Increasing the Isolator accuracy

[taaroa]

Hi SpringBok,

Results 49S7 - 2 JUL 2007

Lunchtime : 14-27-28-31-42-48-24
Teatime : 12-18-21-25-42-48-32

Isolator : 42-46 split at Lunchtime, 42 repeating at Teatime . 12-13 split at Teatime. I played 42-46.
Eliminator : 24-48 pop up at Lunchtime, leaving 4-5-6 to play to-morrow 3 JUL 2007.
Alpha pairs: There were no qualified. Alpha 4 was the nearest to qualify (last skip (1) was equal to median(1), not lower).
However,Alpha 4 is 18-41 and 18 pop up at Teatime.

* Lotto # 4 * Hits: 89

* Skips >>>>> 1 2 3 3 5 0 1 7 0 3 3 2 7 1 0 6 6 1 1 0 1 4 3 0 0 3 1 7 1 2 2 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 3 2 3 1 0 0 8 2

12 0 1 0 3 4 8 3 0 4 0 9 2 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 5 4 3 3 3 0 2 8 1 1 1 1 3 9 0 0 0 0 0 3 6 1 8 * Sorted Skips: 0 0 0

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2

2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 8 9 9 12 ** Skip Median: 1

Your Echo 12 : 5-29. I play them but didn't pop up.

taaroa

 

[Springbok]

Echo 12 has not split in 2 draws. Should split by lunchtime tomorrow. Here is another idea to use. Delete the last 2 draws. Run Skips or Mdied(preferably). Study the skip chart. Estimate what should come up next. Check and see if they split. If not then bet on the next draw. Note all numbers sitting on their skip. Try and work out which one will split in the next draw. 50% should. There are many different angles when you use skips. Remember the more different files you have the better. If you can become an expert skip reader you should be able to catch 2 or 3 numbers in a draw. Believe me, using skips can solve 3 out of the 6 numbers in the big 6/49 lotteries.

 

[taaroa]

Hi,

49s - 3 jul 2007

8-9-13-18-28-43-40
6-13-18-24-39-45-46

For information : These are the qualified numbers for 3 JUL 07.

ISOLATOR : 23-26/46*-47 : 46 pop up at teatime
ELIMINATOR : 4-5-6* : 6 pop up at teatime
ALPHA 9 : 24*-31 : 24 pop up at teatime
ALPHA 10 : 21-35 : 0
Echo 12 : 5-29 : 0

taaroa

 

[Springbok]

Echo 12 failed at teatime(4th draw). Looking at you figures on hitting 3 groups at teatime shows you how you can firstly hit the 3 number prize in 8 2 number combinations. Also from the point of view of the 6/49 lottery you can solve half the problem in 8 two number combinations. This is powerful information.

 

[taaroa]

Hi,

These are the numbers for 4 JUL 2007.

ISOLATOR : 16-17/23-26
ELIMINATOR : 4-5
ALPHA 10 : 21-35
ALPHA 13 : 5-43
ALPHA 16 : 14-42
ALPHA 20 : 6-36
ALPHA 24 : 17-37-39

I think I'll play Isolator only.

taaroa

 

[Springbok]

Different technique

This is based on the eliminator method. Basically we chase down 3 numbers for a max of 4 draws. I have a file called Beta4. Beta4 divides the real numbers into 12 groupings. The 12th grouping has 5 numbers because 49 is not a multiple of 4. All other beta numbers represent a set of 4 real numbers. You produce a statistical report using Mdied. Of course you must first change the real numbers into the beta4 format. The beta number with the longest skip is chosen. Beta4 no 10(17 20 33 35) is in the running. You first wait for one of the numbers to hit and then from the next draw you bet on the three remaining numbers. No 33 hit 3 draws ago, so beta4 no 10 was activated. no numbers have hit in the last 2 draws so we expect one of them to hit in the next 2. During testing you get an occasional failure but most of the time they hit in three draws. You tend to get quite a few hits on 2 numbers in the same draw. One freaky result was 3 out of three numbers. I also use a beta5 file. Each beta5 numbers is a set of 5 real numbers. Once two of the 5 numbers hit then the beta5 number is activated with the remaining 3 numbers for the next four draws.

 

[taaroa]

Hi,

I'll test this Eliminator method. The last Eliminator let us with 4 and 5 remaining on the 21th draw.
As it already hit 2 numbers on 13th, 1 on 14th and 1 on 16th. We are now on the 21th. I think we must perhaps wait for
the next Eliminator and not play 4&5 or bet on them a very low stake. The lower stake on Ladbrokes or Bluesquare.
I'm working on Isolator. It seems to me that when the Isolator qualify after you counted 3 draws back, pairs split more often within
2 draws. What I do is using all 4 Isolators (North - South - East and Westwind). I choose the pairs which qualified in less draws
back. Today, Southwind and Eastwind qualified with 44&47 and 41&47. Il played 41-44-47 and 44 pop up on the two draws.
So, I'm testing more different Isolators to confirm the trend.

taaroa

 

[Dylan]

Just a side note. Bluesq's past draw results database is not accurate. Best you use 49s.co.uk past draw results.

A pity 49's.co.uk past draw results aren't in the same format as bluesq's.

 

[taaroa]

Just a side note. Bluesq's past draw results database is not accurate. Best you use 49s.co.uk past draw results.

A pity 49's.co.uk past draw results aren't in the same format as bluesq's.

I don't use Bluesquare database. I use 49's.co.uk results history when I need it when I didn't play for a time and that my database is not complete. I keep the history in an Excel chart and in text format I use with my programs.

taaroa

 

[Springbok]

Just a side note. Bluesq's past draw results database is not accurate. Best you use 49s.co.uk past draw results.

A pity 49's.co.uk past draw results aren't in the same format as bluesq's.

You are quite right, Blue Square results can be dodgy(they must employ a short sighted one-eyed moron to input the results). Results must be checked on the official 49s site. It is vital that the last 20 or so draws are accurate-not so much on the draws further down.

No 17(real number) hit teatime based on the eliminator triple of 17, 20,35.

 

[Springbok]

So far in the next round using the eliminator technique, two four number groups are waiting to qualify. Alpha4 no3(9,10,11,12) and Alpha4 no 7(25,26,27,28). The last 2 results were crossed out and Mdied was run on the alpha4 file. These two alpha4 numbers have the highest skip. As soon as one of the real numbers are hit then the group becomes activated for betting. I tried to go back 3 draws but the group that qualified hit in the next 2 draw(that is one of the 3 remaining numbers).

 

[Springbok]

Testing the Eliminator

I ran a test producing 21 eliminators according to the method of using 4 numbers and waiting till the 4 number group qualified when one number was eliminated. I used two four number files-charlie4 and delta4, choosing one eliminator from each based on the highest skip. Here are the results:-
21 eliminators.
one loss-it hit in the fifth draw after qualifying.
one screened out-two numbers hit together.
four hit with with doubles.
five hit in the first draw afte qualifying
eleven hit in the second draw
two hit in the third draw
one hit in the fourth draw.

Based on these results it would appear that using this technique is superior to that of the isolator. Or could we call it isolator mark2?

 

[Dylan]

Forgot to ask, considering bluesq's past results are inaccurate, I am wondering if their returns (winning payouts) are sometimes inaccurate too?

 

[barge]

Eliminator

Hi Springbok, I have been working all over the place, out of the lottery loop,but have finally given it all up....retired that is
I have read the threads regarding Isolator and Eliminator, very impressive. Having used Ion Saliu's progs for 6/49 (without too much success!) I am quite happy to experiment with skips etc. and would like to start trying the 49s.I am curious about the data files to be used , have you manually copied the past results from the bookies results into a dbase? Should I bet doubles with Isolator?
I am located in the UK, so will be using the Ladbrok site for info. The threads indicated that Fullhouse used the UK draws/bookies,as a matter of interest only, do you use UK draws?
Finally, I think you and the other posters involved have moved the goalposts a long way with your research and results!
Cheers

 

[Springbok]

Barge, you can get the draws from bluesquare and you can cut and paste them into a file. All my stuff is attached to lotwon632. I access lotwon through windows and not Dos. Update them using win-on-numbers which is accurate. Sometimes bluesquare is not spot on. Firstly with the 49s you must aim to hit one of two numbers in 4 draws using Fullhouse's grid. then develop your own grids to shadow it. This way you will get a feel as to what is going on. Incidently you should be using Lotwon532 on the UK thunderball draw(the 5 number section). You should be producing simulated files of at least 120,000 combinations. I use 5 of these. You will be able to set the FIVR and FIVS filters with high min values as the median is around the forty to fifty thousand mark. I also produce a few files of around 200,000 combinations to purge with the PastDraws application. With these gigantic files the median is around 160,00 which can really smash the odds. I have tried using past draws on the UK 6/49 game using 2 million combinations but the reporting only seems to go up to 500,000 draws. I think you would need at least 8 million simulated combination here. But I would need more computer memory and an ultra fast processor.

 

[barge]

Barge, you can get the draws from bluesquare and you can cut and paste them into a file. All my stuff is attached to lotwon632. I access lotwon through windows and not Dos. Update them using win-on-numbers which is accurate. Sometimes bluesquare is not spot on. Firstly with the 49s you must aim to hit one of two numbers in 4 draws using Fullhouse's grid. then develop your own grids to shadow it. This way you will get a feel as to what is going on. Incidently you should be using Lotwon532 on the UK thunderball draw(the 5 number section). You should be producing simulated files of at least 120,000 combinations. I use 5 of these. You will be able to set the FIVR and FIVS filters with high min values as the median is around the forty to fifty thousand mark. I also produce a few files of around 200,000 combinations to purge with the PastDraws application. With these gigantic files the median is around 160,00 which can really smash the odds. I have tried using past draws on the UK 6/49 game using 2 million combinations but the reporting only seems to go up to 500,000 draws. I think you would need at least 8 million simulated combination here. But I would need more computer memory and an ultra fast processor.

Thanks for thatSpringbok. i was surprised to see you suggesting the Thunderball draw, I thought (from reading the thread history) that a seven ball lottery might be the base, but of course we are playing for two or three numbers. I will have a crack at it..by the way, do you use 532 to produce pairs from the history file, or just randomly?

Barge

 

[taaroa]

I ran a test producing 21 eliminators according to the method of using 4 numbers and waiting till the 4 number group qualified when one number was eliminated. I used two four number files-charlie4 and delta4, choosing one eliminator from each based on the highest skip. Here are the results:-
21 eliminators.
one loss-it hit in the fifth draw after qualifying.
one screened out-two numbers hit together.
four hit with with doubles.
five hit in the first draw afte qualifying
eleven hit in the second draw
two hit in the third draw
one hit in the fourth draw.

Based on these results it would appear that using this technique is superior to that of the isolator. Or could we call it isolator mark2?

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Hi SpringBok,

With 3 numbers to play, what would be the money management to get positive benefits?

Thanks

taaroa

 

[Spot]

You should be producing simulated files of at least 120,000 combinations. I use 5 of these. You will be able to set the FIVR and FIVS filters with high min values as the median is around the forty to fifty thousand mark. I also produce a few files of around 200,000 combinations to purge with the PastDraws application. With these gigantic files the median is around 160,00 which can really smash the odds. I have tried using past draws on the UK 6/49 game using 2 million combinations but the reporting only seems to go up to 500,000 draws. I think you would need at least 8 million simulated combination here. But I would need more computer memory and an ultra fast processor.

Hi Springbok,
Would it be worthwhile to do skip analysis of both of these methods to determine when to use a set of simulated combinations or not for elimination?

Spot

 

[Springbok]

to Spot

You can use both techniques with the FIVR and FIVS in the 532 and 632 applications and PAST DRAWS. If you use the 532 for the 5 number part of the UK thunderball you must increase the simulated draws to say 100 000 which is above the standard 10 200 range . The reason is to get an accurate median of those two filters. Remember the real draws are put on top of the simulated draws so that they are reflected across the whole range of draws. Also you should be using as many D5 files as possible as you are searching for the occasions when the filter appears two, three or even four times above the median which would indicate that the next draw should be below the median. This is when you can put the min value on the median which will then ignore all previous draws below that median. Past Draws doe the same thing except you have to use MDIED to eliminate the previous draws. With Past draws you have to use huge files to calculate the median. A day or to ago I produced a file which has a median of 200 000 for the Thunderball. If you can calculate when this median should appear you have eliminated one fifth of a million possible draws. Considering that there are around 280 000 combinations in this game(excluding the actual Thunderball) this is a substantial number of draws to discount in one stroke. To use a crude example, suppose you picked 20 combinations out of your head, you could purge them with fivr and fivs and then use past draws to purge again. This would eliminate all the rubbish. Maybe we need another thread of the Lotwon532 and 632 applications as these are the most powerful pieces lottery software in the universe.

 

[Springbok]

"Hi SpringBok,

With 3 numbers to play, what would be the money management to get positive benefits?

Thanks

taaroa"

If you bet the 3 numbers up to the fourth draw your rate of return in proportion to the money you risk is not good. On the other hand, these technique is pretty safe. A way around this would be to select a few 3 number sets and any that do not hit in the next 2 draws then bet only for the third and fourth draws. Experiment and check this out. remember you need a number of files to seek out these numbers. Every idea must be thoroughly tested.