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Brad

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Fahrenheit 9/11

Hmmm ... are the masses at last 'waking up' to what many outside of the US have been saying all along?

The Hawks are finally exposed 'at home' for the real vultures they are ... no wonder they fought tooth and nail not to have Moore's documentary released, starting with Disney's brass forbidding Miramax to release the film ...

Hats off to Lions Gate and IFC who stepped up to the distribution plate (a Canadian connection).

for those interested see Michael Moore's site.


... and Harper wanted to jump into bed with Bush ...
 

Babarlish

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Saddam Hussein will be back to power as President of Iraq by popular demand.

The Iraqui people will do that just to show the american invaders that all they did was totally in vain.

Then Iraq will sue the u.s. for all the damage and killing they have done, since they have failed to find any weapon of mass destruction, and invaded totally out-of-line with the U.N.

Mark my words.

Bab
 

Brad

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

.... yeah but somebody forgot to tell Iraq that the oil is American, it just happens to sit under Iraqi sand.


Operation Iraqi Liberation
 

peter

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Brad said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

.... yeah but somebody forgot to tell Iraq that the oil is American, it just happens to sit under Iraqi sand.


Operation Iraqi Liberation
And do you know why the Americans ar'nt in the Sudan... because the Sudan has nothing to offer, unless it is in the best interests of the Americans the best that they would do for a poor nation is sell them arms, bankrupting that country further.
 

Babarlish

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Brad said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

.... yeah but somebody forgot to tell Iraq that the oil is American, it just happens to sit under Iraqi sand.


Operation Iraqi Liberation

Not when the americans will have to reimburse big time to repair their monumental gaffe.

Bab
 

cleopatra

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Disney's brass did a smart thing. Why alienate most of your customers by sponsoring a crockumentary full of lies? The only ones who have praised it are the liberal media, the communist anti-war crowd, the Saddamites, and the Loony Liberal Leftists. Sensible lefties like Christopher Hitchens savaged Moore's film. Moore himself admitted that his film is propaganda. Goebbels would've been proud of Moore.

The crockumentary is already fading. Spiderman II took in more money in 1 day than Fahreheit 9/11 did in 1 week. :D

Bab: They have found WMD. Don't you follow the news? Besides there were many many more reasons than WMD for enforcing international law. The Iraqi people are going to execute Saddam, not put him back in power. Thank goodness someone had the moral courage to stop that madman instead of taking bribes from him, like most of the world was. It was extremely embarrassing for Canadians when Chretien decided blood money from Saddam was more important for his daughter and son-in-law, rather than enforcing the broken ceasefire. :mad:

Peter: The US has done more to stop the Sudanese violence than the (U)seless (N)itwits have. If the US did enter Sudan, you'd probably be screaming bloody murder. :p:
 

Brad

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Hey Cleopatra! This is not a real Code Red

You're entitled to voice your views of course, after all ours is still a free country since we have not been invaded yet, but answer this: have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Here's my quick take on your dissertation, Goebbels would have been really proud of the masterful disinformation you put forth, but I can't help to wonder who reads the propaganda to you. I also get this strange feeling that you may be relying heavily on networks like CNN for their shall we say blind-sighted (some would go as far as say biased) coverage.

Somehow I also see you marching smartly to one side. Needless to say this is again only an impression I get from your eloquent diatribe. This could however be due to the fact that when a person is hopelessly lost in the bush, the Coriolis force in the Northern hemisphere influences a sharp swing to starboard.

Oh yeah, I didn't like Chretien much either so one thing I agree on with you is that he did embarrass himself on many occasions (if such a thing is possible for a career politician). However the one strong decision he did make that I cheered for was not to blindly follow that moronic whats-his-name to Iraq.

But what do I know, I must be a red being anti-war and all that, I can't seem for the life of me to make an informed judgement based on mountains of facts from many reliable sources.
Having said that I wonder now if the meaning of Code Red should be changed? The Canadian back bacon has a slightly rouge tinge to it, no? Watch out for our opinions spilling over the 49th!! :eek:

Cheers :wavey:

P.S. what's WMD? Weapons of Mass Deception?
 
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Korax

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EUROPEANS WAKING UP TOO

Not only Saddamites or Anti-War people waking up, but Europe in general hate US!!
The list is growing everyday, and US has a date with destiny soon.

Hey Brad,

CNN they call it ZNN do u know what Z stand for ?
 

Brad

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SHHHH!!!

I know ... I know! But don't say it here, please!! ;)

that'll open up another can of worms
 

peter

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Just like Noriega in Panama when an experiment goes bad, you wipe it out, and start over, and who put Saddam in power in the first place, baby doc,Ghadafi, the list goes on.
And Oliver North belonged to which official branch of the American government. Castro is a prime example but alas he was backed by the Russians, so the Americans had to back down.
Americans= World police.
 

Brad

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The list is a loooong one ....

Pete, don't forget the Shah of Iran ... the US elephant really got that one right eh? No mess to clean up there ... didn't the Canucks sneak some hostages out? ;)

On a more recent note, Tony Blair just admitted publicly that no WMD's were uncovered and they "may never be found" ... but in his mind the effort has been justified regardless (didn't elaborate on that ... which I find rather crude). :rolleyes:
 

daleks

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CBC afternoon radio just about got it right today....if Saddam is found guilty of something and the penalty is death, they will have to hang him, electric chair him, shoot him or behead him.....no lethal injections because, after all, they never did find any chemicals..........lol......................
 

peter

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daleks said:
shoot him or behead him.....no lethal injections because, after all, they never did find any chemicals..........lol......................
Thats what happens when you are HEAD of state.:lol:
 

Brad

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Good ole CBC

Not that I'm monitoring but haven't seen CNN showing Blair's 'no nukes found' concession today .... to be fair maybe they're waiting for George W to come come forward with that :D

.... yeah, right ... maybe when Baghdad freezes over ....
 

cleopatra

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Peter, I agree with you on one thing. CNN is very biased. They are nearly as far to the Left as the CBC is. Remember all the glum faces on CBC when Saddam was captured. :D

Instead of saying "Goebbels would have been really proud of the masterful disinformation you put forth", why didn't you refute it with facts? Let me show you how you do it. ;)

Remember those sarin-filled shells the Polish troops found a couple of weeks ago? You probably aren't aware of them, since the CBC likes to ignore anything that makes Bush look good.

July 2, 2004
The rounds were tested and showed
positive for Sarin gas.

May 19, 2004
NEW YORK — Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday confirm that it did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly nerve agent sarin .

April 26, 2004
Jordan recently seized 20 tons of chemicals trucked in by confessed al Qaeda members who brought the stuff in from Syria .

Since Israeli and US intelligence saw many trucks fleeing to Syria before the enforcement of international law began against Saddam, what do you think about this? Intelligence agencies throughout the world say that Syria lacks chemical weapons, where do you think these came from? Does Al Qaeda have 20 tons of chemicals in their caves on the Afghan/Pakistan border? ;)

May 17, 2004
Two weeks ago, U.S. military units discovered mustard gas that was used as part of an IED .

June 17, 2004
U.N confirms that Iraqi WMD components found in Rotterdam scrapyard .

October 1, 2003
Kuwaiti security forces foiled an attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country .

Don't forget David Kay's report where he cited; 1) chemical and biological weapons systems, plans, "recipes" and equipment, all of which could have resumed production on a moment's notice with Saddam's approval; 2) reference strains of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents (found in the home of a prominent Iraqi biological warfare scientist); 3) new research on brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin; 4) a prison laboratory complex for testing biological weapons on humans; 5) long-range missiles (prohibited by UN resolutions) suitable for delivering WMDs; 6) documents showing Saddam tried to obtain long-range ballistic missiles from North Korea, and 7) facilities for manufacturing fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles.

Then there was the broken ceasefire and the 17 broken UN resolutions. The UN released a report on March 6, 2003 (2 weeks before the enforcement of the broken ceasefire began, and 3 months after the UN's final deadline) filled with such items as "Based on all the available evidence, the strong presumption is that about 10,000 litres of anthrax was not destroyed and may still

exist ."
 

cleopatra

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Then there was the attempted assassination of a former US president; the constant shooting at US airplanes in the UN's no-fly zone; Saddam's international support for terrorism (he openly bragged about paying Palestinians to kill Israelis and Americans in Israel); his training Al Qaeda for 9/11 at Salman Pak. Even Clinton appointed federal judge Harold Baer awarded two 9/11 families $104 million in damages last year against the state of Iraq.

And since you don't deny Chretien's daughter and son-in-law's father being a large shareholders in France's TotalFinaElf oil company (a company that was in bed with Saddam), I am mystified why you would be proud of him for having his family take blood money from Saddam and allow Saddam to spit all over the world community. :confused:

And then there is this: "Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in
power .

As for other countries not liking the USA, so what else is new? When you're on top, you're hated because people are jealous of you. If you would have visited the forums at the IIHF website during the World Hockey Championships, you'd have noted how hated Canada was by the other countries. Why? Because Canada is generally considered to be #1 in hockey.

Besides, you judge how well a country is liked by the number of people coming and leaving it. As everyone knows, many people flock to the US. Quite different from the nearly 15% who fled Iraq, isn't it? ;) Even Canada, despite having 1/9th the population of the USA, has 4 to 5 times more people leaving Canada to move to the USA, versus Americans coming to Canada to live. I believe the last time that more Americans came to live in Canada, than vice versa, was during the Vietnam War, when all the draft dodgers fled to Canada. I won't even bring up the number of Canadians who flock to the USA to get healed, because of Canada's hapless healthcare. Oops. I just did. :D :D

Another reason why many countries (with the exception of the 55 countries in the coalition) wanted Saddam in power was because they were being bribed by him. Here is the list of companies, individuals and the countries they are
from . You might notice the head of the UN's Oil for Food Program under Panama.

Speaking of the UN's Oil for Food Program, there is the little matter of the $10.1 billion they made while the Iraqis were being robbed and killed on a daily basis. No we know why they were in no hurry to get rid of him. ;)
To the best of my knowledge, the only 2 major media who are on this story is the Wall Street Journal and Fox News. The liberal media has ignored it, or buried it on Page A14 in their papers. You must remember that the media is overwhelmingly liberal. This has been proven time and time again in polls and research studies. In 2000, 89 of the 96 Washington reporters who cover the White House voted liberal. You simply cannot trust the liberal media when it comes to reporting on a Conservative President. They will either outright lie, or put a spin on anything that makes look Bush look good, or a spin on anything that makes Kerry look bad.
Canada's media might even be worse. At least the US has a news station - Fox News - that presents another side. Canada has no such alternative. :(
Just look at how Canada's media hounded Harper. Instead of talking about national security (Al Qaeda names Canada #5 on its hit list), or tax cuts, the embarrassingly weak military, and Adscam, or why Martin broke his promise to get to the bottom of what went wrong regarding Adscam, before calling an election, the media ignored this, and hounded Harper about gay marriage and abortion. :eek:

But at least you didn't shout "NO BLOOD FOR OIL!" ;) Cheers! :wavey:
 

thornc

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I usually don't join in these flame wars, but I have had it with these blind people!

So you are saying that the leader of USA's biggest ally and follower is absolutely wrong? Or worse yet he is lying to official inquiry of his country?

I think you should read a bit about chemistry.... specially the part of "lifetime" of organic compounds!

Hah and don't forget who armed Mr.Hussein in the first place... and asked him to attack Iran!

In my modest oppinion, the US of A should at least try to be coherent!! They attacked Iraq because of the so called WMD that they "had" and could use, but they seemed to forget about the WMD of their friends of Pakistan and Israel which are more likely to use them then Mr.Hussein!

Heck, they are on Iran back about their nuclear program and up to today... no one know nothing about Israel's nuclear capability .... maybe because the nice litle jewish community back home would make a huge fuss if the USA would start poking around!!

My only conclusion on this Afganistan/Iraq affair is that someone at the white house forgot to do the homework!
 

Brad

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Very good points Thornc

Do you know what I think? Cleopatra has gone off on a bit of a tangent by including things such as health care and hockey in a WMD discussion :D

Why? I can only speculate ... but I'd rather not. I will spend a wee effort in 'blowing holes' in some of the 'facts' provided ... but then I'm done trying to educate someone who ignores what we think is obvious (they'll be either with me or against me ... there is no in-between :rolleyes: ).

I'd much rather waste my time guessing at Lotto :lol:


See below :eek: (but later, I'm tired now :sleeping: )
 
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cleopatra

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Thornc, since you are implying that the US armed Saddam, then I am sure you will have no problem naming one weapon in the Iraqi arsenal that was made in the USA. Name the specific weapon – missile, bomb, fighter, tank or shell – that is US-made or has US equipment installed in it. I anxiously await your answer.

Btw, I'm not sure why you called this a flame war. If you mean me, I am not flaming anyone.

It's not my fault you are easily duped by the liberals who dominate the media. Why would Blair say something so outlandish, when there has been numerous instances of WMD found? I suspect the media is lying or taking some quote out of text or doing some creative editing. They are noted for that. Their conduct and reliability has been deplorable regarding Iraq. How sad that Lee Hamilton (one of the chairmen of the 9/11 commission) had to call a press conference and express dismay at how the media was saying the 9/11 report showed no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, when the report clearly DID NOT say that; in fact, it said the opposite.

And your claim that the US "asked" Saddam to invade Iran is utterly ridiculous. Of course, you offer no credible proof, not even a shred of proof.

And don't try and talk chemistry. WMD were illegal when he signed his ceasefire agreement...Period!

Now let me get this straight. You claim that a democracy (Israel) is more likely to use them than Saddam (a massmurdering genocidal dictator that sponsored international terrorism) was?!

:rolleyes:

Brad, did that health care issue touch a nerve? :D
I anxiously await your "blowing holes" in my "probable facts". :D
How can a fact be probable? :confused:
Anyways, can't wait to see your...ahem...proof. :)
 
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