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Sangoma-number divination
- Thread starter Springbok
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Patrick123
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Hi Springbok, I agree the trend has gone a bit haywire, the best is to spend any bet money on a pint or two for the next two or three days until it settles down, otherwise it will have us starting to doubt Sangoma's capabilities and we end up chasing ghosts. I will have a look at allowing us to have a 'history offset' when we look at the trips.
Regards
Patrick
Regards
Patrick
turtle0747
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Fla536
Hello Patrick
Downloaded your program and the FLA 5/36 file. When I try to import the file into Winnalotto, it's giving me an error. Looks like it is putting the first number in the date area. Help.
Turtle
Hello Patrick
Downloaded your program and the FLA 5/36 file. When I try to import the file into Winnalotto, it's giving me an error. Looks like it is putting the first number in the date area. Help.
Turtle
turtle0747
Member
Fla 5/36
I clicked on 'no key field' and looks like it loaded. Now just have to figure out how to use everything.
Thanks
Turtle0747
I clicked on 'no key field' and looks like it loaded. Now just have to figure out how to use everything.
Thanks
Turtle0747
Patrick123
Member
As long as you got it loaded
Yes, there was no key field included, remember to adjust the number of balls from 49 to 36 and the number of balls to 5 before loading.
If you browse thought this thread, you will get the idea how the program works and what it does. The readme manual with the file was for the old version and is basically now redundant.
Regards
Patrick
Yes, there was no key field included, remember to adjust the number of balls from 49 to 36 and the number of balls to 5 before loading.If you browse thought this thread, you will get the idea how the program works and what it does. The readme manual with the file was for the old version and is basically now redundant.
Regards
Patrick
Chatting with numbers
Ok Patrick, this is what the numbers were saying.
Talking to numbers
Here were the possible pairs for the lunchtime draw with their last few actual skips:-
{5, 34} 18 - 0 - 2 - 0
{5, 41} 19 - 1 - 0 - 0
{15, 41} 15 - 5 - 4- 1
{34, 41} 18 - 0 - 1 - 0
{34, 43} 18 - 0 - 1 - 0
{35, 41} 18 - 1 - 0 - 4
{41, 43} 21 - 4 - 6- 7
Notice the last pair had the highest skip. Most real numbers clock out at the 25th skip so perhaps it was telling us that it is near the goal. Also it had the most turbulent performance based on its last 4 skips. The first point is significant having the highest skip. The second point-who knows.
Sangoma was warning us not to bet although perhaps a more careful analysis would have pointed to the last pairing.
Ok Patrick, this is what the numbers were saying.
Talking to numbers
Here were the possible pairs for the lunchtime draw with their last few actual skips:-
{5, 34} 18 - 0 - 2 - 0
{5, 41} 19 - 1 - 0 - 0
{15, 41} 15 - 5 - 4- 1
{34, 41} 18 - 0 - 1 - 0
{34, 43} 18 - 0 - 1 - 0
{35, 41} 18 - 1 - 0 - 4
{41, 43} 21 - 4 - 6- 7
Notice the last pair had the highest skip. Most real numbers clock out at the 25th skip so perhaps it was telling us that it is near the goal. Also it had the most turbulent performance based on its last 4 skips. The first point is significant having the highest skip. The second point-who knows.
Sangoma was warning us not to bet although perhaps a more careful analysis would have pointed to the last pairing.
OK Patrick, here is a scenario I have had much success with trips in the past, normally hitting within 2 draws.By ignoring the last draw you look for the scenario and if it does not hit in the next draw then go for it. The example below actually hit in the next draw. You look for the current skip being above the median. The last 2 or three or more skips must be above the median. Even better if they are 2 or more above the median. This acts on the assumption that a rebalancing must occur. There is justification in this. A number of weeks ago I ran a test for 7 days over 14 draws. I did not even go back one draw, I took the very latest stats report. For 13 draws the chosen trip hit within 2 draws and it failed once and hit in the third. I was able to pick and choose the trip within those parameters as I had 5 files in operation. A similar thing could be done with pairs.If a pair is on the current skip of 1 and the last 2 or 3+ draws are 3 skips and above the skip of 2 it tends to indicate that the pair will hit within the next 2 draws. Of course this is not as accurate as n = H
* gamma14 * Hits: 79
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* Skips >>>>> 2 2 2 0 3 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 1 7 0 3 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 4 0 0 5 1 2 2 0 1 1 1 0 6 1 8 0 4 0 0 3 2 3 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 2 1 2 4 3 3 5 1 1 4
median 1
* gamma14 * Hits: 79
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* Skips >>>>> 2 2 2 0 3 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 1 7 0 3 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 4 0 0 5 1 2 2 0 1 1 1 0 6 1 8 0 4 0 0 3 2 3 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 2 1 2 4 3 3 5 1 1 4
median 1
Patrick123
Member
Only a pleasure endbox, The program, coupled with Springbok's excellent instructions, can only be a sure winner.
Hi Springbok, yes, one can start seeing certain patterns emerging, the numbers are starting to talk to me... kinda supernatural, I'm even starting to scare myself.
Now it's a matter of trying to make sense what they are saying, very easy after the fact, slowly but surely we'll coax the message out. Allowing us to pool certain numbers only on the prediction screen sure helps a lot in looking for this information.
What I do is sort z->a on the Rebalance column, then a->z on the median due column, it's then easier to make sense of the information.
Regards
Patrick
Hi Springbok, yes, one can start seeing certain patterns emerging, the numbers are starting to talk to me... kinda supernatural, I'm even starting to scare myself
.Now it's a matter of trying to make sense what they are saying, very easy after the fact, slowly but surely we'll coax the message out. Allowing us to pool certain numbers only on the prediction screen sure helps a lot in looking for this information.
What I do is sort z->a on the Rebalance column, then a->z on the median due column, it's then easier to make sense of the information.
Regards
Patrick
Do simulated draws work?
This test was carried out with simulated numbers. Around 1400 simulated drawings were generated per file. 5 simulated files were produced. The last 8 of the real drawings were cut off. The bottom 4 were added to the simulated file. The top 4 were put in a result file to check the performance of the simulated file. Any pair which was marked at 100% was written down and checked against the result file.Here are the results:-
XP1. 5 pairs at 100%. 4 hit in draw 1 with one hitting with both numbers. 1 failed.
XP2. 8 pairs at 100%, 2 hit next draw. 4 hit in draw 2. 1 hit in draw 3. 1 failed in the 4 draws.
XP3. 6 pairs at 100%. 3 hit next draw. 3 with pairs hitting in draw 3 with one hitting with both numbers.
XP4. 14 pairs at 100%. 8 hit next draw. 4 hit second draw. 1 hit in draw 4. 1 failed.
XP5. 5 pairs. 4 hit in draw 1 one with both pairs. 1 hit in draw 4.
Next time round will check by only picking the highest skipping pairs.
Strike rate within 4 draws 92%
Strike rate next draw 55%
Are simulated draws valid ????
This test was carried out with simulated numbers. Around 1400 simulated drawings were generated per file. 5 simulated files were produced. The last 8 of the real drawings were cut off. The bottom 4 were added to the simulated file. The top 4 were put in a result file to check the performance of the simulated file. Any pair which was marked at 100% was written down and checked against the result file.Here are the results:-
XP1. 5 pairs at 100%. 4 hit in draw 1 with one hitting with both numbers. 1 failed.
XP2. 8 pairs at 100%, 2 hit next draw. 4 hit in draw 2. 1 hit in draw 3. 1 failed in the 4 draws.
XP3. 6 pairs at 100%. 3 hit next draw. 3 with pairs hitting in draw 3 with one hitting with both numbers.
XP4. 14 pairs at 100%. 8 hit next draw. 4 hit second draw. 1 hit in draw 4. 1 failed.
XP5. 5 pairs. 4 hit in draw 1 one with both pairs. 1 hit in draw 4.
Next time round will check by only picking the highest skipping pairs.
Strike rate within 4 draws 92%
Strike rate next draw 55%
Are simulated draws valid ????
Patrick123
Member
Hi Springbok,
You have raised an interesting point. Now the random number generator used in most programs starts with a seed and builds onto that. As each simulation, I presume started with a new random seed, the 'essence' of that simulation was caught in it's stats which came through in the pairs predicted. My feeling is that this is the same with most lotto games, thus I cannot take the UK 49s and use that to base my drawings on when the SA lottery restarts.. it lacks the 'SA lottery essence'.
(hope that makes sense).
You have raised an interesting point. Now the random number generator used in most programs starts with a seed and builds onto that. As each simulation, I presume started with a new random seed, the 'essence' of that simulation was caught in it's stats which came through in the pairs predicted. My feeling is that this is the same with most lotto games, thus I cannot take the UK 49s and use that to base my drawings on when the SA lottery restarts.. it lacks the 'SA lottery essence'.
(hope that makes sense).
Patrick123
Member
To expand on my earlier mention of building up on the initial probable number,
looking at the Post-draw history, using the probable #18 as the main ball.
On the Pairs inclusive screen, one can see that 18 is quite dispersed throughout the pairings, no matter how you sort the numbers. In the Trips inclusive screen, 18 starts coming 'together' with certain numbers once it gets sorted. Following Springbok's analysis of probable trip hits, we then isolate the potential lines, as well as the other trips that have similar characteristics. This way we should be able to start predicting about 3 or 4 balls within about 9 or 10 total numbers.
(Am I as clear as mud?)
Regards
Patrick
looking at the Post-draw history, using the probable #18 as the main ball.
On the Pairs inclusive screen, one can see that 18 is quite dispersed throughout the pairings, no matter how you sort the numbers. In the Trips inclusive screen, 18 starts coming 'together' with certain numbers once it gets sorted. Following Springbok's analysis of probable trip hits, we then isolate the potential lines, as well as the other trips that have similar characteristics. This way we should be able to start predicting about 3 or 4 balls within about 9 or 10 total numbers.
(Am I as clear as mud?)
Regards
Patrick
A quantum lottery?
Thinking about simulated draws makes one think of parallel universes in quantum physics. For every real universe you have an unlimited number of parallel universes which are similar to the real universe but slighly different. So we created 5 parallel universes with 4 draws of the real universe on top. Each parallel universe reacted differently to the real universe as illustrated by the analysis done by Patrick's program.
Thinking about simulated draws makes one think of parallel universes in quantum physics. For every real universe you have an unlimited number of parallel universes which are similar to the real universe but slighly different. So we created 5 parallel universes with 4 draws of the real universe on top. Each parallel universe reacted differently to the real universe as illustrated by the analysis done by Patrick's program.
Patrick123
Member
Hi Springbok, Any idea how I can assign a percentage probability value to the rebalancing of a pair or trip?
Patrick123
Member
I wish I lived in the universe with the matching draw
Maybe we should email Steve Hawkins & see if he can help us out there
Maybe we should email Steve Hawkins & see if he can help us out there
Each random set was produced by Mdied. Every time I created the simulated file a different seed was used. So every seed was different for each of the files.Can you use the UK results. Well there are not enough drawings to use for multiple simulated files. Each combination was unique and was not repeated in any file.
While I was in the library I looked at the spooky section with ghosts etc-its near the computer section. Saw a book on divination. It gives 147 methods from throwing mutton bones to reading tea leaves. Tea leaves are difficult to read if there are in teabags so I will check out the mutton bone throwing method. Believe it or not I took the book
Patrick123
Member
Looks like there is something to the law of plenty of numbers, maybe the main relationship is to the concept of the 6/49 all along instead of individual lotto stats.
Patrick123
Member
There go the lamb chops for the next week, now imagine if you lived in Oz....
Further testing. Same files, same result file. This time only the pairing at 100% chosen with the highest skip value.
XP1: 1 pair. strike draw 1
Xp2: 1 pair. strike draw 1
Xp3. 1 pair. strike draw 1
Xp4. I pair. strike draw 4
Xp5. 1 pair. strike draw 1
Strike rate within 4 draw: 100%
Strike rate first draw: 80%
This seems to point out the validity of using randomly generated draws by computer and the validity of the algorithm we are using.
The question is, can we trust just the real draws alone?
XP1: 1 pair. strike draw 1
Xp2: 1 pair. strike draw 1
Xp3. 1 pair. strike draw 1
Xp4. I pair. strike draw 4
Xp5. 1 pair. strike draw 1
Strike rate within 4 draw: 100%
Strike rate first draw: 80%
This seems to point out the validity of using randomly generated draws by computer and the validity of the algorithm we are using.
The question is, can we trust just the real draws alone?