Do all lottery software that produce lines to play use random number generators?

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mirage

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Hello,
Got no response on my previous ques. re Lotwin, so let me ask a broader question. With lottery softwares that provide lines to play, filtered or otherwise, do they all need to generate combinations via using random number generators, which from my understanding are not really "random"? Or alternatively some form of algorithm to perform the same task? And how much does this affect the true "randomness" of the combinations produced?
Thanks! :)
 
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mirage

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Either I am on "ignore", or lottery software that produces lines is a practically a taboo on this forum, or nobody knows enough about this subject to even comment.... I don't think it was a totally idiotic question and other people might be curious too.
:rolleyes:
 
Brad

Brad

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Hi Mirage,

I chose door number 3 ;) ... don't really know enough about the subject.

What I do remember about LotWin is that it starts out with ALL the possible combinations (14M for 6/49) and then the 'engine' eliminates lines based on the filters selected to get the combos to play. So there's no randomness in that process IMO.

Don't know about other softwares, I will speculate that in lot of instances info like that is proprietary though.

Cheers



P.S. maybe this thread just got overlooked? :notme:
 
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mirage

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Re: Hi Mirage,

Brad said:
I chose door number 3 ;) ... don't really know enough about the subject.

What I do remember about LotWin is that it starts out with ALL the possible combinations (14M for 6/49) and then the 'engine' eliminates lines based on the filters selected to get the combos to play. So there's no randomness in that process IMO.

Don't know about other softwares, I will speculate that in lot of instances info like that is proprietary though.

Cheers



P.S. maybe this thread just got overlooked? :notme:
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Thanks Brad! :) This was very helpful to me and it was terrific of you to respond. I was wondering because something didn't seem to be working quite right with the lottery line builder that I tried out (I got weird results) and it's supposed to be a good software product. It has limited usefulness for sure. :agree:

Cheers!
 
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mirage

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ChiefWiggum said:
I am interested to find out what "wierd" results you have obtained.

Could you provide some examples ?
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Chiefwiggum,

If you are still around... actually after experimenting a bit more with this program, I've decided that it's not at all bad, for what it is. The "weird" results were because of me not following the rigid logic of the program. The stats results are pretty good, not exactly what I have myself, but very very very close. So I concur with you that it's a pretty fair program but that the subscription is a detractor. :)
 
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ChiefWiggum

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Mirage

Given the overall speed of the program, I am surprised at the slow speed of the History Filter.

It is so slow that I do not use it, even though I need it sometimes.

There must be a sound programming reason for this, I imagine.
 
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mirage

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ChiefWiggum said:
Mirage

Given the overall speed of the program, I am surprised at the slow speed of the History Filter.

It is so slow that I do not use it, even though I need it sometimes.

There must be a sound programming reason for this, I imagine.
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Chiefwiggum,
Sorry it has taken me awhile to get back to you. I'm still familiarizing myself with the program.

Yes, the history filter is bizarrely slow. Running it really slows down all other processing on my computer as well. I can't imagine why there would be a programming reason for this, even though I am not a programmer.
 
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mirage

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ChiefWiggum said:
Mirage

I started with Group Filters:

I found "With Last Draw" a little confusing.

I found "Overdue" not very helpful.
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Chiefwiggum:

Yeah, I agree completely with your findings.

And, on second thought, even though the history filter takes so very long, if I add it in first, even if it's just to reject 6 of 6 previous this feature is the only thing that reassures me that the program is actually doing the calculations that it is supposed to be doing. It probably is anyway, but watching it work away at calculating, it is taking about the speed that I would think the program should be taking to perform the calculation tasks properly.
 
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ChiefWiggum

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Mirage

Number Filters:

For Number Pairs and Number Triads, the display doesn't look like it is displaying all posssible pairs/triads, only the most numerous.

I haven't worked out the purpose of the toggle: Set 1/ Set 2 / Set 3 yet.

It doesn't seem to do anything.
 
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mirage

Member
ChiefWiggum said:
Mirage

Number Filters:

For Number Pairs and Number Triads, the display doesn't look like it is displaying all posssible pairs/triads, only the most numerous.

I haven't worked out the purpose of the toggle: Set 1/ Set 2 / Set 3 yet.

It doesn't seem to do anything.
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ChiefWiggum,

Re: Number Pairs and Number Triads, my guess is the developer decided that the ones that hit together most frequently would be the most interesting to users. I suppose he could have expanded to include many more, but where does one draw the line?

If all the triads were listed this would be very helpful when using the history filter!

Working on a certain lottery in Ontario, Canada, I looked at this Pairs and Triads feature a few weeks ago to see if it might be useful. To my dismay, I saw that there were 3 Pairs, and 1 Triad that won in the last draw (2 weeks ago). If I'd gone with a few best and reasonably obvious bets and chosen the appropriate Pairs and Triads, it would have accurately predicted all 6 winning numbers in that lottery!!! :cry:

Personally will probably only occasionally use Pairs and Triads.

The number sets filter is not working as it should. Yesterday, I tried to select numbers that won in the draw before last. It only selected 4 out of the 6. This was most discouraging. Makes me wonder about the integrity of this filter in general.

Re: Purpose of toggle. Set/1, Set/2, Set/3: I haven't looked at yet and can't offer any information
 
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mirage

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ChiefWiggum,

If you look under File, the menu includes statistics for both Pairs and Triads. Is that what you were looking for?
 
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ChiefWiggum

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Mirage

The option under File is disabled, since I have the eval version.

The option under Window (Winning Pairs and Winning Triads)
does not provide a list that is consistent with the filter.

It only lists a few pairs/triads.

This leads me to believe that the option under File will not fair any better.

Very disappointing !

Is it my fault or the program's fault ?

I enjoy our conversations re: Line Builder.

It is not discussed very often in forums. I wonder why ?
 
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ChiefWiggum

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Mirage

I am very concerned about the Number Sets filter not working properly.

Could you elaborate on this ?

It's integral to my use of the program. I haven't noticed flaws in it so far.
 
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mirage

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ChiefWiggum said:
Mirage

I am very concerned about the Number Sets filter not working properly.

Could you elaborate on this ?

It's integral to my use of the program. I haven't noticed flaws in it so far.
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ChiefWiggum

Re: odd occurrence with Number Sets. What occurred may have been a one time fluke (???) :confused:
if such a thing is possible... Things seem to be working again now.(?)
I will get back to you later.

I've just noticed that there are other aspects to this program such as create one's own filters? Hmmm. Not sure what this is about but can't concentrate very well right now.

LOUD construction going on right over my head, which is very distracting, as well as other things.
 
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mirage

Member
ChiefWiggum,

I noticed a statement of yours in another thread, "Can I ask about Lotwin?"

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I downloaded the 2004 version, and the Random Line Generator does not work in this version.


What do you mean by the "Random Line Generator?" Do you mean Line Builder? In what way does it not work? I am using the latest version of the program.

Thanks!
 
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mirage

Member
ChiefWiggum,

Between the Number Sets and the Line Builder, this program does not appear to be working. I have not checked it after using the History Filter though.

However, I have the 2004 version - when you say Random Number Generator, is this the engine of the Line Builder feature?

For yourself, you mentioned you were using an older version.
Maybe the older version works.

Would appreciate your input on this.
 
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mirage

Member
ChiefWiggum,

History Filter doesn't make a difference.

The Number Filter does not seem to work (in my version) if you choose number of numbers based on how long ago last hit, ie: last draw, previous, last 3 to 5, 6 - 10, and > 10. There is a major problem in this part of the program. It will therefore not sort or build lines reflecting your preferences. This feature is a complete rip-off in 2004 version and I will contact the developer to see what he has to say about this.

If you simply pick numbers that you chose to play it will tell you accurately how many draws ago it hit on screen but you have no way of creating combinations that are an optimal mix of when the numbers last hit.

The simple group filters seem to work when line building.
 
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ChiefWiggum

Member
Mirage

The Random Line Generator is found under:

Analysis->
Line Analyser->
Random Line

My version is is 2.134. I downloaded it in 2003.

In the 2004 version, this didn't work.

The 2004 version seems to be having a lot of trouble.
 
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