Sangoma-number divination

[blitzed]

Hiya Patrick,

precisely probability & patterns.

I'll let my pick3 probability boildowns from yesterday illustrate with their straight winning draws:

562.38
154.7
734.9

254.193
289.4760
604.23

pretty delta fighter formations

I notice certain patterns and distributions through my playfields...there are certain "pick recipes" which seem due to hit, whether deltas, diagonals, columns...2 digts from the left 3x3 icebox matrix, and 1 digit on the right, or viceversa, and of course misses & how they missed.

perhaps in the future such a probability playfield matrix could be cobbled
into your program and be of similar value. likewise, it'd already be pre-sorted, most probable numbers towards left of the field...then filters could simply highlight or fade numbers accordingly, while maintaining the simple birdseye view. it'd be an additional way to shake out the data, rather than relying exclusively upon spreadsheet style filters & sorts.

cheers!
blitzed

 

[Patrick123]

Hi blitzed,
It's guys like you & Springbok, that drive other people towards having a passion for numbers albeit chaotic ones

I'll definitely start working on it, and any other suggestions that you, Springbok, and anyone else may offer, that may send us towards that elusive JP.

Regards
Patrick

 

[blitzed]

hey hey Patrick,

yup, I've got plenty on my to-do list as well

anyway, a playfield probability matrix for one of the big lottery games certainly won't look as elegant as that pick3 example.

however, certain distro patterns would still emerge.

at a glance it'd still be easy to free-style picks, with little thought numbers could be selected across the varying degrees of probability.

cheers!
blitzed

 

[blitzed]

Hi Patrick
I am looking at the thread of full spectrum picks.

hiya Springbok, interesting suggestion about trackin triples in Full Spectrum sets.

I whipped that routine together simply so people would have a quick no brainer solution for playing the entire field...minimal picks with no game analysis so the worst performance would be 1 number matched in each pick ha!
http://crazynuts.hollosite.com/649_lottery_picks/

However, the Full spectrum Matrix is different, it is comprised of a 9x5 matrix. Sometimes even all 6 draw numbers fall into a line o nine. People are tryin analysis on 'em...each line has 3 triples:
http://crazynuts.hollosite.com/649_lottery_matrix/

cheers!
blitzed

 

[Springbok]

Hi Blitzed

I am running some experiments with 6 by 6 grids. Each line is split into two triples- giving us 12 triples. Six of those triples will contain the winning numbers. Of course one triple could contain two winning numbers. One line is normally redundant as it contains no winning numbers. If you cannot find any suitable indications then the lines are shuffled and a new set of triples is produced for analysis. You can do this a number of times until you can spot a trend. You are also looking for triples that have no hope of hitting in the next draw.

I have noticed a line will not have more than 2 winning numbers. So if you are producing combinations for the next draw and if you find that they contain 3 numbers from any one line of your grid then that is a no hoper.

Another avenue of exploration is to produce a number of grids. Then you check your estimated combinations to see that they do not contain more than two numbers from each line in the grids.

 

[Springbok]

frogs

Hi Patrick
We could use another filter for number pairs, trips. I call them frogs as in hop, hop, leap. A frog would be recognizable by having a current skip of on or below the median. Also the previous 3,4,5 or more skip cycles are below the median, so a rebalancing is expected to occur and the frog should leap over the median-ie will not hit in the next draw or so. So an opening batsmen showing these characteristics will hop for two draws and leap over the median in the third draw as in not hitting in those three draws. An inbetweener will hop and leap and a skipsitter will simply leap.

 

[blitzed]

frogs & batsmen, that sounds brutal!

cheers!
blitzed

 

[barge]

A few interesting results (looking at various options), using alpha2 (number pairs) as a filter, and the (below) Any5 median.
Using skipsitters and pair1 also got good results using Any5.
The above trial obviously reduces the pool of numbers available, but increases the chance of hitting a few, more than 50% of the time. Checking Below Median
added the odd hit as you would expect at these low skip levels.

 

[Springbok]

Hi Barge

When you pick a pair, it is advisable to pick the one showing 4 or more previous skip cycles above the median. The more the merrier. I prefer 5 or 6 if I can find them. Also offset your analysis. For example with pairs, you can start 2 draws back and compile a list of suitable ones. You often find the ones that survive the next two draws hit in the third(that is the very next draw). With trips go back one draw. Make your own pairing files. Again the more the merrier. I have 16 running so far. This gives you a lot of choice in what you are looking for.

At the moment I am working with pairs and trips with the 5 number section of the UK Thunderball lottery. Also trying to develop reliable techniques with the actual Thunderball.

 

[barge]

Hi Springbok,

Thanks for the draw tips, and I am producing more pairs and trip files.
My Any5 test was to see how many hits could be picked up from the previous five draws numbers, based on a 100 number(real) dbase.. 2-3 seems to be about average so far.
Good luck with the Tball.

 

[struxo]

idea

Hi all,
i can contribute with one idea i found on another forum. I hope it counts

Take first 6 even balls (2 4 6 8 10 12), call it group A
Take first 6 odd balls (1 3 5 7 9 11), call it group B
Make note (+ or - ) for each group if numbers from groups draws or not. When you have one or two " - " then play numbers from that group. Sangoma can help to choose which number to play.
I tested on Canada6/49 and Swedish 7/35 lotto.
Sometimes there is numbers from both groups in one draw but many times numbers from one group jump 1 or 2 draws. I can suggest wait for one " - " and then choose numbers from that group.
I hope this can help to isolate one or two numbers.

Patrick,
i think there is bug in program for Keno plays. It's showing 19 numbers instead
20.

 

[Springbok]

Hello Struxo

Thanks for your input. The system you mentioned is used in Saliu's Dos software as in 632 and 532 with the All filter. I think you can use any 6 number combination and record its performance in the previous draws. I must say I never thought of using it outside Saliu's software. It could be used by the Full Spectrum people as many of the 8 combinations contain no winning numbers so an evaluation of their previous performance could show if they will hit or not hit in the next draw. You certainly put a different perspective on it.

 

[Springbok]

I ran a check on the skip sitter on the last 4 draws in the 49s. Using 1000 previous draws 9 pairs were pulled out having the last skip cycles above the median. 5 out of the 9 failed. I took the pairs and ran them in my VB 6 files. The failing pairs all had a max of 4 skip cycles above the median. Many of the winning pairs had at least 5 skip cycles above the median. That is why my alpha, beta etc files are more accurate at the moment. Also be aware the median can vary according to how many previous draws you use.

 

[Patrick123]

Hi All,
At the moment, I'll most probably not be able to do much, as I'm busy with my Clients' financial month-ends, I'll only be able to pop in & say hello, but any program mods & extras will most probably only be able to be done closer to the week-end . Definitely time to win the lotto.

Regards
Patrick

 

[Springbok]

Hi Patrick
No rush whatsoever. I have been studying the probability ratings of 100% on the historic highs. Most of the time they do not deserve that rating. I think the problem is that when they reach these high levels they have no history of what they did in the past if they reached this level. One technique is to go back 2 draws and pick the 100 percenters. Those who survive the next two draws have a better chance in hitting in the very next draw(that is the third draw after the offset). Tests seem to indicate this. This is offsetting by 2 draws to increase accuracy. Did you know that out of the 1176 pairings around eight-tenths of one percent go past skip level 12? In a test I ran only 10 pairings actually passed 12.

Just to remind you we need more skip cycles to be reported in Winnalotto. With me it would save time as my VB stuff is fairly slow as I have to paste the code onto the form of the IDE and then run it. Each file has the same code but the pairs, trips etc are embedded within the code. I suppose I could autorun it if I wrote some code but at the moment I am swotting up Visual Basic Express(a subset of VB 2005). I am sure of one thing Express don't understand VB 6 code.

 

[Springbok]

Hi Barge

Thanks for your wishes on the Thunderball game. Big problem is catching the actual Thunderball. I would hate to hit the 5 number section and miss the Thunderball. It would really upset me. At the moment I am getting smarter with the actual Thunderball. I create a number of 7 number files. I embed them in VB 6 and use MDIED to run an analysis. I pick 3 or 4 of them that show they will hit in the next draw. Any number(s) in common tend to hit in the next draw. This is encouraging. Tackling the Thunderball has always been a pain.

I often think the Thunderball game should be conquored first and then the UK 6/49- the richest lottery in the world(or is it the Euromillions now?). First climb Ben Nevis and then Everest.

 

[barge]

Hi Springbok

I agree in principle with your comments on the Tball, with the exception of managing to pick the correct five numbers! I have always thought that getting the five, and therefore a prize of £5k, would provide a nice stake to attack the big one!
In the meantime apart from experimenting with numbers within the median for the Tball, I am trying to build a stake with the 49s. Mixed success, but improving as I use Sangoma to test the pairs and trips. Any tips are always welcome!
At the moment I have more success with pairs, which probably makes sense, and am using real draws as a dbase. I tried a range of sim files with four real draws on top, but didn't see any significant advantage.........but there are so many options in terms of the size of the files, that there could be a good sim/real mix that works.
We push on!

 

[Springbok]

Hi Barge

The first step is to master the Skipsitter(draadsitter)- on second thoughts it should be called the median sitter although the Afrikaans name(wiresitter) is dead on . This filter can be extremely accurate. In the past we were looking at hits in the next 4 draws but this leads to sloppy thinking. This filter will give you either 2 pairs or a pair and a trip for the next draw. Run tests on previous draws on any lottery. At the moment you are limited to 4 skip cycles but run tests. If it fails to hit next draw then it fails,simple. You will be presented by Winnalotto with quite a few. See what hits and why. On Saturday's draw I got 2 pairs and a trip on the UK6/49 but I was using my homegrown stuff to search for more than 4 previous skip cycles.

If you cannot hit with one pair in the next draw then you will not hit the next 5 pairs or trips, so you got to develop the skills to do this and then expand the envelope slowly. When Winnalotto expands the number of skip cycles, this filter will be even more powerful.

 

[Patrick123]

Hi All,

I managed to squeeze some time in and have done the following:

Added in various variables:

span - as you defined it, the span of the skip cycles for the ball, i.e. the number of skip cycles the ball has in its statistics.
same(X) - the count of the number of same as current skip cycles for the ball.
samehigh(X) - the count of the same as current + higher skip cycles for the ball.
less(X) - the count of the skip cycles lower than current skip cycle.
NumDraws - The number of draws that were loaded/analysed.

gspan
gsame(X)
gsamehigh(X)
gless(X)

The g prefix means the global value for the singles/pairs/trips.

X can be the column value (#5 for the 5th column), a valid value (7 the value seven) or possibly another function.
I'm using a recursive routine here so very likely gspan(skip(#3)) would work, but I have not tested it yet.

skip(X) will work as well. A slight difference though skip(0) will return the current skip cycle value, skip(1) will return the next skip value in the skip cycle and so forth.

If you try and return a value higher than the last skip cycle i.e. skip(35) when there are only 20 skip cycles in history, a value of 255 will be returned.

A division by zero will also result in a value of 255.

I reduce all to lowercase so it should not be CAPS-sensitive.

I hope this makes sense

Take Note:
Where I had defined columns #51 to # 60 to cover skip cycles 6 to 15, this will most likely be deprecated.

Regards
Patrick

 

[Patrick123]

Hi Struxo,

Check that you have both a key and date field. Otherwise check one, of the two of the 'skip' fields on the import screen (it does not matter which, as the date is not important and the system re-generates the key) then try it.

As we are actually analysing balls with the name '1,2,3..' instead of the number value of the ball, this is why the value check( e.g. odd,even, prime, composite), has been excluded. But for completeness, for the people who prefer such analysis, I will include such functions, watch this space for the next week


Regards
Patrick