    8-    17-   33-   84-
   8    18-   258+   27+    0-   12+     0     0-    0-    2-    6-     7-    11+    11+   15+    72+  106+  258+
   9   262+     5-    9+    3+    9-     0     2+    5     7-    9-    15-     5+     7    12+    12-   15-   35-
  10     4-    16-    5-    2+   12+     0-    1     5+   10+   20+    21+     1      7+   11+    13+   22+   97+
  11   195+    29-   16+    0     0-     1+    1     2+    5     8-     8-     1      2+    3-     8+    9-   17-
  12    78-    47-    9+    0-   12      0     1     1-    5    10+    10-     1-     1-    4-     5-   10-   43-
  13   266    221+    0-    4+   12+     0     1+    3+    5+    8     15+    21+    26+   27+    36-   37-   51-
  14   266+    47+   14-    3     4-     0-    0-    2-    2-    8+    13-     0-     2-   10+    63+   86+  108+
  15   194-     3-   43+    3+   12      2+    2-    4-    6-    7-    22-     2-     7-    8-    12-   22-   40-
  16   266      7     0-    1-   12      1+    7+    9+   14+   17+    23+     3+    12+   13-    15-   36+   64-
  17   266+     7-    2     3-   12      0     1     2     8+   11+    21+     2+    11+   21+    32+   33+  198+
  18   249-    30+    2-    5+   12+     0-    1     2+    3+    7+    17+     0-     4-   17-    25+   25-   25-
  19   266     10-   15+    1     2-     1-    1-    1-    2-    2-    12-     2-     9-   18+    22+   26-   49-
  20   266     31+    3+    1-   10-     2+    3+    7+    8    10-    14-     6-    10-   14-    17-   61-  246+
  21   266+    25-    1-    2-   12+     0-    2-    5     8+   18-    18-     8+    18+   25-    40-   99+  112+
  22     5-    78+    4+    3+    3+     2+    4+    5+    6+   22+    33+     6     15+   35+    45+   78+   93+
  23   266     14-    2+    0     0-     0     1     2     3-    4-     9-     6+     9+    9+    14-   15-   16-
  24   266+    61+    0-    0-   12+     0-    1-    2-    5-    7-    10-     3-     7-    8-    24-   30-   41-
  25    20-    25+   11+    2+   11-     1+    4+    5+    7-    8-    14-    15-    21-   25-    58-  118-  140-
  26    49-    19+    3     1+   12      0     2+    3+   12+   14+    17+    32+    39+   52+    73+  146+  175+
  27    71-     5+    3     0-   12      0     0-    2-    2-    5      9-     0-     2-    2-    20+   60+   87+

</pre>
 

Springbok

Member
Hi Patrick
I did another test just now. I ran the trip files again and ended up with 20 numbers not to play for yesterdays teatime draw. Lo and behold, in those 20 numbers 5 were hits in todays lunchtime draw. This is fantastic but I am not sure if this is a flash in the pan. Will test more this evening. Basically you write down trips that have hit twice or more in the last draw. The list skips the next draw and hits in the draw after. I tried with your program but there are zillions of trips so I stick to my alpha beta etc files.
 
Good day gentlemen. In the last days I was trying to comprehend and test the strategy. I must admit that I did not read the post regarding the “Isolator”. I searched them but they are also big and I had no time for that.
Let’s get back to the strategy. As far as I see the best pair to choose will be a pair that has equaled or exceeded it’s largest skip within 800 or 1000 draws. A pair is formed from 2 numbers, therefore the skip of the pair is equal to the lowest skip of those 2 numbers that form the pair (sorry for exprimation). Since the highest skip of a pair reaches around 15 or 16, even 17 value means we play numbers of 15+ skips.
Having cleared that out we need to know how many numbers of 15+ skips hit, how often and at what intervals. I also read Mr. Saliu’s post so I would like to state that using MDieditor could give us an idea. In the followings I will put my abordation
Let’s say we start all from 0. I mean the first draw. We have 49 numbers. How many new numbers will be drawn from a poll of 49 when we draw 7 numbers? Obviously 7. Second draw. How many new values should we expect? Answer: 13 (7 from the first + 6 new). Therefore we should usually expect one number to repeat from the previous draw. From now on we start counting how many “new numbers” remain until the last 5 or so numbers. This numbers should have a skip of around 15. I like to say that this are, let’s say the “expected values”. We will deal whit variance. How many draws will pass until 2 of this numbers will be drawn? Well, after my calculations 4. The chance that both will hit simultaneous is slim, but if we pair them we have 10 pairs. We should expect 4 of them to hit in the next 4 draws ( 2 numbers).
If that is the base of a strategy, especially your strategy Springbok and I believe it is, ended we should win on average one pair at 2 draws. But the question is: what pair?
My opinion is the answer is almost impossible at the actual level of knowledge.
Anyway the idea is great and I really believe it can be even more improved.
PS: sorry for my English, I am in a hurry.
 

saliu

Member
Good post formatting

"PS: sorry for my English, I am in a hurry."

You shouldn’t be sorry for your language handling. You should be sorry for your lazy-mindedness. Look at your post! It is repelling! It doesn’t require a master’s in English, or any language, to format a piece of writing in a decent manner.

Paragraphs, paragraphs, paragraphs.

They make the writing more intelligible; at least, people have the patience to read your piece.

About the skips. I expanded on this type of gambling (online bookies):

http://lotterygambling.phpbbnow.com/viewtopic.php?t=206

The lowest skips (0, 1, or 2) have a clear advantage. That’s so because the last trend is the hottest overall.
 

Springbok

Member
Hello Ion
Welcome to the site. Go easy on the folk here. Ok we get the hint on paragraphing. It does make things clearer. I will try and write in paragraphs in future if the post warrants it. The lottery is a tough business akin to trying to create energy by cold fusion:) Do you think that frying our brains on lotteries is contributing to global warming ?


Hey Excellence, don't forget to write in paragraphs:)
 

Springbok

Member
The lowest skips (0, 1, or 2) have a clear advantage. That’s so because the last trend is the hottest overall.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but there are many. We only need one. The name of the game is which one? Would they be hotter than the pair with the highest historical skip?
 

Springbok

Member
Patrick. The real number pairing failed to come in. These things happen on occasions like stepping on a puffadder in Iceland or a meteorite landing in you glass of beer
 
Indeed Springbok, numbers whit skips of 0,1 or 2 are many. That’s why this skips values are the one whit the highest frequency. They have the biggest probability.

The idea of pairing numbers could represent a wheeling method. As far as I see you obtained good results so far whit the strategy.

Since we should expect a number from the previous draw to appear again I would take into consideration all the pairs that contain those numbers and see if we can catch a multiple hit. I will study again in the next days the soft from Patrick. I am curious to see if that thing happens, and if it does what is the skip of the other number contained in that pair.

Hope this is intelligible enough.
 

Patrick123

Member
Hi Springbok,
The 6th number would most probably come from the Sangoma method. I'll add a routine in the program to isolate the numbers based off your post #273 hopefully this should speed things up a bit.

I will also read the links that Saliu gave, to glean more nuggets of information.
Regards
Patrick
 

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