Winning numbers how there are selected

[mirage]

(Originally posted by kosteczki)

I am off topic I know but, GillesD, do you work for OLGC???

kosteczki,

I'm pretty sure GillesD does not work for OLGC. Just because he has a lot of factual data at his finger tips does not mean he works for OLGC. His profile states he does not even live in Ontario, but in Montreal, Quebec! He probably knows more about data than OLGC employees except for the super number crunchers who work there. I believe that he's just well informed. He is generous enough to provide lots of free numerical data for this site. Just because he enjoys numbers and facts, that's all. However, I should probably have let him answer your question.

 

[mirage]

(Originally posted by nextlotto)

Whether the lottery is rigged or not is up for debate. But based from my own experience with Canada's 6/49, it's not a very good game to play if you're trying to hit the bigger prizes. These are the facts:

1. This is a game that can be played by people employed by OLGC.

2. The drawings are not televised.

3. Many of the winners are "Anonymous"

4. The cost of each bet is too high and the winnings too low. So if you're a big player who makes many bets, the winnings do not help offset the cost.

I've studied this game quite a bit and compared it with other 6/49 games around the world. From what I can see, Canada's 6/49 game is quite different in the way it behaves and very difficult to predict. It may be because they have really good machines or it may be because someone is rigging it but in the end, you decide where you want to place your hard earned money in. A game that you believe you can win in or a game you don't. For me I don't believe in the Canadian lottery.

nextlotto,

so where are you and what game would you recommed to play?

 

[blingy]

3. Many of the winners are "Anonymous"

This statement is false...I've never known any big winners not to be identified and remain anonymous. Its a legal contract you sign prior to receiving your payment that allows the lotto corporation to use your identity, picture etc as they see fit. Of course, they dont post your person info, just your name.

In the US you can remain anonymous but as far as I know in Canada you can't.

am i mistaken?

 

[nextlotto]

Hi Mirage,

I can't really recommend any other lotteries in Canada to play. You can try some of other lotteries around the world though but make sure you check in to the rules, cost, and winnings.

I'm currently trying my hand at the stocks and other investment products since I can apply pretty much use what I've learned by playing the lottery (Stats, trends etc).

 

[nextlotto]

Hi Blingy,

In the states, by law, all winners are public record. Which means anyone can go and look it up. It's not so here. Yes, one does have to agree to have his or her name published but that doesn't mean the lottery corporations are required to publish it. When they do it's geared towards a specific market, it's usually a senior citizen, student or a person from an area where they sell lots of tickets, like Scarborough.

From my point of view, even if they do publish each and every name on their website somewhere or like the charity big ticket thing in Toronto Star, I would still choose not play due to any of the three other reasons in my previous post.

I just think they need to develop better products, rules and trust with their consumers.

Anyways, that's why I've stopped playing Canadian Lotteries.

Cheers everyone

 

[PAB]

Hi Everyone,

I Notice that "Gluecksplilz" Began this Thread on the 20th of February 2005, and then as if by MAGIC, Disappeared!.
Do you think the Question ...
"DO YOU OR HAVE YOU WORKED FOR THE LOTTO CORP?, IF SO WHY DIVULGE ALL THIS INFO?."
... Frightened them Off?.
It does Appear on Reading his Initial Post that he has had at Least some Affiliation with the Lotto Corporation, But More Important, the Lotto is FIXED. Nice Statement for All the Conspiracists out there.
This Thread has Indeed taken Many Interesting Turns.

All the Best.
PAB

 

[mirage]

Hi Everyone,

I Notice that "Gluecksplilz" Began this Thread on the 20th of February 2005, and then as if by MAGIC, Disappeared!.
Do you think the Question ...
"DO YOU OR HAVE YOU WORKED FOR THE LOTTO CORP?, IF SO WHY DIVULGE ALL THIS INFO?."
... Frightened them Off?.
It does Appear on Reading his Initial Post that he has had at Least some Affiliation with the Lotto Corporation, But More Important, the Lotto is FIXED. Nice Statement for All the Conspiracists out there.
This Thread has Indeed taken Many Interesting Turns.

All the Best.
PAB

PAB,

I take it you don't agree with the conspiracists or do you?
Or do you think the fellow is just trying to stir up controversy, to scare people away from developing systems particularly?

Sorry, I haven't followed all your posts but in other threads you seem to have been seriously persuing filter type formulas and techniques. You seem really intent on developing these. Is this just some fun or do you really think it might lead to a win?

(What part of UK are you in? Well, I don't really expect you to answer this if it is too personal. I was born in Sussex, Southeastern part of England, my mother's family is mostly in the London, UK, area.)

All the best!

 

[mirage]

(Originally posted by nextlotto)

Hi Mirage,

I can't really recommend any other lotteries in Canada to play. You can try some of other lotteries around the world though but make sure you check in to the rules, cost, and winnings.

I'm currently trying my hand at the stocks and other investment products since I can apply pretty much use what I've learned by playing the lottery (Stats, trends etc).

Yeah, i "hear" what you are saying....
I have not much looked into lottos around the world, yet, really.

Re: stocks and investments - for sure I would be doing the same thing... I just need a little capital to get started...
Thanks all the same!

 

[jenjen]

Hi All,

There is a website emerging out to help on the lottery. Check out this website : http://www.winlotterytips.com

 

[tomtom]

I can't really recommend any other lotteries in Canada to play. You can try some of other lotteries around the world though but make sure you check in to the rules, cost, and winnings.

I'm currently trying my hand at the stocks and other investment products since I can apply pretty much use what I've learned by playing the lottery (Stats, trends etc).

The best 6/49 lottery game all around the globe is Western49. The guys use a ball machine and tickets are 50cents, while the prizes are quite fair.... unfortunately, it seems it's not offered out of province(s) - online, so gotta either be a visitor or resident in order to play it...

 

[tomtom]

It seems even better may be the Atlantic49. The guys also use ball machines, 2 tickets (either own numbers or quick picks) for a dollar, and prizes are very good. A 1.000.000 main prize, almost 65000 for a 5 +B , etc….

Further, it seems those guys have a quite fine lower odds game -Pik 4, and also a quite nice Keno (70 numbers DAILY game) where for example the 9/9/20 with odds of about 1: 387.000 would bring 50.000 to a lucky winner. Of course, 10/ 10 would bring much more….

Here is a link to their web site

 

[PAB]

Hi mirage,

I take it you don't agree with the conspiracists or do you? ...

I Must Admit that I am a Big Conspiracist ( Kennedy, Maryln Monroe, Princess Diana, & was there Really a Moon Landing, to Name a Few ).

... or do you think the fellow is just trying to stir up controversy, to scare people away from developing systems particularly?.

That is an Interesting Comment. I Don't think it Matters what he Says, Or Whether he Did Or Does have an Affiliation with the Lotto Corporation, it is Human Nature to try and Beat the Odds and Win. As Long as there are Winners on a Fairly Regular Basis we think that it could Just be us Next Draw.

... in other threads you seem to have been seriously persuing filter type formulas and techniques. You seem really intent on developing these. Is this just some fun or do you really think it might lead to a win?.

I Love Numbers & Statistics. I Really do Believe that Using Filters to Reduce the Number of Combinations can Possibly give a Slight Edge. Saying that However, we ALL Know that EVERY Combination has EXACTLY the Same Chance of Being Drawn as Any Other as Far as the Odds are Concerned. But in Reality, there are Trends that Occur and Certain Statistics that Jump Out, Albeit for Past Draws, we Just Hope they Last Long Enough for us to Get a Piece of the Action ( who am I Kidding! ).

I Actually Live in Surrey, which is a Lovely Part of the South of England. You didn't Say Where you Actually are.
Oh well, Back to my Filters.

Good Luck.
All the Best.
PAB

 

[mirage]

Hi mirage,


I Must Admit that I am a Big Conspiracist ( Kennedy, Maryln Monroe, Princess Diana, & was there Really a Moon Landing, to Name a Few ).



That is an Interesting Comment. I Don't think it Matters what he Says, Or Whether he Did Or Does have an Affiliation with the Lotto Corporation, it is Human Nature to try and Beat the Odds and Win. As Long as there are Winners on a Fairly Regular Basis we think that it could Just be us Next Draw.



I Love Numbers & Statistics. I Really do Believe that Using Filters to Reduce the Number of Combinations can Possibly give a Slight Edge. Saying that However, we ALL Know that EVERY Combination has EXACTLY the Same Chance of Being Drawn as Any Other as Far as the Odds are Concerned. But in Reality, there are Trends that Occur and Certain Statistics that Jump Out, Albeit for Past Draws, we Just Hope they Last Long Enough for us to Get a Piece of the Action ( who am I Kidding! ).

I Actually Live in Surrey, which is a Lovely Part of the South of England. You didn't Say Where you Actually are.
Oh well, Back to my Filters.

Good Luck.
All the Best.
PAB

PAB,

Thank you for that Very Interesting and Gentlemanly Post!

Actually I was from Brighton. Have been back over 'ome several times. Miss the country, but it is Expensive to Live there, compared with Canada.

Good Luck with the Numbers!
All the Best.

 

[buddy5]

Lets face it: All gambling is not on the up and up, it is made for them, example ALC to become very very rich on our money.

Its know mystery, all gambling is fixed, and only they will prevail!

All I ever see winning 649 is ONT and QUE, almost all the time, over and over and over.................................................................

They must think we are pretty stupid not to notice! Da Da Da!

What, do they have to pay off Quebec so they don't separate!

And Ontario must be making up for the Sars outbreak in Toronto!
Or something that our government owes them.

I don't buy 649 anymore, its all bull. but if i did here would be my numbers 4 8 11 12 25 28

so be it!

 

[Brad]

Here we go again ...

The 'observation' that most lottery winners come from Ontario and Quebec has been discussed a few times already (notice I held back and didn't say "been beaten to death"? ).

All one has to do is look at the population distribution and deduce a rough percentage of winners from the more populous provinces (or all of them). And if you still don't believe it then Stats Canada will likely confirm the above "assumption".

example - for the year ended March 31/04, the Total Net Expenditure (TNE) for Lottery by Province:

ON _ $1.034 Billion
QC _ $0.850 B
BC _ $0.434 B
AB _ $0.206 B
NS _ $0.091 B
MB _ $0.079 B
NF _ $0.077 B
NB _ $0.073 B
SK _ $0.062 B
PEI_ $0.015 B
----------------
TOT $2.921 B

TNE = amount spent by players after deducting money returned as prizes

Someone else can put the actual population numbers beside each province to further compare the breakdown ... and most likely find why about 2 thirds of the prizes go to ON+QC.

There maybe differences which can be explained by local gambling habits, such as:
on average every Canadian spends $120 (TNE) on lotteries per year,
but an avg Joe only spends $83 in SK,
whereas in QC he spends $143 anually.

One interesting stat is that if you include all forms of gambling available (Lottos, Casinos, VLTs, Bingo, Horses), then Joe SK spends $676 vs $466 of Joe QC ... and many more stats are available to those who care to look for them ...

 

[nipsirc]

Like I always say......... "NO RISK, NO GLORY" !!!

If you have hopes to become super 'millionaire' rich some day, the lottery is the only key cause working on a 9 to 5 job won't do it........ unless you discovered a new invention to topple microsoft windows.

 

[Brad]

Haves and Have-nots

Oh yeah, one more thing:

there's no such thing as Lottery Equalization Payments between provinces btw .... at least not yet