Free lotto-5, lotto-6, lotto-7 wheels & systems

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Rebeckah

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Goswinus said:
Please remember: It's not the wheel that's crap, it's the population.
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When you say populate I assume you mean the order in which you put the #s into the wheel? Also called *loading*? I put all the 6 winning #s in the highest hitting positions, got a 3/6. and then tested it in about 20 different set ups as well and best was 4/6. My point was that something was terribly wrong since I put in the 6 winning #s and didn't get a JP. & the software makes all sorts of claims..... THAT was enough to drive me crazy. & Of course, as a human, I refuse to accept the blame myself, prefering instead, to blame the equipment. :lol:

Although, I'm sure you'd agree that not all wheels are created equally. If I had a choice between a wheel that would give me a JP or a 100% guaranteed 3/6 win, I'd take the JP wheel. Who wouldn't? I don't give a flying monkey about wheel guarantees, I want to win millions from having the jackpot winning combination on my ticket. I think some wheel makers use the smaller guarantees to make people think they're getting somewhere, but they're not. {getting closer to winning big) I have an inkling that it's all a conspiracy. :lol:

But, realistically, I've heard others complain that Gail Howards wheeling software isn't as good as some others you can get. I prefer something I can use filters with. & hers doesn't have that.
 
Goswinus

Goswinus

Member
Rebeckah,

You're so right.
Of course we're not in it for the 3/6!
Anyone who says different is either a liar or on the wrong forum.

Come to think of it: Who'd give a rat's behind about the $10 you're guaranteed to win after spending $163?
Invest $153 with high quality, carefully filtered combinations instead. If you win absolutely nothing, the result is exactly the same. :D

Regards,
Goswinus

Oh, by the way: I've found four different populations of the "world champion" that scored a 6+0 twice throughout the entire history! Four (other) populations have hit 5+1 3 times.
Mr. Saliu's statement about the "bad performance" of this wheel should be considered "bad judgment" :thumb:
 
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saliu

Member
Goswinus:

Quote:
“Do you realize that there are FACT(49) or
60828186403426800000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000”

The correct method is not factorial, but arrangements:
A(49,6) = 10,068,347,520

Use my freeware FORMULA.EXE for the calculations.

Anyway, the amount of possible unique systems is still huge, isn’t it?
Again, you can use freeware to “shuffle” your picks; in this case, you’ll randomly arrange the 49 numbers.
SHUFFLE.EXE (by Ion Saliu)
CooLRevGUI.EXE (by Cristiano Lopes).
Available freely from:
http://www.saliu.com/infodown.html

When you have a randomized set of picks that you like (the more shuffles, the better), then use freeware again to replace the theoretical numbers in the wheel by your picks:
FillWheel.exe (by Ion Saliu)

The analysis of the 163-line wheel can be found at:
http://www.saliu.com/bbs/messages/11.html

I’ll post soon one more thing on wheeling. This time, take any input file of lotto-6 combinations and allow only the lines that offer ‘3 of 6’, ‘4 of 6’, and ‘5 of 6’. Take also randomly an equal number of lines from the input file. See if the wheeled or the randomized set offers better winnings.

Populate alright, but there are out-of-control ways to populate!

Ion Saliu
 
Goswinus

Goswinus

Member
Ion,

Sorry, but you're wrong and I can tell you why. :teach:

That formula provides the total number of combinations of 6 numbers picked from a pool of 49 where the order of the numbers within each combination is significant.
In other words 01-02-03-04-05-06 and 06-05-04-03-02-01 are different permutations as opposed to being the same combinations.
For those interested: In Excel this function is called PERMUT.

However...
While populating this particular 49 number wheel, you have 49 positions to fill, and 49 numbers to select from.
That we somehow group this (re-arranged) sequence into combinations of 6 has got nothing to do with it.
This means you pick 49 numbers from a pool of 49 where each number can appear on each position.
So, the formula is PERMUT(49,49), which in fact is the same as FACT(49).

To be perfectly accurate, the formula needs a little correction to also apply to wheels that have common numbers on every line of the wheel.
For example:
01-02-03-04-05-06
01-02-03-04-05-07
In this 7 number both lines share 5 common numbers.

But, since the "world champion" doesn't have this, FACT(49) shows the correct number.

I guess we'll be expecting an update of FORMULA.EXE in the near future... :D

But enough with that, let’s move on to the next comment.

I'm not religious about wheels, but your statements on them are a little unusual, to say the least.

On your website, you state: Data analyses show beyond doubt that the lotto wheels are beaten by random play.

You shouldn't make this assumption after testing just one population of a wheel. I can show you at least 1 population of the "world champion" which has hit the jackpot twice in the UK lotto history.
That beats (beyond doubt) your random wheel by far, don't you agree? :party: :party2:

Kind regards,
Goswinus
 
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ComboManiac

Member
RANDOM PLAY

Hey Goswinus,

I miss Amsterdam a lot :bawl:


Random play is far worse than wheels....I am the example here..
Wife only matched 4/6 once since 1995 til Today..
Myself, I matched 4/6 at least 6 times plus Tons of 3/6 playing FW or AW's....Knowing that I started playing wheels in Aug 2000 !!
 
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Dennis Bassboss

Member
Goswinus said:
Ion,

Sorry, but you're wrong and I can tell you why. :teach:

That formula provides the total number of combinations of 6 numbers picked from a pool of 49 where the order of the numbers within each combination is significant.
In other words 01-02-03-04-05-06 and 06-05-04-03-02-01 are different permutations as opposed to being the same combinations.
For those interested: In Excel this function is called PERMUT.

However...
While populating this particular 49 number wheel, you have 49 positions to fill, and 49 numbers to select from.
That we somehow group this (re-arranged) sequence into combinations of 6 has got nothing to do with it.
This means you pick 49 numbers from a pool of 49 where each number can appear on each position.
So, the formula is PERMUT(49,49), which in fact is the same as FACT(49).

To be perfectly accurate, the formula needs a little correction to also apply to wheels that have common numbers on every line of the wheel.
For example:
01-02-03-04-05-06
01-02-03-04-05-07
In this 7 number both lines share 5 common numbers.

But, since the "world champion" doesn't have this, FACT(49) shows the correct number.

I guess we'll be expecting an update of FORMULA.EXE in the near future... :D

But enough with that, let’s move on to the next comment.

I'm not religious about wheels, but your statements on them are a little unusual, to say the least.

On your website, you state: Data analyses show beyond doubt that the lotto wheels are beaten by random play.

You shouldn't make this assumption after testing just one population of a wheel. I can show you at least 1 population of the "world champion" which has hit the jackpot twice in the UK lotto history.
That beats (beyond doubt) your random wheel by far, don't you agree? :party: :party2:

Kind regards,
Goswinus
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Well of course it is a shame to call himself a mathematician and go straight to such generalisation statements....but if we always use only Ion's numbers ...we have to admit that Ion has a point here...And I would agree random might be better in this case...The problem is that I have never and I am not using anything from that salesman...So I'll stick to free wheels...real free wheels that are not used as a platform to try selling anything else...to some fat :baby: ..... :lol:
 
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Springbok

Member
Wheeling is a waste of time if you are after the jackpot. Wheeling is ok for the third prize(ie hitting 3 numbers) except it costs you more than you win. When we play the lottery we are after one thing, the Jackpot, no more no less. If you want to wheel then you must produce perfect wheels. For example wheeling 12 numbers gives you a perfect wheel of 924 combinations. There are two snags her. 1. to get 12 numbers out of 49 is a one in fifteen thousand chance. 2. Assuming you got the 12 numbers you would have to mark off 924 forms. As far as I can see your only chance(unless you have a lifespan of 300 000 years) is Ion Saliu's Lotwon 632. I use it it and break even, that is I don't lose money(very important and as yet have not hit the jackpot).632 is hard work and you have to put considerable amount of time studying it and experimenting and it helps to have a knowledge of elementary set theory. All the best in you wheeling efforts but my best advice is don't.
 
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Rob Erhardt

Member
Wheels vs Random

The only way to reduce the odds in Lotto is to buy more
tickets.

Random play reduces the odds...but wheeling reduces
the odds AND INCREASES THE PAYOFF by winning multiple
lower tier prizes.

A full wheel of 8 numbers and 28 tickets has EXACTLY
the same probability of winning the Jackpot as 28 random
plays.

However, its my advice to cover AT LEAST 30% of the
game field with a good abbreviated wheel.

Rob
 
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tomtom

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Godload said:
I if I wheeled 1-2-3-4-5-6-42-43-44-45-46, theoretically I have a chance to win the jackpot, but in realistic terms 99.9999999% of the time most probably it will be wasted money.
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I don’t know how you came up to to this conclusion, but combinations 2,5,42,43,44,46 or 1,3,6,42,43,46 are in my opinion quite fine. If they happen, may create a couple of big winners who don’t depend on “all you can read about lottery strategies”…
 
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BushHappy

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Springbok quoted:
"As far as I can see your only chance(unless you have a lifespan of 300 000 years) is Ion Saliu's Lotwon 632. I use it it and break even, that is I don't lose money(very important and as yet have not hit the jackpot)."


I am very interested in how you managed to break even with Lotwon 632. Please can you advise over how many Draws this occurred and how many Entries per Draw?
Do you consistently break even or do you have 1 or 2 big wins, plus many losses. Do you change the numbers after each Draw or do you keep them the same?

I would like to use this system for my Lotto Syndicate if it can give a better Win/Cost ratio of 0.3 which is our performance using wheels since the South African Lotto started.
 
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Springbok

Member
Groete BushHappy

I first started with Lotwon99. When I first started it with the South African lottery it rocked me. It gave me one and only one combination and that hit 4 numbers which paid out around R170 . Not bad for an investment of R2,50. I graduated to Lotwon632 which was given to me by Saliu as I posted on his site. 632 is more powerful than 99 although I am still very fond of it. Recently on a trip back to Durban I was playing with it on my laptop while waiting for a connecting fligh to Durbs it gave me another single combination and lo and behold it hit 4 numbers. I use it for the UK lottery as well as the Irish lottery as presented bu the betting shop Ladbrokes. I always play with a reduced field of numbers anything from 12 to 18. These numbers have to be cunningly picked. Fact is if I could pick 12 numbers repeatedly in the nexr couple of draws then the UK lottery will boost my bank balance to the tune of millions. Wins of 3 and 4 numbers come along once in a while.but when they come they offset losses.Lotwon632 is not an opensesame. It requires hard studying and much experimentation as to what it can do or not do.If you need any help I am more than glad to help.
 
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tomtom

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Re: Groete BushHappy

Springbok said:
I always play with a reduced field of numbers anything from 12 to 18. These numbers have to be cunningly picked. Fact is if I could pick 12 numbers repeatedly in the nexr couple of draws then the UK lottery will boost my bank balance to the tune of millions. Wins of 3 and 4 numbers come along once in a while.but when they come they offset losses.Lotwon632 is not an opensesame. It requires hard studying and much experimentation as to what it can do or not do.If you need any help I am more than glad to help.
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Do you pick these 12 - 18 numbers ,or the program does it for you?
 
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Springbok

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Reply to Tom Tom

The program does not pick the pool of numbers for me, I do. It is many programs not just one. One function in Util632 is the statistical reporting of skips. In any given 6/49 lottery draw usually 3 numbers have skips of 6 or less and the other half have skips of 6 or more. 2 numbers generally have skips of 7-12 and one number with a skip of more than 12. So any pool of numbers you play with should have this kind of structure. If all your pool consists of numbers with skips of 6 or less then you are wasting your time. If your numbers are all from skips of 7 and more you are wasting your time. Interestingly enough since the start of the UK lottery in 1994 there was one ocasion when all the numbers came from skips of 12 or more. There were only 9 numbers to play with. This seems to be a freakish occurence though . I am not intersted in the minor prizes all I want is the jackpot that's why i totally ignore wheeling. If you want to win little prizes then I suggest playing the horses in exacta or double bets.
 
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tomtom

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Re: Reply to Tom Tom

Springbok said:
In any given 6/49 lottery draw usually 3 numbers have skips of 6 or less and the other half have skips of 6 or more. 2 numbers generally have skips of 7-12 and one number with a skip of more than 12. So any pool of numbers you play with should have this kind of structure. If all your pool consists of numbers with skips of 6 or less then you are wasting your time. If your numbers are all from skips of 7 and more you are wasting your time. Interestingly enough since the start of the UK lottery in 1994 there was one ocasion when all the numbers came from skips of 12 or more. There were only 9 numbers to play with. This seems to be a freakish occurence though . I am not intersted in the minor prizes all I want is the jackpot that's why i totally ignore wheeling. If you want to win little prizes then I suggest playing the horses in exacta or double bets.
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Well, wish you luck with dealing with skips. I was once interested in it, but abandoned that idea soon after seeing a lot of skips 1 or a lot of skips over 20 in the same draw. It’s basically same as the hot and cold number strategy, and this strategy may work for someone, but I didn’t have that much success with it. However, good luck.
 
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BushHappy

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Springbok,

It's great to have won the rugby.

I have done my own Skip analysis for the SA Lottery for the 317 Draws from Draw 68 to 384. Draws 1 to 67 were not considered as only at Draw 68, had all the numbers come in at least 2 times which allowed a Skip value to be calculated for every number since Draw 68. Here are the results


Best Skip profile - Occurred 54 times up to Draw 384
4 of the 6 occurred in the last 6 Draws or less ie <=6
1 of the 6 occurred in the last 7 to 12 Draws or less ie 7 to 12
1 of the 6 occurred greater than 12 Draws ago ie >12

2nd Best Skip profile - Occurred 40 times up to Draw 384
3 of the 6 occurred in the last 6 Draws or less ie <=6
2 of the 6 occurred in the last 7 to 12 Draws or less ie 7 to 12
1 of the 6 occurred greater than 12 Draws ago ie >12Best Skip

Above 2 Skip profiles combined - Occurred 94 times up to Draw 384
Between 3 & 4 of the 6 occurred in the last 6 Draws or less ie <=6
Between 1 & 2 of the 6 occurred in the last 7 to 12 Draws or less ie 7 to 12
1 of the 6 occurred greater than 12 Draws ago ie >12

Another Skip profile - Occurred 99 times up to Draw 384
4 of the 6 occurred in the last 6 Draws or less ie <=6
2 of the 6 occurred greater than 6 Draws ago ie >6
Could this profile be classed as better than all the above 3 profiles?
 
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yanamarre

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49,6,3,6,163

1 2 3 4 5 49
1 2 6 11 17 20
1 2 7 10 16 21
1 2 8 13 15 18
1 2 9 12 14 19
1 3 6 10 15 19
1 3 7 11 14 18
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1 5 9 11 15 21
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Springbok

Member
Reply to BushHappy

Great news about the Boks. They are where they should be that is Number 1.
Which is the best profile? The best profile is the one that appears in the next draw. How does one determine this? Download Saliu's full blown Mdied.WE. This will give you a statistical report of skips of 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 numbers. The median for the 3 number <=6 is 6. According to Saliu's FFG idea which is based on the algorithm of de Moivre the chances of an event happening increases after a number of misses. For an example if let's say 3 numbers appeared with a skip of >=7 2 times in the previous draws then there is a 75% chance of a 3 number profile appearing with a median of <=6 in the nexr draw. An analysis of previous events shows that this happens more often than not. This can apply in the converse. I do not use MDied but find a look at the statistical reports useful. Also of interest is the Ion3 filter which is based on Fadic addition.
 
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saliu

Member
Check Lotto-6 Wheels for Missing Combos

Sisters and Brothers:

Forever glorious be your names for they prove the existence of serendipity.

This post redivivus shows its date; age, that is. The wheels I announced here are outdated. Just yesterday I released a free program for lotto-6. It checks lotto-6 wheels for coverage. If the wheel is incomplete, WheelCheck6.EXE will generate the missing lines. The freeware also generates balanced lotto-6 reduced systems (sort of wheels).

Just uploaded the freeware – and my site went down! Many things are great about my web host, but one is terrible. They don’t know how to receive mail, snail mail, that is. It appears that the most difficult thing in the world is to receive mail from a location in Pennsylvania to another location in Pennsylvania. My payments rot in their mailbox!

So, for now, WheelCheck6.EXE and the new lottery utility programs (Util*.EXE) are not available.

Best of luck!

Laius Usail,
Doctor en Ciencia Oculta de la Rotacion,
Doctor in Occult Science of Wheeling

http://www.saliu.com/check-wheels.html
(soon to be back online)
 
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