Sums - Bell curve data again!

mirage

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Johnph77 posted a question on Anything Goes forum April 20 re: is anyone interested in Sums - Bell curve data. Sorry I didn't get a response to your question earlier. (Responded in part in the other forum). But the answer from me is yes! In fact I am looking into these questions. I had a meeting with a professional macro designer very skilled in Excel who also teaches at the local University Business School if she could design a macro which would produce a list of combos that would equal a particular specific sum of skips, (for example). She admitted that it was a bit too challenging for her and referred me to a senior math doctorate professor type. Spoke with this individual who said he didn't understand my question (or he was shying away), to please make it more clear and then get back to him. Meanwhile, I got a lead on another, quite brilliant, lady, who analyzes numerical stats professionallly, a friend of a friend, who said that she might be able to give it a try - but she is away until next week, is busy and lives at a distance.
My question is: to Johnph77 or anyone else who thinks they might be able to tackle it: Can you do it? Is it practical and possible to do it in VB or would some other software be better?
Thank you!! :wavey:
 

mirage

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Beaker:
I thought I was picking up the thread of a general area of interest.... My question was not, has never been answered directly, to date. :(
 

Beaker

Member
mirage said:
Beaker:
I thought I was picking up the thread of a general area of interest.... My question was not, has never been answered directly, to date. :(
mirage,

this thread has this discussion.

GillesD has provided a solution to your sum-selection request at the bottom of that thread.
 

GillesD

Member
Professional ????

mirage

Your quote: "I had a meeting with a professional macro designer very skilled in Excel who also teaches at the local University Business School if she could design a macro which would produce a list of combos that would equal a particular specific sum of skips".

I doubt she meets your decription. A very simple macro can do whatever you want. Just cycle through all possible combinations with 6 FOR ... NEXT loops. For each combination, from 1-2-3-4-5-6 to 44-45-46-47-48-49, you verify if it meets the condition you want and if so, an output is made to the sheet indicating the combination. And you keep going until the end. It might not be the most elegant code but it sure does the job.

To me, you do not need to be professional macro designer or be very skilled in Excel to think of that but some common sense might be something quite useful. But you know university teachers ...

As Beaker said, I already posted a macro that can be adapted to find combinations that meets any number of conditions and write them to an Excel sheet.

What do you define exactly as "a particular specific sum of skips" and can you give me a pratical example.
 

mirage

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Thankyou GilesD Prof'l ? help is helpful

GillesD said:
mirage

Your quote: "I had a meeting with a professional macro designer very skilled in Excel who also teaches at the local University Business School if she could design a macro which would produce a list of combos that would equal a particular specific sum of skips".

I doubt she meets your decription. A very simple macro can do whatever you want. Just cycle through all possible combinations with 6 FOR ... NEXT loops. For each combination, from 1-2-3-4-5-6 to 44-45-46-47-48-49, you verify if it meets the condition you want and if so, an output is made to the sheet indicating the combination. And you keep going until the end. It might not be the most elegant code but it sure does the job.

To me, you do not need to be professional macro designer or be very skilled in Excel to think of that but some common sense might be something quite useful. But you know university teachers ...

As Beaker said, I already posted a macro that can be adapted to find combinations that meets any number of conditions and write them to an Excel sheet.

What do you define exactly as "a particular specific sum of skips" and can you give me a pratical example.

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Thank you people for not kicking me off the board for being an idiot. Thank you GilesD in particular - I knew you would rise to the request and be open to more discussion. Thank you Beaker for being patient... I've been busy trying to get a new computer and lan system, etc up and running plus running a life, and too busy to bring myself up to speed with Excel and macros (from scratch)... I became impatient and resorted to seeking help from professional progammers, et al. (They are supposedly in business to make money as well as being Professor types). You wouldn't believe the run around....
Also, I was being redundant when I said '"particular specific" sum of skips.' Sorry about that. It made my comment very vague.
I think you understood before in a previous thread where I was trying to go.
As I understand it, skips means "how many draws ago a number last hit"?
Lets take the 6 numbers that won this past Sat. in 6/49:
8, 21,24,26,34,34 (I am not using the bonus number).
8 last hit 25 draws ago, 21 last hit 12 draws ago, 24 last hit 3 draws ago, 26 last hit 11 draws ago, 34 last hit 5 draws ago, and 38 last hit 5 draws ago. This, summed up, equals "69" - the sum of the skips for last 6/49 draw.
My manual reseach shows that this is pretty high number for sum of skips, relative to other draws, for the last 13 months anyway.
I've added up and manually plotted a graph for all of the sums of skips for each draw for the last 13 months of 6/49.
I found a few interesting things. It turns out to be an irregular or raggedy bell curve. Here is one fact: for 4 draws of the 6/49 lotto in the last 13 months, the number 47 was the sum of skips. (This is approximately in the middle of the raggedy bell curve.) I think this approach could be useful predictively. I would wager that in the next 12 months, or someday, 47 as the number of the sum of skips will hit again. (This approach makes me a "trapper"). Therefore, before each lottery draw, run the program or macro to find all combos that equal 47 as the sum of the skips. (I don't know how practical this would be or if it is just a curiousity). Then apply filters to the combos to select combos to actually play. Can your macro previously posted be adapted to do this? I am wanting to have an associative number with each number from 1 to 49 and then have the macro sum the associative numbers, and then give me a list of the combos of 6 of 1 to 49 that equal a (pre-specified) sum of the associative numbers.
Thanks! :)
 
You can use LottoStatisticsXL to generate
all the data you need by using the
"trivial report" then you can copy the
data in a new sheet and apply the
Histogram function under Tools/Data Analysis/Histogram

Using the Can 6/49 database up to
draw 2114 wih B, below is the information for a
graph of your choice.

If you wish to compare with the theoretical distribution, post...

SumSkips Frequency
12 1
13 1
14 1
15 1
16 6
17 2
18 1
19 13
20 9
21 10
22 15
23 13
24 17
25 12
26 15
27 28
28 30
29 34
30 29
31 43
32 38
33 49
34 51
35 44
36 41
37 41
38 51
39 43
40 56
41 45
42 57
43 54
44 49
45 70 <--- Peak
46 50
47 57
48 52
49 50
50 55
51 49
52 51
53 46
54 39
55 37
56 43
57 37
58 41
59 43
60 32
61 37
62 21
63 24
64 37
65 29
66 20
67 22
68 13
69 18
70 16
71 15
72 14
73 15
74 7
75 17
76 7
77 9
78 9
79 6
80 11
81 6
82 9
83 6
84 5
85 9
86 3
87 3
88 8
89 3
90 4
91 2
92 2
93 6
94 6
95 1
96 3
97 4
98 5
99 2
100 1
101 0
102 1
103 0
104 1
105 3
106 2
107 0
108 0
109 0
110 0
111 0
112 0
113 1
114 1
115 0
116 0
117 0
118 0
118> 3
 

johnph77

Member
mirage -

Re skips, that number for the cited drawing is high - logic will tell you the number of skips for 6 numbers through a 6/49 lottery should total 43.

Bell curve page - http://www.johnph77.com/math/lotsum.html

VERY rudimentary at this time and not on a very high priority for further development. If there is a request for a specific game not currently listed I'll develop and add at the earliest possible available time.

VB is the preferred software for development of programs of this sort, and is a reasonably easy platform with which to work.

gl

john
 
Re: Thanks Nick

mirage said:
Nick,
That's fascinating. Thanks for this!

:agree2:

Download LottoStatisticsXL

so you can test the output for different
ranges of "Duration" and for
with or not the Bonus number

If you do not understand something
just post your questions.
 

mirage

Member
johnph77 - thanks!

johnph77 said:
mirage -

Re skips, that number for the cited drawing is high - logic will tell you the number of skips for 6 numbers through a 6/49 lottery should total 43.

Bell curve page - http://www.johnph77.com/math/lotsum.html

VERY rudimentary at this time and not on a very high priority for further development. If there is a request for a specific game not currently listed I'll develop and add at the earliest possible available time.

VB is the preferred software for development of programs of this sort, and is a reasonably easy platform with which to work.

gl

john
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Thanks johnph77 for the tip that - 43 should be expected highest occuring sum of skips. Lotto in practice follows its own rules. For the last 13 months I found the sum of skips tended to be, generally speaking, lower than "43". (i.e.: 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, and interestingly, 41 and 42, were most popular. "43" occurred the same number of times as "47", that is 4 occurences each.) However, that was last year's lotto draws. Perhaps the coming months will see a return to higher skip sums as it approaches statistical expectancies(?)
Anyway, the site that you provided a link to was impressive and could be quite useful(!) :agree: :agree: :agree:
 

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