Still looking to put together macro for sum of skips!

[Babarlish]

Ok mirage, if Barbarlish gets something done on the weekend that's suitable for your needs, then i may not do anything.. I won't have time to start any such project till monday anyways

Greetings Snides

I'll start on Saturday, but it won't be finished this weekend. I hope Mirage is not too much on a hurry. I have 2 other projects on the go. So, if you're boared, start on Monday as you mentionned above.

There is also an obstacle which I did not forsee. How to deliver the program once done. I am not really willing to expose my email addy. If I leave an email addy I think I'll be breaking the rules and LT will ban me, and push me as far away as --> http://www.mythologic.net/end

 

[Beaker]

I guess this means Beaker's a skeptic. Fair enough. (Useful feedback) I guess strategy would be to go very high, with 6/49 over 95 sum at least, excluding bonus. With filters but not too tight. Do you not have to consider huge possible combinations anyway when choosing your numbers?So what's couple/several thousand when you have filters?

I am not a filter player Filtering, IMHO, is a jackpot only strategy - very difficult to hit.

To me, your strategy is yet another filter - to add to all the other filters that one needs to use - if you use that strategy.

The key, of couse, is what sum of skips to use.

I must say, I have never seen any commercial software with this filter. If someone does code it, it will be unique.

Again, good luck with this

 

[Nick Koutras]

I am not a filter player Filtering, IMHO, is a jackpot only strategy - very difficult to hit.

To me, your strategy is yet another filter - to add to all the other filters that one needs to use - if you use that strategy.

The key, of couse, is what sum of skips to use.

I must say, I have never seen any commercial software with this filter. If someone does code it, it will be unique.

Again, good luck with this

Hi Beaker,

I do prepare a "Filters" program,
and one of the filters will be the "Sum of Skips".

I'll post version 101 very soon.

 

[mirage]

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(Originally posted by Beaker)
I am not a filter player Filtering, IMHO, is a jackpot only strategy - very difficult to hit.

To me, your strategy is yet another filter - to add to all the other filters that one needs to use - if you use that strategy.

The key, of couse, is what sum of skips to use.
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Yes, Beaker, you are exactly right. This strategy uses essentially a jackpot-only, oriented filter - with jackpot very, very difficult to hit. The other filters added in *may* garner a few small wins along the way, - but this filter will not.

 

[Beaker]

Hi Beaker,

I do prepare a "Filters" program,
and one of the filters will be the "Sum of Skips".

I'll post version 101 very soon.

Great Nick

THis could be a beneficial filter

 

[mirage]

(Original Quote by Snides)

Ok mirage, if Barbarlish gets something done on the weekend that's suitable for your needs, then i may not do anything.. I won't have time to start any such project till monday anyways
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(Original Quote by Babarlish)

Greetings Snides

I'll start on Saturday, but it won't be finished this weekend. I hope Mirage is not too much on a hurry. I have 2 other projects on the go. So, if you're boared, start on Monday as you mentionned above.

There is also an obstacle which I did not forsee. How to deliver the program once done.



Snides and Babarlish:
I was surprised when you kindly offered to do a program but I thought you would be posting it as a macro. I'm not in a real hurry. Meanwhile Nick has offered to add something into his existing software as a filter.
I do not have any lotto databases other than what Nick has already supplied on his web site. Sorry about that!
But for the primary filter, sum of skips, you don't really need a database anyway. The new skip values after every draw could be manually typed in. Other filters would require a database.
If you still want to procede for your own interest, why not just go with the 6/49's for now? Or for Lottario forget the Early Bird numbers. They would just confuse things.

- As Beaker so succinctly put it, this idea is jackpot strategy only, and thus, has weaknesses.

 

[Snides]

The idea I had for the program would use the entire history though.. My thoughts would be that you could look up any draw and see the previous sum of skips and prepare a wheel based upon the sum of skip value you would have selected, or try a few different ones, and see how it would have performed for the next draw. That way you can determine if it would actually work the way you hoped it to, or if it is just too much of a hassle to pick a proper sum of skips.. I guess I will start coding it up monday, as time permits, and would likely have something finished by the end of the week. As for distributing, I've placed items on my website and allowed people to view/download from there and LT hasn't complained, so that's how I would distribute.. if for some reason that is not an approved method, I'd imagine LT could add it to the "free lotto goodies" section on here..

 

[mirage]

The idea I had for the program would use the entire history though.. My thoughts would be that you could look up any draw and see the previous sum of skips and prepare a wheel based upon the sum of skip value you would have selected, or try a few different ones, and see how it would have performed for the next draw. That way you can determine if it would actually work the way you hoped it to, or if it is just too much of a hassle to pick a proper sum of skips.. I guess I will start coding it up monday, as time permits, and would likely have something finished by the end of the week. As for distributing, I've placed items on my website and allowed people to view/download from there and LT hasn't complained, so that's how I would distribute.. if for some reason that is not an approved method, I'd imagine LT could add it to the "free lotto goodies" section on here..

Hmmm... I'm busy today and maybe tomorrow. Let me think about that. Haven't seen your website in my travels. Can you give me some directions? Thanks!

 

[arcwelder]

Mirage,

(please don't laugh at my English - it is not my mother tongue)
I may not understand second part of your problem / task properly but if what you are looking for is: 'All possible combinations from 6/49 that have sum equal to the one you would like to select' - then expect this:

(results for 6/49 only, bonus not included)
(first column: your sum, second column: number of all combinations with such a sum)
21 1
22 1
23 2
24 3
25 5
26 7
27 11
28 14
29 20
30 26
31 35
32 44
33 58
34 71
35 90
36 110
37 136
38 163
39 199
40 235
41 282
42 331
43 391
44 454
45 532
46 612
47 709
48 811
49 931
50 1057
51 1206
52 1360
53 1540
54 1729
55 1945
56 2172
57 2432
58 2702
59 3009
60 3331
61 3692
62 4070
63 4494
64 4934
65 5425
66 5938
67 6503
68 7092
69 7741
70 8413
71 9150
72 9915
73 10746
74 11607
75 12542
76 13505
77 14546
78 15620
79 16772
80 17958
81 19230
82 20532
83 21923
84 23348
85 24861
86 26408
87 28049
88 29718
89 31483
90 33279
91 35168
92 37085
93 39100
94 41135
95 43268
96 45422
97 47668
98 49930
99 52287
100 54649
101 57104
102 59562
103 62104
104 64641
105 67263
106 69866
107 72548
108 75207
109 77933
110 80626
........

please forgive me if I didn't understand this correctly

 

[Babarlish]

Mirage,

(please don't laugh at my English - it is not my mother tongue)
I may not understand second part of your problem / task properly but if what you are looking for is: 'All possible combinations from 6/49 that have sum equal to the one you would like to select' - then expect this:

(results for 6/49 only, bonus not included)
(first column: your sum, second column: number of all combinations with such a sum)
21 1
22 1
23 2
24 3
etc... etc...

Hello Arcwelder,

What you posted is the sum of the combinations like
1-2-3-4-5-6 = 21 = 1
1-2-3-4-5-7 = 22 = 1
1-2-3-4-5-8 = 23 = 2

What Mirage wants is the sum of the skips.
Skip is how many draws a number did not come out.
If I understood what Mirage wants. Wouldn't be the 1st time I miscommunicate with earthlings. OK! I'm outta here. Beam me up Scotty!

Bab

 

[mirage]

Hello Arcwelder,

What you posted is the sum of the combinations like
1-2-3-4-5-6 = 21 = 1
1-2-3-4-5-7 = 22 = 1
1-2-3-4-5-8 = 23 = 2

What Mirage wants is the sum of the skips.
Skip is how many draws a number did not come out.
If I understood what Mirage wants. Wouldn't be the 1st time I miscommunicate with earthlings. OK! I'm outta here. Beam me up Scotty!

Bab

Arcwelder,
Babarlish has understood me correctly.

 

[mirage]

Originally quoted by Snides

The idea I had for the program would use the entire history though.. My thoughts would be that you could look up any draw and see the previous sum of skips and prepare a wheel based upon the sum of skip value you would have selected, or try a few different ones, and see how it would have performed for the next draw. That way you can determine if it would actually work the way you hoped it to, or if it is just too much of a hassle to pick a proper sum of skips.. I guess I will start coding it up monday, as time permits, and would likely have something finished by the end of the week. As for distributing, I've placed items on my website and allowed people to view/download from there and LT hasn't complained, so that's how I would distribute.. if for some reason that is not an approved method, I'd imagine LT could add it to the "free lotto goodies" section on here..

Hello Snides,
I guess I have found some time to put down a few thoughts afterall. Sounds like you are pretty busy for one who is on vacation.

With all the Can 6/49 draws since start of draw you may see a normal distribution curve with a most drawn sum. However, I would expect this sum would strongly correlate with greatest number of possible combinations. This would be in line with theoretical expectations. However, if you experiment, you may find some interesting and unexpected results.

Also noted, in your likening of sampling of draws (awhile ago) from draw to draw looking like worn out saw blade is true. The pendulum swings from high to low and back again, wave like.

Could be trying to pick a proper sum of skips based on past performance or popularity is too much hassle and difficult to determine. But, at very least it is another filter that could be added into strategy armamentarium. I have looked myself and found a few favourites - not exactly proper - but preferred - skip sums.

The wheel idea is interesting - one way to approach the problem. If you find a preferred skip sum, then use a random wheel as a way to pre-filter combos which equal the sum. This is one way to reduce combination numbers. Then apply other filters.

My personal strategy would be to aim for a skip sum away from the crowds of numbers, produce list, then filter. Then filter again.

You said you already have database for Can 6/49. I could update a database for Ont 6/49 and post on board, if you want. As for Lottario I have limited info on paper only, only 2 years worth of draws aprox. and would have to type in from scratch.

I hope this has been useful and not too verbose! Apologies if it is.
Your thoughts after taking further look would be appreciated. Also, would direction to thread or other place where your web site is posted. Good Luck!!!

 

[Snides]

I have a database of on/49 numbers from it's beginning too.. I could allow the program to do both..

perhaps there will be patterns in the sum of skip, like maybe if the last sum of skips was 50, then it will not repeat, so you could filter out all combinations that equal 50, or maybe the last 10 or 20 sum of skips are all different and you could filter out all of those.. I'll hafta run a program to check that data to see if it's a possibility..

Yes, I guess I am kinda busy for being on holidays, but I have a few things to do too.. Tomorrow I'm playing paintball all day, thus i'll be rather tired in the evening, and there's a few things to do around the house, plus my lawn mower just died tonight, so I'll hafta try to fix it on monday.. but I should be able to get started on something by monday night..

I'll keep you up to date once i get started on it.. and i'll just post links to the file when I have it ready to try out..

 

[mirage]

I have a database of on/49 numbers from it's beginning too.. I could allow the program to do both..

perhaps there will be patterns in the sum of skip, like maybe if the last sum of skips was 50, then it will not repeat, so you could filter out all combinations that equal 50, or maybe the last 10 or 20 sum of skips are all different and you could filter out all of those.. I'll hafta run a program to check that data to see if it's a possibility..

I'll keep you up to date once i get started on it.. and i'll just post links to the file when I have it ready to try out..

Great stuff!
One last suggestion but maybe it's obvious - don't use bonus number if possible.

 

[Snides]

I guess I got bored while feeding my brain some vintage crown royal.. I started the program already.. here's a sampling.. and oops, I included the bonus... no worries, that's easy to fix..

2108 04/03/04 01 01 13 04 11 01 06 = 37
2109 04/07/04 10 16 02 10 02 01 06 = 47
2110 04/10/04 01 06 04 04 02 15 08 = 40
2111 04/14/04 07 11 18 04 05 05 09 = 59
2112 04/17/04 35 08 03 02 07 37 21 = 113
2113 04/21/04 02 01 02 03 03 03 02 = 16
2114 04/24/04 18 31 09 06 11 06 06 = 87
2115 04/28/04 16 06 02 02 05 02 01 = 34
2116 05/01/04 04 12 03 11 07 12 05 = 54
2117 05/05/04 12 05 02 05 24 06 03 = 57
2118 05/08/04 01 12 02 03 05 18 04 = 45
2119 05/12/04 10 10 03 07 10 04 07 = 51
2120 05/15/04 04 02 05 07 01 16 02 = 37
2121 05/19/04 04 04 01 02 11 20 09 = 51
2122 05/22/04 03 01 09 08 02 01 05 = 29
2123 05/26/04 07 22 26 05 01 02 06 = 69
2124 05/29/04 03 05 04 07 08 01 08 = 36
2125 06/02/04 03 07 03 05 04 07 05 = 34
2126 06/05/04 04 03 18 01 01 07 04 = 38
2127 06/09/04 02 09 03 13 07 44 21 = 99
sum skip 7 1
sum skip 12 1
sum skip 13 2
sum skip 14 1
sum skip 15 1
sum skip 16 6
sum skip 17 2
sum skip 18 1
sum skip 19 14
sum skip 20 10
sum skip 21 10
sum skip 22 16
sum skip 23 13
sum skip 24 17
sum skip 25 12
sum skip 26 15
sum skip 27 28
sum skip 28 30
sum skip 29 35
sum skip 30 30
sum skip 31 43
sum skip 32 38
sum skip 33 49
sum skip 34 52
sum skip 35 45
sum skip 36 42
sum skip 37 42
sum skip 38 52
sum skip 39 44
sum skip 40 56
sum skip 41 45
sum skip 42 57
sum skip 43 55
sum skip 44 49
sum skip 45 71
sum skip 46 50
sum skip 47 58
sum skip 48 52
sum skip 49 51
sum skip 50 55
sum skip 51 51
sum skip 52 51
sum skip 53 46
sum skip 54 40
sum skip 55 37
sum skip 56 43
sum skip 57 39
sum skip 58 41
sum skip 59 43
sum skip 60 32
sum skip 61 37
sum skip 62 22
sum skip 63 24
sum skip 64 38
sum skip 65 29
sum skip 66 20
sum skip 67 22
sum skip 68 13
sum skip 69 19
sum skip 70 16
sum skip 71 15
sum skip 72 14
sum skip 73 15
sum skip 74 7
sum skip 75 17
sum skip 76 7
sum skip 77 9
sum skip 78 9
sum skip 79 7
sum skip 80 11
sum skip 81 6
sum skip 82 9
sum skip 83 7
sum skip 84 5
sum skip 85 9
sum skip 86 3
sum skip 87 3
sum skip 88 8
sum skip 89 3
sum skip 90 4
sum skip 91 2
sum skip 92 2
sum skip 93 6
sum skip 94 6
sum skip 95 1
sum skip 96 3
sum skip 97 4
sum skip 98 5
sum skip 99 3
sum skip 100 1
sum skip 102 1
sum skip 104 1
sum skip 105 3
sum skip 106 2
sum skip 113 1
sum skip 114 1
sum skip 120 1
sum skip 124 1
sum skip 132 1

 

[Snides]

here it is with no bonus..

2108 04/03/04 01 01 13 04 11 01 = 31
2109 04/07/04 10 16 02 10 02 01 = 41
2110 04/10/04 01 06 04 04 02 15 = 32
2111 04/14/04 07 11 18 04 05 05 = 50
2112 04/17/04 35 08 03 02 07 37 = 92
2113 04/21/04 02 01 02 03 03 03 = 14
2114 04/24/04 18 31 09 06 11 06 = 81
2115 04/28/04 16 06 02 02 05 02 = 33
2116 05/01/04 04 12 03 11 07 12 = 49
2117 05/05/04 12 05 02 05 24 06 = 54
2118 05/08/04 01 12 02 03 05 18 = 41
2119 05/12/04 10 10 03 07 10 04 = 44
2120 05/15/04 04 02 05 07 01 16 = 35
2121 05/19/04 04 04 01 02 11 20 = 42
2122 05/22/04 03 01 09 08 02 01 = 24
2123 05/26/04 07 22 26 05 01 02 = 63
2124 05/29/04 03 05 04 07 08 01 = 28
2125 06/02/04 03 07 03 05 04 07 = 29
2126 06/05/04 04 03 18 01 01 07 = 34
2127 06/09/04 02 09 03 13 07 44 = 78
sum skip 6 1
sum skip 9 1
sum skip 10 1
sum skip 11 2
sum skip 12 1
sum skip 13 4
sum skip 14 8
sum skip 15 3
sum skip 16 14
sum skip 17 14
sum skip 18 27
sum skip 19 16
sum skip 20 27
sum skip 21 28
sum skip 22 26
sum skip 23 31
sum skip 24 29
sum skip 25 40
sum skip 26 43
sum skip 27 47
sum skip 28 49
sum skip 29 48
sum skip 30 67
sum skip 31 59
sum skip 32 59
sum skip 33 52
sum skip 34 58
sum skip 35 53
sum skip 36 61
sum skip 37 53
sum skip 38 60
sum skip 39 65
sum skip 40 49
sum skip 41 68
sum skip 42 63
sum skip 43 66
sum skip 44 40
sum skip 45 37
sum skip 46 54
sum skip 47 47
sum skip 48 36
sum skip 49 39
sum skip 50 33
sum skip 51 37
sum skip 52 41
sum skip 53 39
sum skip 54 31
sum skip 55 32
sum skip 56 34
sum skip 57 24
sum skip 58 28
sum skip 59 18
sum skip 60 25
sum skip 61 21
sum skip 62 17
sum skip 63 22
sum skip 64 17
sum skip 65 13
sum skip 66 9
sum skip 67 7
sum skip 68 7
sum skip 69 7
sum skip 70 6
sum skip 71 17
sum skip 72 7
sum skip 73 11
sum skip 74 8
sum skip 75 5
sum skip 76 7
sum skip 77 2
sum skip 78 7
sum skip 79 9
sum skip 80 2
sum skip 81 3
sum skip 82 2
sum skip 83 3
sum skip 84 2
sum skip 85 1
sum skip 86 3
sum skip 87 3
sum skip 88 3
sum skip 90 1
sum skip 91 2
sum skip 92 4
sum skip 93 1
sum skip 97 2
sum skip 100 1
sum skip 104 2
sum skip 105 1
sum skip 106 1
sum skip 113 1
sum skip 119 1
sum skip 120 1

 

[Snides]

oh ya.. you can probably ignore the first few low sum skip totals, they would be there because of the lack of skip history from the first few draws till all the numbers actually came up..

 

[mirage]

Good Evening, I mean Good Morning Snides,

Well, it's a good thing you're into the Vintage Crown Royal!

I'll take a better look at these numbers... much later in the morning when I'm more able to focus....

 

[Snides]

sounds good.. I've moved on to bigger and better things right now.. trying to hack into a very secure server to mooch some files right now

 

[hot4]

oh ya.. you can probably ignore the first few low sum skip totals, they would be there because of the lack of skip history from the first few draws till all the numbers actually came up..

May I suggest you Snides this, although it makes the program slower:

From hypothetical lines 1,2,3,4,5,6 to 44,45,46,47,48,49 calculate sums and at the end group sums from 10 to 10 and show us which are the more frequent sums.

Ex:

Skip sums 20-30 5%
Skip sums 31-40 4%
.....
Skip sums 140-150 10%