what edlottery thinks

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edlottery

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watch or play these numbers for the rest of 2005
also watch (if my guess is right the lottery numbers will start changing if people play these numbers)
controlled system ed lottery
12 23 19 30 33 06
10 11 19 30 07 18
11 33 06 07 29 02
10 12 23 18 29 02
11 23 19 30 07 08
10 12 19 06 18 08
10 11 23 33 29 08
30 06 07 18 29 08
10 19 33 06 02 08
12 30 33 07 02 08
11 23 06 18 02 08
10 11 12 07 18 09
11 12 30 33 29 09
10 23 06 07 29 09
23 33 07 18 29 09
11 12 19 06 02 09
10 19 33 07 02 09
23 19 30 18 02 09
11 12 23 19 07 20
10 12 30 33 18 20
10 23 19 30 29 20
12 19 06 07 29 20
11 19 33 18 29 20
10 11 30 06 02 20
23 33 07 18 02 20
12 30 29 02 08 20
23 30 33 06 09 20
11 12 23 08 09 20
10 30 07 08 09 20
33 06 18 08 09 20
19 29 02 08 09 20
 
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GillesD

Member
Conspiracy or wild guess

edlottery

You posted some of your thoughts but I do not see any data justifying those. I hope you will provide me and other members here more information. Here are a few comments coming to my mind.

A - Your combinations

You listed 31 combinations (186 numbers) but altogether, you used only 15 numbers in these combinations, each number appearing either 12 or 13 times. So obviously a wheel with numbers ranging from 02 to 33.

B - Performance of your 31 combinations

If your 31 combinations are compared to the 2,237 draws of Lotto 6/49, the following results are obtained for the percentage of winning numbers (WN) with the theorical value also indicated:
- 0 WN: 44.2% actual value and 43.6% theorical value
- 1 WN: 41.3% actual value and 41.3% theorical value
- 2 WN: 12.8% actual value and 13.2% theorical value
- 3 WN: 1.65% actual value and 1.77% theorical value
- 4 WN: 0.07% actual value and 0.10% theorical value
- 5 WN: 0.00% actual value and 0.00% theorical value
- 5 WN+B: 0.00% actual value and 0.00% theorical value
- 6 WN: 0.00% actual value and 0.00% theorical value

There are some minor differences between each combinations but no combination stands out (either very good or very bad). So your combinations appear to be fairly representative.

So up to that point, I have no problem but then you make some very generic comments that are unproven and worse, can not be proven eventually. Why?

C – Comments on change, conspiracy, etc.

You say “if my guess is right the lottery numbers will start changing if people play these numbers”. This very broad statement raises a few questions of my own:

- “if people play these numbers”: Who are those people (members of this board, the general public, etc.)? How will they know that’s these numbers should or should not be played? How many times must these numbers be played to have the effect you forecast? How will you know if these numbers are actually played or not? To my knowledge, such information is never made public. And with the large number of combinations sold (about 7,500,000 tickets sold for each draw across Canada), it would take a massive input of your combinations to really make an effect.

- “the lottery numbers will start changing”: On what basis can you and will you measure this change? Distribution of all individual numbers, distribution of the 15 numbers you choose, any other measurement, etc.? Will you compare the data up to the end of 2005 against the first 6 months of 2005, the last 200, 500, 1000 draws or against all draws. Obviously you can not expect exact duplication of data over some undefined period of time but how significant will be the change you predict?

Then you seem to indicate that there is a great conspiracy going on. On what basis? Your combinations will or will not be favoured in those draws? Who will the winners of this conspiracy? Who would benefit from it?

But I will give this, you are right for one thing (well at least 2 words): “MY GUESS”. The problem is that all your saying is just that: a wild guess based on no hard facts. So in 6 months, you can come back and say: “See I told you” but I would rather like to have more indications now on what you forecast, predict, guess or whatever.
 
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edlottery

Member
conspiracy or wild guess reply

watch or play these numbers for the rest of 2005
also watch (if my guess is right the lottery numbers will start changing if people play these numbers)
controlled system ed lottery
12 23 19 30 33 06
10 11 19 30 07 18
11 33 06 07 29 02
10 12 23 18 29 02
11 23 19 30 07 08
10 12 19 06 18 08
10 11 23 33 29 08
30 06 07 18 29 08
10 19 33 06 02 08
12 30 33 07 02 08
11 23 06 18 02 08
10 11 12 07 18 09
11 12 30 33 29 09
10 23 06 07 29 09
23 33 07 18 29 09
11 12 19 06 02 09
10 19 33 07 02 09
23 19 30 18 02 09
11 12 23 19 07 20
10 12 30 33 18 20
10 23 19 30 29 20
12 19 06 07 29 20
11 19 33 18 29 20
10 11 30 06 02 20
23 33 07 18 02 20
12 30 29 02 08 20
23 30 33 06 09 20
11 12 23 08 09 20
10 30 07 08 09 20
33 06 18 08 09 20
19 29 02 08 09 20


Lotto 6/49 02 18 22 38 39 44 10 SAT 07/02
gee whiz watch the numbers now like i said as long as there is a drop system it is controlled
 
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edlottery

Member
ed lotterys reply to GillesD

dear GillesD
Super Senior Member

also for your information i have asked the lottery corp to eliminate the drop system with no success, so until then if they can't do this i will still continue to believe it is controlled
thank u and have a nice day
 
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GillesD

Member
Fixed lottery

I find your request a little odd.

You request that the lottery commision forget the current ball system and replace it by what? An electronic program that would generate the winning combination?

I know you will say that the balls are controlled to come out in a specific order but I have my doubts on this grand fixing theory.

But I would be much much more doubtful on any other system. It seems to me it would be quite easier to fix it then. It is so much easy to program a specific set of numbers than bouncing balls

For the big question. Why would the government take a chance on fixing the lottery? To them, it is easy money: about 45% of all money you, me and all other bet. You would continue betting if it was proven that it is fixed? And this has been running for more that 20 years.

I know you feel the lottery commission change the numbers since they check your numbers and adjust the winning numbers so you do not win but it is the same for me and most of those here.
 
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Brad

Member
That guess is a bit farfetched ...

Hmmm ... what about the person who won the last JP? Was he/she a relative of the ball dropper?

Yikes!! What we must have here then, friends, is a giant lotto-scam, bring on Gomery!! He can sort it out!! Heads will roll!! Maybe we should number the heads and put them in a drum!! Adscam pales in comparison!! It must be the Liberals' doing!! :D


I agree with Gilles, Lotto-corps get their generous cut regardless of who wins the prizes. The last thing in their interest is to try and manipulate the draws, because if it ever got out that they even tried such a thing they would lose the trust of all of the ppl immediately ... then good bye Golden Goose-Eggs!!

People in the government are not necessarily the brightest bulbs available but they're not so dim as to jeopardize what is in effect a voluntary tax. How many ppl do you know that like to pay taxes? I know none ... but I know many who happily plop down their $$ to play lotto, twice every week.

There will always be naysayers who profess foul play but until they can show actual proof, not just empty speculations, the lotteries will roll merrily along, IMO.


Cheers


PS they have better ways of increasing their revenues, like doubling the ticket prices for example ;)
 
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edlottery

Member
ed lottery thinks

dear fellows
i am saying instead of the drop system u pic the ball out of the center of the cylinder then i would be happy
i do know the balls vary in weight because i asked the lottery corp
 
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GillesD

Member
Fixed lottery

edlottery

Could you explain what you mean by "pic the ball out of the center of the cylinder"; I do not understand that part.

And it is obvious that balls of the different sets vary in weight. Even with the most precise equipment, two products (let alone 49 of them) can not be made exactly equal and will always differ from each other. Precision is just a matter of the measuring equipment.

And I can assure you that all balls in a given set also differ in diameter, roundness, resilience, surface roughness, etc. All these characteristics affect how each ball bounces. Add this to the time factor (how long they are mixed) and the characteristics of the sphere itself in which they are mixed and you get a system that is impossible to duplicate exactly from draw to draw. This results in a nearly perfrect random order of balls being drawn.
 
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edlottery

Member
edlottery to GillesD

I mean where a apparatus goes into the center of the cylinder and literally catches the ball individually.
 
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Irvin

Member
They use something similar like that to draw the power Ball in NZ.

The balls bounce around the place then settle and an arm pops up from the centre with the ball.
 
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edlottery

Member
edlottery

gee whiz guys look at the numbers on wed july 6th
5 7 23 25 31 49 16 bonus what happen to 8 10 11 they are leaving us now
 
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Brad

Member
Ok Ed, can I call you that? Saves on typing ;)

Not sure if I agree with your observations, nor if I fully understand what you're really trying to say ... but let's leave that aside for the moment.

You made a statement here a while ago about 80% accuracy from 24 numbers.

What exactly did you mean by that? Can you predict all 6 numbers from 24 that frequently, four times out of five draws? Would you care to demonstrate that to us? I think many here would like to see that.

Just for the record, the Win Frequency Chart (from GH) states that in any 6/49 one can expect to trap all the winning numbers (6) in a group of 24 every 104 draws ... which is about 1%

And if you're concerned the lotto-corp will alter their results should someone actually play the numbers you supply, then wait for 5 min after closing (till 9:05 PM in Ont.) before posting.
 
Brad

Brad

Member
Huh??

No wheels are needed for this challenge, just want to know if you can pick 6/24 as reliably as you say.

It's time to put your numbers where your mouth is, so to speak :D
 
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edlottery

Member
edlottery to brad

also would like to do that but lately the numbers have gone off direction so will have to watch them for approx. 10 draws to see how the pattern is going
but for now and they might not go very well but i will give u 24 numbers with at least 3 numbers coming up 12 19 24 30 41 43 8 34 2 6 11 20 32 36 15 29 17 1 48 45 9 3 4 27
 
Brad

Brad

Member
Hmmm ... not 80% anymore?

Don't misunderstand Ed, here's where I was headed with this:

people make claims all the time but not all claims are easy to prove, so how is one to know what's real and what is imagined, assumed or just plain bogus?

So far we touched on 2 of your claims, the one about Lotto-corps being corrupt is difficult (if not impossible) to prove or disprove so I don't really want to go there anymore.

But your claim of being of 80% accurate when picking 6/24 is very simple to demonstrate as I stated earlier.
You need no wheels, you need not give up any "free info" if that is your concern, and if you can really do it then my hat's off to you! I was willing to wait 5 or few more draws to see if you could really do it.

Why? Because if you could eliminate 25 numbers from the game as often as you say then you'd have essentially reduced a 6/49 to a 6/24, which is not a small feat to accomplish.

Now you want to wait 10 draws before you can begin? That kinda lowers your 80% efficiency right there, eh??

And 3/24 is not as impressive btw; one can expect to trap those about once every 3 draws ...
 
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edlottery

Member
ed lottery to brad

as u can see the 24 numbers i posted have have been way off base .

everyone can see i only got 1 number which totally is out in space strange this has happened however people seeing this just have to go to the other 25 numbers and probably be successful

24 numbers for july 13th
4 8 9 11 12 19 20 24 34 37 43 41 29 1 15 27 30 32 33 35 45 46 47 48 these numbers should be good this time 6 numbers should come out of these (enjoy)
 
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ChrisJ

Member
he he he :lol:

25 numbers?

Even I can do better than 25 numbers.

I will give you 20 numbers and in that 20, you would get at least 4 numbers
 
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