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[barge]

Lotwon

Hi Springbok,

I am interested in your comments concerning Lotwon632. I have been experimenting with it without to musc success. I have had more promising results using Util632, but I haven't tried Bayes? Can you give me any suggestions re Lotwon632? I'm a Scot, so I will only go 50-50 if we win(!)

Barge

 

[Springbok]

hello Barge

At the moment the problem with Lotwon is that Saliu has closed his site to comments from Lotwon users so there is no interchange of information between users which could be of considerable benefit to all. It seems that most serious players belong to the Church of the Wheel which will not bring them lottery salvation. I will give further comments this evening as I have to go(unfortunately) to work. I have a better deal. You give me 50% and I take 50%. How does that sound?

 

[barge]

Sounds magical to me...................!
I have been travelling a lot over the past couple of years, so haven't had the time or the opportunty to buy tickets or study the software as much as I would have liked.
I got hooked when I used MDIE to generate a couple of grids using a current data base minus 25 draws. When I checked the grids against the full dbase I had one jackpot and an assortment of lesser hits including three 5 hits. I was convinced I had messed up the dbase, so I did it again. Thanks to the random seed in the program the previous grid was unrepeatable, but I still produced a few 4 and 5 hits. A month or so later I produced a winning grid again using the same method. Unfortunately there are no clues as to which grid might win!
This method uses mainly pairs, but I believe it can work again. The problem is the cost 49 tickets twice a week is expensive....tickets here cost one pound each. So I have been cherry picking the current grid to buy up to ten tickets a week, using probable shows. Nothing big won yet, but I haven't missed a winning combo either. I use a dbase minus ten combinations to generate the grid, as advised by Ion. The current grid I am using produced one 5 hit, 3 4hits, and 26 3 hits during the test of the full dbase before I started using it 3 draws ago. Since then it has produced another 4 3 hits. I got 2 of them. I'm not into serious stats, but this grids results are significant when you consider the 6/49 odds.
Interestingly, if I had bought tickets from the date I started the grid test for ten draws, my cost would have been £490, but the return would have been £1430! (the 5 draw win paid low that week:£1000. Usually it is nearer 2K.
The problem is, as most users of this BB probably know, you need to spend a lot of money to be in with a real chance, which requires a lot of faith in the method you are using, not forgetting the ready cash to do it
This is of course, nonsense, as lottery numbers are drawn randomly aren't they?


Barge

 

[Springbok]

Of course lottery numbers are random, that's why you have a lottery. But with any chaotic system the parameters pulsate and trends appear as we Lotwon users know. I have not paid much attention to the "wonder grids". If you find 49 combinations costly then why don't you use Lotwon filters. Or do the Irish lottery with Ladbrokes where you can bet 10p per line. I think Vernons do the Florida lottery also with fractional betting. They might make good test beds for your grids. Can you explain exactly how you construct the grids. You say you delete 25 lines. Is this from the top or bottom of the draws? How many past draws do you use to actually create the grid?. How long do you use the same grid before you update it. With the results you got did you check backwards or forward in the data files? Tell me and I will run some tests. Saliu seems to fancy the grids.

 

[barge]

The dbase used is similar to the one you use for Lotwon, over 10k combinations set up as decribed by Ion. The 25 draws (or whatever) are as you would expect, taken off the top of the dbase. After the grid is produced using this dbase, it is checked against the full dbase,using a check program. The recent results I mentioned were produced using the dbase minus the top ten draws.
The grid was produced using Util632. Check the instructions. MDIELotwon will, using the same dbase, produce an identical grid to the basic one produced by util632, as it uses the same dbase, but the latter prog allows various grids to be generated.....take a look.
As regards cost of tickets, we would all like to buy more than we do!
I would put the check win table on here but I can't get it to fit. It can be in Notepad, Word or Excel, so if someone can tell me how to do it, I will.

Barge

 

[barge]

Just to keep you up to date, the grid had 6
3 hits on saturday, I got 2 again.

Ladbrokes "Irish" lottery is a fixed odds arrangement.

Barge

 

[Springbok]

With Ladbrokes the minimum per line is 10p. So with a 42 combination grid it will cost £4.20. But you have to get 5 numbers right. I will check your system.
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[barge]

I forgot to mention that I spent a long time working on lotwon and MDIE without a lot of success, although I felt I was on the right track occasionally. I think I needed to know a bit more about what some of the filters did, as I was unsure about some of the settings. Can't say I din't enjoy trying, it was just very time consuming.

Barge

 

[barge]

I checked out Ladbrokes bets, you are right, all your numbers have to match, chosing 5 and getting 4 or 3 correct doesn't pay...............thats why its only 10p a dance!
I made up a grid for the irish lotto at the weekend, and got 4 3 hits tonight. I didn't bet on it, it is more expensive than the UK lotto. Maybe another time if the grid proves more promising.

Barge

 

[barge]

The grid had 4 3hits in the UK draw last night. I got one...........ah well!


Barge

 

[Springbok]

that's above random results. Will check myself when I get some time, probably over the weekend. Have you tried to filter your grid with Lotwon632 filters to reduce it?

 

[barge]

Yeah, stiatistically it is consistently good. I'm not sure how to filter down the grid, and any suggestions will be appreciated.

Barge

 

[barge]

Just one 3hit in the grid yesterday...............I didn't choose it, so nothing new there then!!

Barge

 

[Springbok]

Supposing you had one ot two combinations that contained 3 numbers, how can you identify them? Using Lotwon filters can bring it down to a few combinations but it is a matter of luck. There are 20 3 number subsets in a 6 number combinations. If you use all 4 layers of the 3 filter, how do you know if they can recognise the 3 numbers combination in your grid? Lotwon is extremely effective if you have all 6 of the winning numbers to "bite" on but not so effective on the lesser groupings. After all it was designed to track down the 6 number combinations not lesser amounts.

 

[barge]

I agree that you can't "forecast" which groups will come up.

There were no wins last Wednesday on the current grid, but last night............one 3 hit, and one 5 hit! I had chosen ten lines based on Wednesdays results, and they were the wrong lines.

Wednesdays result= 3 11 17 19 20 41
Saturday= 6 8 13 15 21 40

Grid 5 hit line = 6 8 9 15 21 40
My picks were based on repeats or + or - one of the other numbers.

It is results like this which persuade me to keep trying. I'm a member of a small syndicate who prefer the Thunderball, but the grids for 5 numbers don't seem to find the winning lines that the six grids do, so I will try to persuade em to switch to the big one!

I hope your having better luck!

Barge

 

[bloubul]

Hi Springbok

Waar is jy pal. Ek sien van tyd tot tyd dat jy aan log, maar niks praat nie.

Jy het 'n ruk terug gesê dat jy met MediEditor werk. Wat is jou resultate?

Praat met my


BlouBul

 

[Mytoys]

Hi Bloubul

Some time back you asked if there are more South Africans in this forum. I was not here then, but I am around now. Hope to make some contact if you wanna know if South Africans are as social as you!


cheers!

 

[bloubul]

Hi Mytoys

Welcome, hope to here more from you in the future, as far as I know we are not many on this board, let alone sharing ideas.
So talk to me. I stay in Cape Town, and you???


BlouBul

 

[bloubul]

Hi Dylan

I see you are back, talk to me boet. I also saw that Springbok frequent as well, but non of you are posting. Why????.

My offer to you still stands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have managed to bring the numbers down to 23 but the wheeling of it remains a problem.

BlouBul

 

[Springbok]

Howzit Bloubul

Why wheel 23 numbers? There are 6 positions(columns) in a lottery game. You could put about 4 numbers in each position and then create a full wheel. Use Salius Util632 to do that in the Make/Break section. Then use Lotwon filtering to reduce. Now if you were really smart you could take the 4 combinations which represent your 24 numbers and put them on top of a D6 file and set the filters using only those 4 combinations. The results would surprise you.