Some nice wheels....
- Thread starter thornc
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Suggestion for a wheels site ...
You might like to look at "Peter's Wheels Page":
http://www.algonet.se/~peteros/wmain.htm
Click on one of the 'pick' numbers at the top of the page. You'll find wheels for Pick-3 through Pick-9 games.
The site is maintained by Peter Rosendahl, in Sweden. It's a fine resource for wheeling systems. It has many wheels that are the current 'world record' in terms of reduced size. All of them are in plain text format, and can be downloaded.
Peter is always on the lookout for better wheels, so if you make one, you might want to get it posted there.
Hope it helps,
Joe
You might like to look at "Peter's Wheels Page":
http://www.algonet.se/~peteros/wmain.htm
Click on one of the 'pick' numbers at the top of the page. You'll find wheels for Pick-3 through Pick-9 games.
The site is maintained by Peter Rosendahl, in Sweden. It's a fine resource for wheeling systems. It has many wheels that are the current 'world record' in terms of reduced size. All of them are in plain text format, and can be downloaded.
Peter is always on the lookout for better wheels, so if you make one, you might want to get it posted there.
Hope it helps,
Joe
Some Nice Wheels
I agree with CDEX, Peter's site is normally one of my first ports of call if I feel like doing something a bit more ambitious. As CDEX said, he has a wide range of wheels for Pick-3 through to Pick-9 games. I have had some luck with them, albeit small wins, but you never know, perhaps one day it will throw in the big one.
Good Luck
PAB
I agree with CDEX, Peter's site is normally one of my first ports of call if I feel like doing something a bit more ambitious. As CDEX said, he has a wide range of wheels for Pick-3 through to Pick-9 games. I have had some luck with them, albeit small wins, but you never know, perhaps one day it will throw in the big one.
Good Luck
PAB
BRAZILLOTTO
Member
Hi Rob,
I `m very Interested in the 6 Number Lotto Wheels made by Ivan Dimitrov, I would like to know if there is a chance for you to post some wheels from Dimitrov here, I also had tryied hard to buy his book from Gail Howard`s Smartbook , but they never reply my insistents messages, so I would like know if there is possible you send me some wheels for 20, 30, 40 and 60 numbers.
Your help will be very appreciated
Thanks .
All the Best.
BRAZILLOTTO
I `m very Interested in the 6 Number Lotto Wheels made by Ivan Dimitrov, I would like to know if there is a chance for you to post some wheels from Dimitrov here, I also had tryied hard to buy his book from Gail Howard`s Smartbook , but they never reply my insistents messages, so I would like know if there is possible you send me some wheels for 20, 30, 40 and 60 numbers.
Your help will be very appreciated
Thanks .
All the Best.
BRAZILLOTTO
Wheels -- BrazilLotto Reply
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In your message:
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I'm very Interested in the 6 Number Lotto Wheels made by Ivan Dimitrov, I would like to know if there is a chance for you to post some wheels from Dimitrov here,
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Dimitrov's wheels are the "classic" wheels, going back into history, but there have been many (very many) advancements since then.
Wheels improve by getting more even coverage of the combinations while reducing the playing cost.
In other words, you don't pay extra costs for duplicated ("redundant") coverage of a small set of numbers. Instead, you can put your playing budget into covering more numbers for the same win guarantee.
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Two suggestions:
... Try Peter's Wheels Page, Rade Belic's page, or the La Jolla Coverings Repository for the latest "world-class" wheel designs.
... If you like, you can visit "ldir.com" for a set of over 800 wheeling systems. You can use them free. Also, the three wheeling sites above are on the "Recommended Links" page there. When you ask questions, you'll get prompt, courteous and complete responses to your messages.
CDEX
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In your message:
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I'm very Interested in the 6 Number Lotto Wheels made by Ivan Dimitrov, I would like to know if there is a chance for you to post some wheels from Dimitrov here,
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Dimitrov's wheels are the "classic" wheels, going back into history, but there have been many (very many) advancements since then.
Wheels improve by getting more even coverage of the combinations while reducing the playing cost.
In other words, you don't pay extra costs for duplicated ("redundant") coverage of a small set of numbers. Instead, you can put your playing budget into covering more numbers for the same win guarantee.
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Two suggestions:
... Try Peter's Wheels Page, Rade Belic's page, or the La Jolla Coverings Repository for the latest "world-class" wheel designs.
... If you like, you can visit "ldir.com" for a set of over 800 wheeling systems. You can use them free. Also, the three wheeling sites above are on the "Recommended Links" page there. When you ask questions, you'll get prompt, courteous and complete responses to your messages.
CDEX
BRAZILLOTTO
Member
Wheels For 20,30, And 40 Numbers
Hi CDEX,
Thanks for reply my comments, I took a look in Peter's Wheels Page, Rade Belic's page, and the La Jolla Coverings Repository, I knew Belic`s site before there are a lot of good staff in there, so as a paint master try to get inspiration to paint his masterpiece, we all here are trying find the best wheel that one who will fit in our budget and it lead us to the fortune. and we have some masters here like yourself, Nick Koutras, Rade Belic, Uenal Mutlu and many others.
I already tested some of the wheels I found here, some are very intriguing and others doesn`t fit in my budget, so I would like to ask your help again do you have any wheel for 20, 30 and 40 numbers 4if5, 4if6 or 5if6? I think that would be enough to work with some numbers at a high probability to hit some prizes.
Once again thanks for your attention.
All the best
BRAZILLOTTO
Hi CDEX,
Thanks for reply my comments, I took a look in Peter's Wheels Page, Rade Belic's page, and the La Jolla Coverings Repository, I knew Belic`s site before there are a lot of good staff in there, so as a paint master try to get inspiration to paint his masterpiece, we all here are trying find the best wheel that one who will fit in our budget and it lead us to the fortune. and we have some masters here like yourself, Nick Koutras, Rade Belic, Uenal Mutlu and many others.
I already tested some of the wheels I found here, some are very intriguing and others doesn`t fit in my budget, so I would like to ask your help again do you have any wheel for 20, 30 and 40 numbers 4if5, 4if6 or 5if6? I think that would be enough to work with some numbers at a high probability to hit some prizes.
Once again thanks for your attention.
All the best
BRAZILLOTTO
More Wheels
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Humble opinion here ...
You won't find any better wheels than the ones you already saw at the sites you listed in your message. They are really today's "world-class" wheels, made by those expert and very respected wheel designers.
If Abbreviated wheels don't fit your playing budget, you could consider two options: Filtering, and Zone Wheels.
Either of those methods will reduce your playing cost. Any time you do that, however, you do also reduce your chances for winning the wheel's prize, by the same amount. (You can't get something for nothing.)
For example, if you need to play 40 numbers but the Abbreviated wheel is too large and expensive for your budget, your choices would be:
... Play a smaller wheel, like a 30-number wheel. You'll have to get rid of 10 numbers.
... Play a 40-number wheel with a lower guarantee.
... Play the same 40-number Abbreviated wheel, but filter it to eliminate combinations you don't want to play. Keep just the combinations you do want (and only pay for those ones).
... Play your 40 numbers, but don't use an Abbreviated wheel. Put your 40 numbers into a 'Zone' wheel with 2, 3, or 4 zones of numbers.
...... For example, you could have 2 zones, with 20 numbers in each zone.
...... If 3 numbers hit from inside each of the 2 zones, you have a Jackpot prize. (If 4 numbers hit in one zone, and 2 numbers in the other zone, then you will have multiple 4-number prizes, and some 2-number 'hits' -- probably no prize from them.)
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To summarize:
If the wheel costs too much, try one of these:
... Smaller wheel, fewer numbers.
... Same numbers, lower guarantee.
... Same wheel, filter out unwanted combinations (reduces both the cost and prize).
... Zone wheel, where numbers must 'hit' inside each zone.
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Hoping it's food for thought.
CDEX
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Humble opinion here ...
You won't find any better wheels than the ones you already saw at the sites you listed in your message. They are really today's "world-class" wheels, made by those expert and very respected wheel designers.
If Abbreviated wheels don't fit your playing budget, you could consider two options: Filtering, and Zone Wheels.
Either of those methods will reduce your playing cost. Any time you do that, however, you do also reduce your chances for winning the wheel's prize, by the same amount. (You can't get something for nothing.)
For example, if you need to play 40 numbers but the Abbreviated wheel is too large and expensive for your budget, your choices would be:
... Play a smaller wheel, like a 30-number wheel. You'll have to get rid of 10 numbers.
... Play a 40-number wheel with a lower guarantee.
... Play the same 40-number Abbreviated wheel, but filter it to eliminate combinations you don't want to play. Keep just the combinations you do want (and only pay for those ones).
... Play your 40 numbers, but don't use an Abbreviated wheel. Put your 40 numbers into a 'Zone' wheel with 2, 3, or 4 zones of numbers.
...... For example, you could have 2 zones, with 20 numbers in each zone.
...... If 3 numbers hit from inside each of the 2 zones, you have a Jackpot prize. (If 4 numbers hit in one zone, and 2 numbers in the other zone, then you will have multiple 4-number prizes, and some 2-number 'hits' -- probably no prize from them.)
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To summarize:
If the wheel costs too much, try one of these:
... Smaller wheel, fewer numbers.
... Same numbers, lower guarantee.
... Same wheel, filter out unwanted combinations (reduces both the cost and prize).
... Zone wheel, where numbers must 'hit' inside each zone.
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Hoping it's food for thought.
CDEX
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lottoarchitect
Member
thornc said:
You may try my Wheel Generator at the Free mode which can offer a detailed coverage/hits overall analysis. However, you'll not be able to analyse the wheel's performance as a filtered construction (in terms of hits ); this is only available in the Pro version.
cheers
lottoarchitect
Wheel not perfect
I have run a test on the above wheel and the following lines will not have a 4 match which disqualifies the wheel to be 100% 4if6
2 3 4 12 15 17
2 9 12 14 15 16
2 3 5 12 15 18
4 7 8 12 15 17
4 9 12 13 14 16
4 7 8 11 15 16
4 5 7 12 15 17
1 6 10 11 15 17
2 3 6 12 15 16
6 9 10 12 13 16
2 4 7 10 15 17
2 5 10 12 15 18
1 2 5 11 13 16
4 7 12 14 15 17
2 6 12 14 15 16
6 9 12 13 16 18
2 4 10 13 15 17
2 8 10 12 15 18
2 4 7 9 14 17
4 9 11 12 13 16
2 4 6 12 15 16
4 6 9 12 13 16
4 6 7 10 14 17
2 4 10 12 15 17
2 4 6 7 14 17
1 7 10 11 15 17
2 4 6 7 10 17
6 9 10 11 15 17
1 3 7 10 14 17
2 7 10 12 15 17
2 3 7 12 15 17
2 4 7 9 10 17
1 3 8 11 15 18
1 3 7 11 15 16
1 4 5 7 15 17
4 7 10 12 14 17
2 7 12 14 15 17
1 2 7 10 15 17
2 5 6 9 15 16
4 7 10 12 15 17
5 7 11 13 15 16
2 7 11 12 14 17
2 6 8 9 15 16
2 4 6 9 12 16
1 4 6 10 15 17
2 4 7 15 16 17
1 6 8 9 15 17
2 6 10 13 15 16
1 3 6 11 15 17
4 7 9 10 14 17
2 4 6 9 13 16
2 8 11 13 14 18
4 7 11 12 15 16
1 2 4 7 15 17
4 7 10 14 15 17
2 6 10 12 15 16
2 6 9 12 15 16
1 7 9 11 15 17
2 7 9 10 15 17
4 7 10 14 17 18
2 4 5 11 13 16
2 6 7 9 13 16
2 7 9 11 14 17
2 5 12 14 15 18
2 4 7 14 15 17
2 5 8 10 12 18
1 6 11 13 15 17
1 2 6 10 15 17
2 7 9 11 13 16
6 7 10 11 14 17
4 5 7 11 15 16
2 5 10 13 15 18
1 2 5 10 15 18
6 7 8 10 14 17
6 9 12 13 15 16
1 3 9 11 15 17
1 2 6 10 15 16
2 4 12 14 15 17
5 7 12 15 17 18
1 3 9 12 13 16
5 7 9 11 15 16
2 4 12 15 16 17
4 8 9 12 13 16
2 6 9 15 16 17
2 5 8 13 16 18
2 9 10 11 13 16
2 6 9 13 15 16
2 4 6 10 15 17
2 5 8 13 14 18
1 7 10 14 15 17
1 2 6 9 15 17
6 9 11 13 15 17
1 6 10 14 15 17
6 7 10 13 14 17
1 2 4 10 15 17
4 7 11 14 15 16
2 7 10 13 15 17
2 6 10 15 16 17
2 7 9 12 15 16
Any comments?
Thanks
system13 said:I like Dimitrov wheels because he usually uses a three numbers set and lays down these sets like bricks.
Each of these three numbers set will intercept to form a combination so I can play group of triplets
aiming the JP directly whilst the original wheels guarantee remains intact, sort of a "bonus" little wheels within a
large wheel.
F.e. Dimitrov 18,6,4,6 (42)
01 02 03 04 05 06
01 02 03 07 08 09
01 02 03 10 11 12
01 02 03 13 14 15
01 02 03 16 17 18
01 04 07 10 13 16
01 04 08 11 14 17
01 04 09 12 15 18
01 05 07 11 14 18
01 05 08 12 15 16
01 05 09 10 13 17
01 06 07 12 16 17
01 06 08 10 13 18
01 06 09 11 14 16
02 04 07 12 13 18
02 04 08 10 14 16
02 04 09 11 15 18
02 05 07 10 14 16
02 05 08 11 15 17
02 05 09 12 13 17
02 06 07 11 15 18
02 06 08 12 13 17
02 06 09 10 14 18
03 04 07 11 13 17
03 04 08 12 14 18
03 04 09 10 15 16
03 05 07 12 14 16
03 05 08 10 15 17
03 05 09 11 13 18
03 06 07 10 15 18
03 06 08 11 13 16
03 06 09 12 14 17
04 05 06 07 08 09
04 05 06 10 11 12
04 05 06 13 14 15
04 05 06 16 17 18
07 08 09 10 11 12
07 08 09 13 14 15
07 08 09 16 17 18
10 11 12 13 14 15
10 11 12 16 17 18
13 14 15 16 17 18
Set1: 01-02-03
Set2: 04-05-06
Set3: 07-08-09
Set4: 10-11-12
Set5: 13-14-15
Set6: 16-17-18
Guarantees
If match any two 3-numbers set ***** Jackpot!
If match 3-numbers,2-numbers and 1-number ***** 1x5,1x4
If match 3-numbers in one set and 2-numbers in another ***** 1x5
If match 3-numbers in one set and three numbers in any set ***** 3x4
If match 3-numbers in one set and two numbers in any set ***** 2x4
If match 3-numbers in one set and one number in any set ***** 1x4
If match 2-numbers in three of the sets ***** 3x4
If match 2-numbers in two of the sets ***** 1x4
If match 2-numbers in one set and four numbers in any set ***** 4x3
If match 2-numbers in one set and three numbers in any set ***** 3x3
If match 2-numbers in one set and two numbers in any set ***** 2x3
If match 2-numbers in one set and one number in any set ***** 1x3
The above guarantees are only for the Dimitrov "bonus" wheel within the whole wheel which
guarantees remain intact i.e
100% 4if6
100% 3if6
100% 3if5
100% 3if4
78% 4if5
94% 3if3
Cheers
P.S. Just for the record...Ivan Dimitrov is not a Hungarian,
he's a Bulgarian and that's a fact.
I have run a test on the above wheel and the following lines will not have a 4 match which disqualifies the wheel to be 100% 4if6
2 3 4 12 15 17
2 9 12 14 15 16
2 3 5 12 15 18
4 7 8 12 15 17
4 9 12 13 14 16
4 7 8 11 15 16
4 5 7 12 15 17
1 6 10 11 15 17
2 3 6 12 15 16
6 9 10 12 13 16
2 4 7 10 15 17
2 5 10 12 15 18
1 2 5 11 13 16
4 7 12 14 15 17
2 6 12 14 15 16
6 9 12 13 16 18
2 4 10 13 15 17
2 8 10 12 15 18
2 4 7 9 14 17
4 9 11 12 13 16
2 4 6 12 15 16
4 6 9 12 13 16
4 6 7 10 14 17
2 4 10 12 15 17
2 4 6 7 14 17
1 7 10 11 15 17
2 4 6 7 10 17
6 9 10 11 15 17
1 3 7 10 14 17
2 7 10 12 15 17
2 3 7 12 15 17
2 4 7 9 10 17
1 3 8 11 15 18
1 3 7 11 15 16
1 4 5 7 15 17
4 7 10 12 14 17
2 7 12 14 15 17
1 2 7 10 15 17
2 5 6 9 15 16
4 7 10 12 15 17
5 7 11 13 15 16
2 7 11 12 14 17
2 6 8 9 15 16
2 4 6 9 12 16
1 4 6 10 15 17
2 4 7 15 16 17
1 6 8 9 15 17
2 6 10 13 15 16
1 3 6 11 15 17
4 7 9 10 14 17
2 4 6 9 13 16
2 8 11 13 14 18
4 7 11 12 15 16
1 2 4 7 15 17
4 7 10 14 15 17
2 6 10 12 15 16
2 6 9 12 15 16
1 7 9 11 15 17
2 7 9 10 15 17
4 7 10 14 17 18
2 4 5 11 13 16
2 6 7 9 13 16
2 7 9 11 14 17
2 5 12 14 15 18
2 4 7 14 15 17
2 5 8 10 12 18
1 6 11 13 15 17
1 2 6 10 15 17
2 7 9 11 13 16
6 7 10 11 14 17
4 5 7 11 15 16
2 5 10 13 15 18
1 2 5 10 15 18
6 7 8 10 14 17
6 9 12 13 15 16
1 3 9 11 15 17
1 2 6 10 15 16
2 4 12 14 15 17
5 7 12 15 17 18
1 3 9 12 13 16
5 7 9 11 15 16
2 4 12 15 16 17
4 8 9 12 13 16
2 6 9 15 16 17
2 5 8 13 16 18
2 9 10 11 13 16
2 6 9 13 15 16
2 4 6 10 15 17
2 5 8 13 14 18
1 7 10 14 15 17
1 2 6 9 15 17
6 9 11 13 15 17
1 6 10 14 15 17
6 7 10 13 14 17
1 2 4 10 15 17
4 7 11 14 15 16
2 7 10 13 15 17
2 6 10 15 16 17
2 7 9 12 15 16
Any comments?
Thanks
lottoarchitect
Member
Kenya649 said:
Indeed, this is not 100% 4if6. Also it has inconsistencies for the 4if5 %. The analysis of the wheel is as follows:
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t m Tested Covered Covered% Uncovered Uncovered%
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2 2 153 153 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
2 3 816 816 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
3 3 816 726 88,97059% 90 11,02941%
2 4 3060 3060 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
3 4 3060 3060 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
4 4 3060 622 20,32680% 2438 79,67320%
2 5 8568 8568 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
3 5 8568 8568 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
4 5 8568 6372 74,36975% 2196 25,63025%
5 5 8568 252 2,94118% 8316 97,05882%
2 6 18564 18564 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
3 6 18564 18564 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
4 6 18564 18465 99,46671% 99 0,53329%
5 6 18564 3034 16,34346% 15530 83,65654%
2 7 31824 31824 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
3 7 31824 31824 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
4 7 31824 31824 100,00000% 0 0,00000%
5 7 31824 15526 48,78708% 16298 51,21292%
6 7 31824 504 1,58371% 31320 98,41629%
cheers
lottoarchitect