Predict SA Lotto

[Patrick123]

Look at Col6. On Wednesday expect a number with a digital ending of 0,1,2,3,4,5.
At Col4 expect a number with a digital ending of 0,1,2,3,4,5

Hi Springbok,

SA's Lotto seems to have a bit of an affinity for the fourth decade. Looking at the col6 that you've highlighted, as well as Winnalotto's last few predictions, the number 44 immediately springs to mind as the one to watch.

Well we were bang on with the above.

The winning numbers were 15,20,28,29,34,44-38.

We only got 3 numbers out of 24 for the skip1, and 1 number each for skip2 and skip3 respectively.

Not to feel too bad, it is a whole new idea, and needs to be fine-tuned.

Regards
Patrick

 

[Patrick123]

Hi Springbok,
There is still fair amount of testing that needs to take place. I got complacent and St. Jude rapped me on the knuckles for it

I am however surprised that the various skip outcomes supported each other but then at the same time I just grabbed the numbers instead of understanding them.

I do feel though that we're on the right track and definitely needs to be investigated further.

Regards
Patrick

 

[joesam]

Hi Patrick123

I think the filters needs further analysis and one should not simply take a ball because the filters are counting this ball most of the time. Secondly, selecting 24 balls seems to be a lot. We should try to bring this down to a manageable number like between 12 and 15.

I have used the numbers of two filters for example in the Saturday main draw I pointed out that with opening batsman HP and YoYo Up HP we could get 4 numbers plus the bonus ball. Similiarly, if you look at the latest filters then we find the following:
Cold 5 28 10 20 45
Mega Draad 29 31 39
This means there were three numbers from the two filters, if you take the draadsitters then we get 4 numbers - this is excluding the lottoplus.
Draadsitters 2 7 9 27 29 44 46

So, I want to suggest that we should have a closer look at how we use the individual filters and possibly how we can combine them. Who knows we may just get all six numbers if we combine filter outcomes intelligently. But eveing getting numbers from 12 balls is a huge feat.

By the way after taking my numbers and running them through the Moses filter I got some rows with 3 numbers in last night's draw.

Cheers

 

[Patrick123]

Hi joesam,

With such a plethora of filters available, one does tend to go overboard like a kid in a candy store. That was exactly my mistake, a lot of the filters actually back each other up, but in that sense some filters should no reflect the same number as others, e.g. an Opening Batsman should never be a Draadsitter.

I'll go through selected filters only and aim towards 12 numbers only, I'll post my results later today.

Regards
Patrick

 

[Patrick123]

Prediction for 24 May 2008

Hi Everyone,

Here are my numbers for tomorrow night:

12 Numbers:
2 11 12 16 18 19 23 31 34 35 40 46

21 Numbers:
2 4 5 7 11 12 15 16 18 19 23 27 30 31 34 35 40 41 43 45 46

26 Numbers:
2 4 5 7 11 12 15 16 18 19 20 22 23 27 30 31 33 34 35 36 37 40 41 43 45 46

I ran selective filters, with backups coming from the higher skip levels (12 Numbers).

The 21 Numbers are purely all the numbers from skip level 1. Once again very selective.

The 26 numbers are a combination of selective filters but across all the levels.

Regards
Patrick

 

[bloubul]

Hi joesam

I try to follow your 5 filters, but as I said to you this morning, I don't get the same results as you and Patrick123.

I've downloaded this morning "WinnaLotto 2.0 Sangoma Edition Build 21 May 2008. Build 2, with all the filters.
Now fun and games start. I've loaded 718 draws, Get History 5 draws.
Filter: Opening Batsman HP gives me "ZERO RESULTS"(No Numbers)
Filter: YoYo Up HP "ZERO RESULTS"(No Numbers)
Filter: Cold " 18 23 37 46"
Filter: Mega Draad "ZERO RESULTS"(No Numbers)
Filter: Draadsitters "ZERO RESULTS"(No Numbers)

I got a brand new PC, O/S XP PRO 2008, Dual Core processors x2, 1Gig RAM
Turbo Charge, what more must I get to just get the same results as you guys.

Either my PC is a peace of junk, or I'm freaking Stupid.

BlouBul

 

[Patrick123]

Hi BlouBul,

You'll see some of these filters will not with with the balls or the pairs, you might have to click on the trips, then they should give you a few rows.

Regards
Patrick

 

[bloubul]

Hi Patrick123

I'm so tensed as our "Starting date" get closer that I "Sommer" get the .............. in if it does not work out. OK I will try again.

BlouBul
BTW, don't you think we must ask LT to cutomize his server to pick up the correct date and time from who talks. Because just for to day you have not slept a wink??????

 

[Patrick123]

Hi Bloubul,

Yep, I did sleep
If you go to quick-links at the top of the page, you can edit your profile to show GMT + 2 for your time.

You'll see, if you load the Cold Numbers Filter, then click balls, only number 46 should show.

It takes a bit of time, but you'll get the hang of it

Vasbyt!
Patrick

 

[joesam]

Hi Bloubul

I am sorry I quoted the wrong number, it is 719 draws and not 773 draws. I don't know what I was thinking when I gave that number. Patrick123 is correct it takes a bit of time to understand and some frustration, but vasbyt you will get there. I am still struggling a bit but am getting there myself!

Cheers, man

 

[joesam]

Hi BlouBul/Patrick

I have loaded 719 draws. I set the cut-off for the history at 16 draws.

I ran the following filters:

Filter: Opening Batsman HP : 33-34-48-4-11-15-27-45
Filter: Cold "23-24-46"
Filter: Mega Draad: 12-19-40-18-35-31
Filter: Springbok2: 42-45-9-11-41-16-30-49
Filter: Last four draws: 34-16-33-8-17-2
Filter: Very Hot numbers: 22
Filter: Fullhouse6: 2-11-26-8-9-16
Filter: Zero3: 9-14-16-34-47-49
Filter: Historical High: 23-42-37
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"What remains is now to choose the numbers to play from the lot spewed out by the puter"

 

[Patrick123]

Hi Everyone,

Okay, the 'Get History' is only required if you want to see how a filter is performing.

You've loaded the draws, then after that gotten the history( for this tutorial, I've loaded 5 draws)... what now??

Now you load a column filter ( Let's take HLQQQ Draadsitter). You then click the Filter Evaluation button. The computer flashes for a while an presents a grid of information.

Under the 'B xxx' there is nothing but 49, 0,0, 100's.
This tells us that there are 49 possible selections, 0 where selected, 0 came in, so the filter was 100% effective.

The 'P xxx' tells us the same thing.

But the 'T xxx' tells us something else!!!

If we look at the 'Past 5' Row, it tells us that out of the possible 18424 selections, only 9 rows were selected, as the trips is a combination of 3 balls, the 'T 1' column tells us that 9 rows had a winning ball in them. If there were 2 or 3 winning numbers in that same row then the 'T 2' or the 'T3' columns would have had a count in them instead or as well.

The 'T Hit' column totals this up and says we had 9 out of 9 hits giving us a hit rate of 100%.
Now looking at this filter, 'Past 2' gave us a 0% hit rate, for 'Past 1' it gave 3 rows of which 1 hit for a 33% accuracy, and 'Past 3 & 4' it gave no rows, so it was 100% accurate. This has now given us a feel how confident we can be with the selection this filter gives us.
When the combo boxes show 'normal' and 'current' we can then click 'Trips'
This gives 2 rows 31,41,45 and 35,41,45. At this stage it is a gut feel whether this will come in, from previous results, it means possibly one of those rows will have a winning number (the 31 or 35) or it is just as possible that it will have a 100% accuracy, which means either the 41 or the 45 will come in.

At this stage it's as clear as mud, either it's correct or they are out. That's why I run the other filters that are similar to this filter, If I can get a similar filter to corroborate this filter, then very likely I'll take the ball that both the filters have agreed upon.

I hope this helps you to choose the numbers.

Regards
Patrick

 

[joesam]

Hi Patrick123

Thanks fror the numbers. Can you post what you got using the different filters as you did for last Saturday and Wednesday? Thanks for the tutorial one. Can you also explain what each of the filters are meant to be searching for?

Thanks

 

[Patrick123]

Hi joesam,

I have uploaded 2 screen-shots, one for the 21st and one for today(24th) at:

http://www.onyxsa.co.za/wlotto/SaLottoMay21.PNG
and
http://www.onyxsa.co.za/wlotto/SaLottoMay24.PNG

If you look, on May 24, I've highlighted #12. This follows a near identical pattern for #38 on May 21. I've tried to use this approach to validate each of my selection.

With regard to the filters, The Opening Batsmen, is looking at the patterns of the balls from the previous draw and trying to select the ones most likely to hit. The Draadsitter and Inbetweener is looking for the balls that are close to their skip median, and the Cold & Historical High is looking for the ones way past their skip median but have a potential to hit very soon.

Most of the other filters, look for certain patterns in the balls skip median, and on evaluating the draw history, have shown a tendency to hit. They essentially back up the main filters.

Now with the option of multiple skips, this is all experimental after level1. At level 2, the Opening Batsmen are more likely to back up the Draadsitters. I'm still trying to track these patterns down properly.

What is fascinating, is that at Level 4 on May 21, #15 was predicted, does this mean we might now be able to develop a filter to grab that elusive 6th ball?? Only further testing will tell.

Regards
Patrick

 

[joesam]

Hi Patrick123

Thanks for screenshots. I find it most interesting. A couple of questions.

On the 24 May 2008 page the opening batsman HP have selected three numbers: 7-11-15. Now it is only 15 that appeared in the last draw, where does 7 and 11 come from? How were they selected if they were not drawn?
34 on the other hand was drawn on Wednesday night but this is only picked up in skipsum3 (skip1), fullhouse6(skip2), cold(skip2),HLQQQDraadsitter (skip4) but not by the opening batsman. While 20 that was drawn on Wednesday only appears as a draadsitter (skip4). I find it a bit confusing. Is it because I quite don't understand the filters or is it something else?

Wednesday's draw actually picked up two numbers from 7 draws prior, 15 and 20, then 28 was very cold and and historically high, as well as 29. 34 and 38 came from two draws before. In the light of this I use 10 draws to run the filters against. In the tutorial you suggested 5? Last question, do we need to do a detailed analysis after every draw and change the numbers accordingly or can we take it that the numbers chosen will be valid for 4 consecutive draws if the numbers we have projected don't appear?

Thanks

JoeSam

 

[Patrick123]

Hi joesam,

Springbok is the guru you should be asking for these questions relating to filters and skips
The reason 7 & 11 came through in the Opening Batsmen was because only a single trip was selected with the three numbers. In retrospect, I should actually use the 15 in my selection instead of the 11.
Most of the other numbers would have been picked up this same way as you treat the pair or the trip as an individual number for the analysis and selection, then you finally separate them. In the pairs or trips rows that get shown up, I usually scan through the numbers and select the main actors only instead of each individual number.

I just used 5 as an example for the Historic Draws, mainly to speed up the loading, but you can use 10 or 20 even. It's just to give you a feel how that filter is performing before actually making your selection. If you are keeping your own meticulous records on the different filters, you will already have your level of confidence built up for a particular filter's selection.

I reflect the performance of the last 4 draws for each filter,bearing in mind that up to 28 balls could be drawn over the next 4 draws, it is highly possible that the selection will come in within those 4 draws. By looking at this performance, you can get an idea or feel, that if the evaluation shows a 0% hit for 1st draw but then a 70% hit for the second, you could actually predict a possible number 1 draw in advance.

Regards
Patrick

ps. I've really only being concentrating on this for the last few months. I might have written the program, but there is still a LOT for me to learn

 

[joesam]

Hi Patrick123

Thanks for the explanation.

So for tonight can we then say that there are two possible choices for repeats if we take the filters seriously: 15 and 34

If we take your other hot tip then we will likely have 12 appearing as well. We then need to find the other three numbers. From the cold and historically high seems to indicate either/or 23 and 46. My other hot numbers will include 41-48-25-22-8 and 33

I will have another look and then post about 12 numbers later.

Cheers and goodluck for tonight

 

[Patrick123]

Hi joesam,

Apart from the 15 (oversight, should have taken that instead of the 11), I've played a mix of those numbers in 7 rows, (my wife chose the 8th row). If I don't win tonight, there always Wed, then Sat, then Wed, then Sat......

The main rule is never to overspend as if this was the last opportunity, there is always the next draw

Thanks and good luck to you too.

Regards
Patrick

 

[joesam]

Hi Bloubul

I am sorry I quoted the wrong number, it is 719 draws and not 773 draws. I don't know what I was thinking when I gave that number.
:

I had a look at the SA national lottery website and saw that the draw number of last night is actually 775

Rollover amount for next draw: R 7,942,376
This is rollover number: 4
Total prize pool for this draw: R 10,508,898
Total sales: R 28,694,980
Next Estimated Jackpot: R 10,000,000
Draw Machine Used: Suikerbossie
Ball Set Used: 36
Draw Number: 775

I don't know what the explanation is maybe we should speak to the national lottery people.

I also think we need to understand the filters of winnalot much better before we launch into 'sungoma'. I will post some thoughts around this in another post.

Cheers, man:thumb

 

[Patrick123]

Hi Everyone,

Winning Numbers: 2,11,22,26,28,38 - 35

12 Numbers:
2 11 12 16 18 19 23 31 34 35 40 46

21 Numbers:
2 4 5 7 11 12 15 16 18 19 23 27 30 31 34 35 40 41 43 45 46

26 Numbers:
2 4 5 7 11 12 15 16 18 19 20 22 23 27 30 31 33 34 35 36 37 40 41 43 45 46

Well, it looks like the 11 was a fortunate oversight, but we cannot rely on luck!
The 'Opening Batsmen' filter will have to have a bit of a revamping as it failed to predict the 28 or 38 from the previous draw. A lot of these filters were designed around the UK49s Lotto, but they should work for SA, should they??

Regards
Patrick