Truthful Answers Please
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How many numbers do my systems generate? Truthful answer -- way too many to play on my budget.
Check out the Number-Picker's Challenge posts to see how some of the board regulars do picking 20 numbers for a 6/49 lottery. In 18 months of those challenges only a handful of 6 matches were obtained and, of course, most of those would have qualified the player for a 5/6 + Bonus prize.
It is always a fight to whittle down the available numbers into a small enough set of potential winners to wheel for a draw. In Ontario we used to have a $1 Million 6/49 game that cost only $0.50 to play, so I used to buy 20 tickets. When they put the price up to a buck I quit playing it.
Good luck!
Check out the Number-Picker's Challenge posts to see how some of the board regulars do picking 20 numbers for a 6/49 lottery. In 18 months of those challenges only a handful of 6 matches were obtained and, of course, most of those would have qualified the player for a 5/6 + Bonus prize.
It is always a fight to whittle down the available numbers into a small enough set of potential winners to wheel for a draw. In Ontario we used to have a $1 Million 6/49 game that cost only $0.50 to play, so I used to buy 20 tickets. When they put the price up to a buck I quit playing it.
Good luck!
FlourishingLight
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I don't use the numbers that the Gail Howard software picks. I do my best to get my own set....below 12. Using 10 numbers to wheel is even better. But, here is my dilemma. Before I used the Gail Howard software, I was getting more wins by doing my own system. BUT, I am determined to be able to have more than the couple 3 number wins a month, and more than one 4 number win every three months, which is what I was averaging. I was able to pick just 8 to 12 numbers to wheel. Most of the time, just 8 or 9. I got the Gail Howard software so I could try to figure out where the holes were in my own system, but now all I get is too many numbers and refuse to spend that much money unless I could pick power numbers to make the wheeling less expensive. That has proven a failure and very frustrating. Yet, what she has to say makes SO MUCH sense! I mean, the numbers DO come out in a balanced way. I see that clearly. Highs/Lows, Odds/Evens, and if you look at the number group bias tracker, that also really works. Still....too many numbers in those categories. The numbers seem to come out so balanced, most of the time, there is no place to call the opposite bias. I am beginning to feel that unless there is some serious bias to take advantage of....there is no point in playing at all.
My old system....the one I just made up as I went along isn't worth going back to on its own, as I was still on the losing end of the stick. I am not sure that I would ever win the jackpot in my old way of doing things, even though I had some better results. So, I am going to wait to play, again, until I can get some Guidance from the Universe as to where the real solution is. I know there is one. I know it.
Here is the thing that most people don't consider. Nothing, NOTHING is really random. Everything has a rhythm and order to it. Just because we can't see it yet....doesn't mean it isn't solvable. I'm opening to suggestions. I try the things that I read here. (I can't wrap my head around the Excel program, though, so I don't do those).
Someone else here, in another thread, said that he notices that certain patterns work for a while and fizzle out. That is what I notice, too. Just as I catch on to a pattern that is happening....it is usually at the end of the pattern.
For example, I just posted here about numbers coming out seven away from previous one, two (or three) draws. I posted that the day after five of the 6 numbers were spaced seven apart in the same drawing. If I had played that set, I would've had 5 of 6 numbers right in more than one line, because I would've played every combination of seven numbers. The numbers were 10-14-28-35-42-49. Yes, some were 14 apart. But, if you look at the fact that 7-14-21-28-35-42-49 were the only numbers that could be played, every seven starting at 7, then, I would've had 5 numbers correct. I don't think it ever came out that way before. BUT, I had noticed the seven away thing, many months ago. Didn't capitalize on it. Dang it!
This morning, I was looking again at multiple games, here in Florida, and see that in almost every drawing, there is a 7 or 14 away set. At least one, sometimes two. How to take advantage of that knowledge? I have no idea. I have been playing around with it, and must accept the fact that I missed the boat, the other drawing ago. Oh well! I have also noted that in the next drawing, there will be one or two that are seven or fourteen away from the last draw or the previous draw. It works in Lotto, Powerball, and Fantasy 5. I still can't figure out if it is worth paying attention to.
FL
My old system....the one I just made up as I went along isn't worth going back to on its own, as I was still on the losing end of the stick. I am not sure that I would ever win the jackpot in my old way of doing things, even though I had some better results. So, I am going to wait to play, again, until I can get some Guidance from the Universe as to where the real solution is. I know there is one. I know it.
Here is the thing that most people don't consider. Nothing, NOTHING is really random. Everything has a rhythm and order to it. Just because we can't see it yet....doesn't mean it isn't solvable. I'm opening to suggestions. I try the things that I read here. (I can't wrap my head around the Excel program, though, so I don't do those).
Someone else here, in another thread, said that he notices that certain patterns work for a while and fizzle out. That is what I notice, too. Just as I catch on to a pattern that is happening....it is usually at the end of the pattern.
For example, I just posted here about numbers coming out seven away from previous one, two (or three) draws. I posted that the day after five of the 6 numbers were spaced seven apart in the same drawing. If I had played that set, I would've had 5 of 6 numbers right in more than one line, because I would've played every combination of seven numbers. The numbers were 10-14-28-35-42-49. Yes, some were 14 apart. But, if you look at the fact that 7-14-21-28-35-42-49 were the only numbers that could be played, every seven starting at 7, then, I would've had 5 numbers correct. I don't think it ever came out that way before. BUT, I had noticed the seven away thing, many months ago. Didn't capitalize on it. Dang it!
This morning, I was looking again at multiple games, here in Florida, and see that in almost every drawing, there is a 7 or 14 away set. At least one, sometimes two. How to take advantage of that knowledge? I have no idea. I have been playing around with it, and must accept the fact that I missed the boat, the other drawing ago. Oh well! I have also noted that in the next drawing, there will be one or two that are seven or fourteen away from the last draw or the previous draw. It works in Lotto, Powerball, and Fantasy 5. I still can't figure out if it is worth paying attention to.
FL
Flourishing Light said:
"Here is the thing that most people don't consider. Nothing, NOTHING is really random. Everything has a rhythm and order to it. Just because we can't see it yet....doesn't mean it isn't solvable."
Completely agree!!! I have been saying this for years and most can't or won't understand. My belief is that randomness is a system that is too complex for our puny understanding, or maybe we just need one breakthrough to understand how it works. Once you study random numbers enough some of the order becomes apparent. This is more obvious on the smaller games like Pick 3 than on the large jackpot games.
Good luck!
"Here is the thing that most people don't consider. Nothing, NOTHING is really random. Everything has a rhythm and order to it. Just because we can't see it yet....doesn't mean it isn't solvable."
Completely agree!!! I have been saying this for years and most can't or won't understand. My belief is that randomness is a system that is too complex for our puny understanding, or maybe we just need one breakthrough to understand how it works. Once you study random numbers enough some of the order becomes apparent. This is more obvious on the smaller games like Pick 3 than on the large jackpot games.
Good luck!
FlourishingLight
Member
Icewynd said:Flourishing Light said:
"Here is the thing that most people don't consider. Nothing, NOTHING is really random. Everything has a rhythm and order to it. Just because we can't see it yet....doesn't mean it isn't solvable."
Completely agree!!! I have been saying this for years and most can't or won't understand. My belief is that randomness is a system that is too complex for our puny understanding, or maybe we just need one breakthrough to understand how it works. Once you study random numbers enough some of the order becomes apparent. This is more obvious on the smaller games like Pick 3 than on the large jackpot games.
Good luck!
I have found it more difficult to spot the rhythms in the Pick 3 and 4. In the Lotto and Fantasy 5, there have a few times, over the past couple of years that I was 100% certain that a number, or even a set of numbers was coming....and they did. Other times, I can't see squat for patterns. I'm more intuitive than a lot of people, so I perceive things through energy flow. Numbers have energy and move together in a harmonious way.
As for the Pick 3 and 4 games, I avoid them only because they are played everyday. I could get into trouble trying to play those....twice a day, actually. BUT, back in 2004ish, (can't remember exactly the year), in Connecticut, I was noticing something that was paying off for a couple of months before the pattern stopped. For that short time, every tenth game was a synchronistic number pattern. 123, 234, 345, 456, etc. So, every tenth game, I played the entire set, and won every time. I told a few people about it.....and it stopped. I wondered if the pattern just died out....or did I jinx it by telling people about it?
Blessings!
FL
TheConcept
Member
Similar observations to what others have said, in terms of how to reduce the set of numbers down to something that then becomes potentially viable financially? I’m intending to start my deliberations with the Irish Lottery and only work with a set of numbers that have appeared in the last four draws(*1)doug w said:
The challenge is going to be getting a set of somewhere between 18 – 25 numbers (where 3 or 4 balls will be expected) down to e.g. 10. I’m looking to see if it’s possible to come up with ways of getting doubles (or even trebles) consistently, rather than going for the jackpot.
Yes, I'm also holding out hope that a way will be found…Icewynd said:
Years ago, when I last looked at lotteries in detail, I noticed that on the 49’s twice daily lotto here in the UK, the maximum runs in a row of the first ball drawn being even was 8. Over the 1500 draws of data I had, I could have expected at least one run of ten evens in a row, so here was a statistic that had shown over time to be consistently better than the odds. Bet365 had an option for betting on the first ball drawn being even or odd, so I set up an 8 level Martingale system, which never lost, in the six months or so I ran it for. The problem with it was that it meant having to bet every day (something that was no longer possible once I stopped having Internet access at home). There were also practical considerations (out for the day, going on holiday, internet site being down, etc. If I were prepared to commit to it and have a bankroll in the thousands of pounds(*2), then it may have been a nice little earner, but I didn’t want to take that kind of risk. But it’s always made me think that if there was potential here, why couldn’t there be potential elsewhere?
(*1) For the Irish Lottery, the probability that a ball drawn will reappear in the next four draws is around 50%. I will be tending to use probability calculations a lot in my investigations and will be happy to explain them if anyone is interested.
(*2) For a full eight iterations, £377 was required to cover an initial stake of £1. This comes down drastically if I waited for two or three evens in a row before starting, which is what I tended to do.
savagegoose
Member
mostly 6/45 here in aust. so i play all 45 numbers if i can. ie 8 games and have ea number at least once. its nice to see 8 hits, the 6 and 2 supps. and one day hope some can be on the same game.
TheConcept
Member
Sure, no problem.bloubul said:Hi TheConcept
Can you please explain" I set up an 8 level Martingale system, which never lost, in the six months" ,yes I'm interested in it, also your probability calculations, do you do it in excel??
BlouBul
Bet365 give odds of 5/6 for the first ball drawn being odd. If I stake £1, I need to stake £1 x 6/5, i.e £1.20 to recover it. From here on in, I’ll use 1.2 instead of 6/5, and ^ is ‘to the power of’
1st stake: £1. That loses
2nd stake: To recover the £1, I have to bet £1 x 1.2 = £1.20 (£1.20 x 5/6 = £1). That loses. Total spent = £1 + £1.20 = £2.20 (2.2 ^ 1)
3rd stake: To recover the £2.20, I have to bet £2.20 x 1.2 = £2.64. That loses. Total spent = £2.20 + £2.64 = £4.84 (2.2 ^ 2)
4th stake: To recover the £4.84, I have to bet £4.84 x 1.2 = £5.81 (5.808). That loses. Total spent = £4.84 + 5.81 = £10.65. (2.2 ^ 3)
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There are a couple of patterns that I spotted at the time.
The total amount spent after each stake (assuming a £1 starting stake) is 2.2^(n-1), where n is the stake number (1=first, 2=second, etc)
From the second stake onwards, the stake = 2.2^(n-2) x 1.2, where n is the stake number, as before.
For 8 evens in a row, the winning bet will occur on the 9th bet, so the total budget needed is 2.2 ^ 8 = £548.76!! (worse than the £377 figure I quoted in my previous post, which was what I thought it was, off the top of my head).
As you can see, this is very prohibitive! I ran with it initially because sometimes you could get streaks of several odds in a row, and I would risk a little by putting all the winnings from one bet onto the next three or four times in a row, then do half of the winnings towards the next. All in all, it meant logging in every day, and I nearly got burnt when I couldn’t log in a couple of times (fortunately, first ball drawn was even!).
So I switched to a system where I would wait for 2-3 evens in a row, then play. If, say there have been three evens on a row, and my first stake is the same as what I would stake if I had started from the beginning, then I would effectively win the total amount I hadn’t staked. For example:
£4.84 is the total amount spent after three losing stakes if I started with £1. If I start with £5.81 and carry on, then when the stake eventually wins, I would win £4.84. This turned out to be the most practical system. Although the winnings weren’t as big, I didn’t have to be playing every day as I would have to wait for e.g. three evens in a row. If I was expecting a long streak of evens, then I could risk waiting for four or five evens in a row. I don’t recall getting close to 8 evens in a row
Because I had worked out the formulae, any spreadsheet worked (I was using Microsoft Works at the time!)
There may be something here that someone can work with. I’ll be happy to answer any questions.
Incidentally, one poster gave me a link to all the 49’s draws, on another thread. I was curious to see what the longest run of evens in a row was. There have been 8 8’s in a row, 3 9’s, 1 10’s and 1 11’s, for all the lunchtime draws.
I actually tracked the numbers generated from GH, especially the smartpicks. Unbelievably low percentages. At one point I was betting against the smartpicks ... ie if smartpick picked the number I would automatically take it off my list as a possible. Worked fairly well except that that still left far to many numbers in the pool to choose from so I consitently missed. I've started weighting the smartpick values, but still with no success. I was looking for advice on weighting and seeing if anyone had any better success.
Gentlemen, if you would, look to many of my recent posts in the Pick 3
forum and you could get some inspiration for a more simple way to
play and maybe win big. The setups and wins should catch your attention. Most of what you will see is the complete way that they (the setup/traps) work. I will not disclose the how to do it parts but your eyes and mind will eventually disclose what is there. The adage-KISS- is exactly what I do.
Good Luck and Great wins,
Teufellj...
forum and you could get some inspiration for a more simple way to
play and maybe win big. The setups and wins should catch your attention. Most of what you will see is the complete way that they (the setup/traps) work. I will not disclose the how to do it parts but your eyes and mind will eventually disclose what is there. The adage-KISS- is exactly what I do.
Good Luck and Great wins,
Teufellj...