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jbiff

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I never intended to make "pre-emptive" attack argument. If my statements read that way I'm sorry.
The crystal clear reason you give isn't that clear to me...been there a couple of times in the last 20 years and I never saw anything worth taking...I've got mineral rights to a couple of oil fields in Texas and New Mexico and they don't pay squat so I really don't want the U.S. to have their oil . if they would just start pumping some of ours I'd be Rich.
I'm on a lunch break so I have to be short
later on
 

shirazbai

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jbiff said:
The crystal clear reason you give isn't that clear to me...been there a couple of times in the last 20 years and I never saw anything worth taking...I've got mineral rights to a couple of oil fields in Texas and New Mexico and they don't pay squat so I really don't want the U.S. to have their oil . if they would just start pumping some of ours I'd be Rich.

LOL! Nothing worth taking? The US Energy Information Administration (EIA) begs to differ with you. :)

Iraq's Oil Reserves: Untapped Potential

While its proven oil reserves of 112 billion barrels ranks Iraq second in the world behind Saudi Arabia, EIA estimates that up to 90-percent of the county remains unexplored due to years of wars and sanctions. Unexplored regions of Iraq could yield an additional 100 billion barrels. Iraq's oil production costs are among the lowest in the world. However, only about 2,000 wells have been drilled in Iraq, compared to about 1 million wells in Texas alone.

Source

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That last underligned part may explain why your "mineral rights ... don't pay squat". ;)

Expanding on the unexplored ...

... since Iraq is the least explored of the oil-rich countries, there have been numerous claims of huge undiscovered reserves there as well—oil thought to exist, and expected to become economically recoverable—to the tune of hundreds of billions of barrels.

If true, this would mean that Iraq has roughly a quarter of all of the world's oil. These assessments have been repeatedly cited in news articles, conferences, think tank briefings, congressional testimonies, and academic works because they raise the prospect that America's energy security could significantly improve if Iraq were able to challenge Saudi Arabia's position as the world's preeminent oil producer.

Source

So, as you see my friend, while you may not care too much for Iraq's teeny little oil reserves, the trio in charge of Battleship America does not share your point of view. Hope you enjoyed your lunch break. ;)
 

jbiff

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Since you put it that way now I really hate Iraq. Their the reason I ain't rich.

But seriously, I'm not making any pro/con arguments about what is happening their.

And I do appreciate that you don't lump all of us Americans into group with Dr. Evil like sinister plans.
And I appreciate the fact that you do name the most likely scumbags to have such plans.
What scares me most about Rumsfeld (never ever like that guy) is I don’t think he is evil like a thief or a
lawyer (they want your money) he is more control freak/power hungry (he wants your soul)…truly worse than Dr. Evil.
I admit you and others have made good and valid points…just don’t get too frustrated with me cause I’m a pro fence sitter
and I like the view from here.
I have jumped on a bandwagon before without thinking and regretted it.
Came close to doing it again. Regardless, I think my soul is safe for now
Got to go now and find my beer…err I mean I have important business that needs my attention.:D
 

shirazbai

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Jbiff, I am not here to get frustrated with or to convert you or anyone, just to make sure that all the facts are on the table. You are your own person. Enjoy your beers, friend. :)
 

shirazbai

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I really wanted to put this in the joke thread, but since it's politics, I'll put it here.

Why make fun of one side when you can make fun of them both. Short animation (3.7MB, so may take a minute to load)

Enjoy :)
 

peter

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shirazbai said:
Ah, who needs proof. After all... "I don't know, a proof is a proof. What kind of a proof is a proof? A proof is a proof and when you have a good proof it's because it's proven." - Jean Chretien :)



Back to the topic at hand. Moore's flick is a bit skewed, I agree. I wish The Whole Truth About The Iraq War was playing at theatres instead. It's only an hour long and covers all the bases. (you can stream it or save it)
I think everyone should take the time to watch this, I did.
Thx Shirazabai.
 

Babarlish

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peter said:
I think everyone should take the time to watch this, I did.
Thx Shirazabai.

I did too. The best hour I ever spent in front of my monitor.
Very revealing about our "neighbour".
It confirm many things I knew all along Peter.

cleopatra should watch this.

Now, I'll make a fortune selling backpack with Canadian flags sewn on it to american travellers
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

shirazbai

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Babarlish said:

Very revealing about our "neighbour".

Now now Babarlish, let's play nice. :)
The truth revealed is not about our "neighbour", it's about its administration. Don't lay blame on all of the employees of a company just because the top brass is corrupt. Amazingly reminiscent of Enron, isn't it?

Now, I'll make a fortune selling backpack with Canadian flags sewn on it to american travellers
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't laugh too hard yet, Babarlish, or make any big plans for that backpack venture fortune. While the american flag is associated these days with crazy Bushes, the canadian flag is associated with mad cows. Sir, please step this way for decontamination. :)
 

Babarlish

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shirazbai said:
Now now Babarlish, let's play nice. :)
The truth revealed is not about our "neighbour", it's about its administration. Don't lay blame on all of the employees of a company just because the top brass is corrupt. Amazingly reminiscent of Enron, isn't it?

Don't laugh too hard yet, Babarlish, or make any big plans for that backpack venture fortune. While the american flag is associated these days with crazy Bushes, the canadian flag is associated with mad cows. Sir, please step this way for decontamination. :)

If you like to play nice with a nation of killers, fine!
I hope you don't mind if I have a personal method. Hmm!

I dare to hold a different opinion.

Canadians are loved all over the world, because our record is perfectly clean when it comes to aggression.

As for my neighbour, here's a partial record of aggressions
bombings, and invasions since WWII:

Afghanistan 1998, 2001-02
Albania 1997
Bolivia 1986-87
Bosnia Herzegovia 1993, 1995
Cambodia 1969-75
China 1945-46, 1950-53
Croatia 1995
Cuba 1959-60, 1962
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Grenada 1982-83
Guatemala 1967-69
Haiti 1994
Honduras 1982
Indonesia 1958
Iran 1987-88
Iraq 1991-2002
Korea 1950-53
Kuwait 1991
Laos 1971-73
Lebanon 1958, 1982-84
Liberia 1990, 1997
Libya 1981, 1986, 1989
Panama 1958, 1964, 1989
Peru 1965
Philippines 1989
Serbia 1999
Somalia 1992-94
Sudan 1998
Tajikistan 1986
Uruguay 1947
Uzbekistan 1986
Vietnam 1961-73
Virgin Islands 1989
Yugoslavia 1992-94, 1995, 1999
Zaire ( Congo ) 1964

As you may have noticed. This is not of yesterday. It always been that way. When your country have big iron shop and makes tanks, bombs, bullets, you also need a "market" or you create a "demand" for this weaponry.

This is why North America have the best and the worst, the beauty and the beast. Canada all peaceful, while the states... hmm!

I cannot blame so many people around the world for hating them.

If americans would have just a little bit of wisdom, they would realize that the terror and the shock it was for them to have only 2 airplanes smash in 2 towers and only 3000 dead, is nothing comared to the millions they killed abroad in the name of imperialism well disguised.

When you look for a wolf in sheep clothings, don't search for a wolf. Start poking the perfect looking sheeps.
ba-a-a!
ba-a-a!
Woof!
 

Babarlish

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shirazbai said:
Now now Babarlish, let's play nice. :)
The truth revealed is not about our "neighbour", it's about its administration. Don't lay blame on all of the employees of a company just because the top brass is corrupt.

We all know by now that the "emplyees" have been beating the inmates of raqi prisons to a pulp. That's not very good for the employees record.

Now, just watch this 20 seconds clip.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm

Obviously, when its corrupted at the top, the employees are nothing but freaks and spychopaths.

How can I have any respect for this nation?

HOW???
 

jbiff

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Hi Babarlish,
For the sake of truth in advertising I have updated my profile to include freak and psychopath.
Hope that makes you happy
:p:
 

shirazbai

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Babarlish said:
Canadians are loved all over the world, because our record is perfectly clean when it comes to aggression.

I hope no americans take your posts as an example of overall canadian attitude towards them. Then again, why shouldn't they? That is what you are professing anyway - to judge a whole nation of MILLIONS by the actions of a few.

Babarlish, do you similarly judge and condemn all blacks for the actions of a handful of thugs of that persuasion? Do you now condemn all muslims for the actions of a few radical extremists on 911? Do you blame all immigrants for job losses when you see all of "them" willing to work for lower wages than you?

Please don't tell me that all of this has nothing to do with your original comments of hate against americans. Those were very strong comments against a whole nation full of people, most of whom are as responsible for all the past aggressions as you or I (i.e NOT!). They had as much control over the situations as you and I - NONE! It was all the top brass, the politicians. Millions of americans throughout history have voiced and acted out opposition to all past wars. But you hate them, and that's okay. That's your right ... in this free country of ours, Canada.

Did you vote for the Conservatives the last time? If you did, then maybe I can blame YOU for all the screw ups that followed. I know, I'll blame you for that grandmother that died on the way to the emergency ward, because her ambulance got diverted to five hospitals, because of all the cutbacks. You MURDERER! Wait, oh okay, you voted for the liberals then? They were responsible for the suicide death of that poor man, husband, father of four, because they "trimmed" his WCB payments (unemployment) and he could no longer support his family. Out of desperation, he killed himself. You MURDERER! Don't worry, I can find an example and a reason to call you murderer regardless of who you voted for and even (and especially) if you didn't vote at all. How about you get blamed for every single thing your company does wrong and it gets taken out of your pay? Sounds fair, by your reasoning.

You don't think that was fair or similar either, Babarlish? Why? Because you wouldn't want to get blamed for something you didn't do? Ah, I see how that's so very different from the way you blame MILLIONS for something they didn't do. Yes, very different. *sigh*

Obviously, when its corrupted at the top, the employees are nothing but freaks and spychopaths.

How can I have any respect for this nation?

HOW???

Similarly .... obviously when it's corrupted at the bottom (as your hate-post shows), the whole country (Canada) must be nothing but arrogant freaks and psychopaths. How can anyone have any respect for this nation? HOW??? :)

I am proud to call myself Canadian. I am proud to be known as a citizen of a free democracy that fights racism, discrimination and all forms of hate!

P.S. If that video clip that you provided the link to is part of the basis for your hate, then have a seat, friend. I can link you to a thousand clips overnight to so many atrocities that after watching a day's worth of them, you will hate every single nation in the world, including our Canada. Man is the most vicious, gruesome animal on this planet. There is no atrocity that you could possibly imagine that man hasn't already performed at some point in history. There is documented evidence of most of it. Go read up on modern (circa 1910) world history, travel the world a bit and when you get back in a few decades, I can promise you that you will learn to love life itself. And when you love life, you love all living.

Now please don't post any more hate.

*heart* Shirazbai
 

Iamswamee

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Wow I picked the wrong thread

I am trying to think of what to say in this post. Being an American, knowing that there are people on this website that hate us. And I think that this website is about winning and in essence creating a positive change in our lives. And I wonder for myself how to let go of those negative attitudes I have towards others I feel that have wronged me. It is something that I am working on. Because, I could add all the money in the world and still remain the same if I have not come to peace with myself and others. To forgive and let go. Gosh that guy who won the biggest jackpot in history keeps ending up in jail from barroom fights. Doesn't appear as if his money has bought him peace.

I can find others who behave in a manner not to my standards and by focusing on their faults I can feel much better about myself. This is not a good way for me to live my life and it is a false sense of self-esteem as it depends upon others being "less than" in order for me to feel better. Anyway, lets turn this around. I need to turn things around. Time for me to step up to the plate and make the change. God bless us all.
 
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thornc

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shirazbai said:
And when you love life, you love all living.
Now please don't post any more hate.

Well said! I am turning to much religious lately but here goes: "Let the one without sins cast the first stone...."!

Originally posted by Iamswamee
(...)God bless us all.

Well said also!


Can we please stop the flame war now?!
 

jbiff

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Thanks ThornC, Iamswamee and shirazbai,
I apologize for my childish behavior and returned my profile to its original
content.
Babarlish, I apologize for my thin skin and I understand the heart sometimes
speaks before the mind thinks.

A wish of peace and harmony to all
 

Beaker

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Speaking of Michael Moore...

I don't know where I got this link from - maybe a thread here - but sometimes - most of the time - you get a good indication of what is going on and what people are thinking by looking at cartoons and the humour of the area.

Take a look at all of these by Shujaat when you get a chance. Very interesting.

Al-Jazeera I know, but they are funny and insightful

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...C-9FA4-E629E849E7DC.htm?idpage=1&idPageImage={FD89B59A-4744-4CE6-B23C-61E46F7AE1CF}
 

Iamswamee

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jbiff

I didn't think you were childish at all. Just had your toes stepped on. Now, it's time to win some dough!!! It's lottery night a lot of places. :D
 
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shirazbai said:
I hope no americans take your posts as an example of overall canadian attitude towards them. Then again, why shouldn't they? That is what you are professing anyway - to judge a whole nation of MILLIONS by the actions of a few.

Babarlish, do you similarly judge and condemn all blacks for the actions of a handful of thugs of that persuasion? Do you now condemn all muslims for the actions of a few radical extremists on 911? Do you blame all immigrants for job losses when you see all of "them" willing to work for lower wages than you?

Please don't tell me that all of this has nothing to do with your original comments of hate against americans. Those were very strong comments against a whole nation full of people, most of whom are as responsible for all the past aggressions as you or I (i.e NOT!). They had as much control over the situations as you and I - NONE! It was all the top brass, the politicians. Millions of americans throughout history have voiced and acted out opposition to all past wars. But you hate them, and that's okay. That's your right ... in this free country of ours, Canada.

Did you vote for the Conservatives the last time? If you did, then maybe I can blame YOU for all the screw ups that followed. I know, I'll blame you for that grandmother that died on the way to the emergency ward, because her ambulance got diverted to five hospitals, because of all the cutbacks. You MURDERER! Wait, oh okay, you voted for the liberals then? They were responsible for the suicide death of that poor man, husband, father of four, because they "trimmed" his WCB payments (unemployment) and he could no longer support his family. Out of desperation, he killed himself. You MURDERER! Don't worry, I can find an example and a reason to call you murderer regardless of who you voted for and even (and especially) if you didn't vote at all. How about you get blamed for every single thing your company does wrong and it gets taken out of your pay? Sounds fair, by your reasoning.

You don't think that was fair or similar either, Babarlish? Why? Because you wouldn't want to get blamed for something you didn't do? Ah, I see how that's so very different from the way you blame MILLIONS for something they didn't do. Yes, very different. *sigh*



Similarly .... obviously when it's corrupted at the bottom (as your hate-post shows), the whole country (Canada) must be nothing but arrogant freaks and psychopaths. How can anyone have any respect for this nation? HOW??? :)

I am proud to call myself Canadian. I am proud to be known as a citizen of a free democracy that fights racism, discrimination and all forms of hate!

P.S. If that video clip that you provided the link to is part of the basis for your hate, then have a seat, friend. I can link you to a thousand clips overnight to so many atrocities that after watching a day's worth of them, you will hate every single nation in the world, including our Canada. Man is the most vicious, gruesome animal on this planet. There is no atrocity that you could possibly imagine that man hasn't already performed at some point in history. There is documented evidence of most of it. Go read up on modern (circa 1910) world history, travel the world a bit and when you get back in a few decades, I can promise you that you will learn to love life itself. And when you love life, you love all living.

Now please don't post any more hate.

*heart* Shirazbai
Interesting...I don't see it that way...Many nations were massacre here in Canadian history...Bloodshed all over Canadian history regarding not only natives but immigrant as well...
But the biggest question is this one...Could Canada even exist if the U.S. didn't????
:confused:
 
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