Questions for the experts out there.

[Randz]

Hello!

I am a longtime lurker - first time contributer.

Question #1 - Top Numbers

On last week's Lotto 649 (Saturday January 26) I had 5 numbers in my group of 18. My question is, like many of you you have your Top 20 that you will play over a determined time-frame 2-3 draws, or 2-3 weeks. When you hit many numbers, do you rethink at that point? Or do you keep playing those numbers as planned?

I am just curious if I should update my 18, now that I hit 5.

Question #2 - Proper Use of Wheels

I had picked up a Serotic 18 Number wheel a few months ago and have been using it - last week (when I got 5 numbers out of 18) I won multiple small prizes and one line with 4 numbers.

I have always wondered this (and especially with Serotic Wheels), when I feed my 18 numbers into the wheel - should I first lay the numbers out in ascending order and then wheel them. Or (as I have been doing) randomly "mixing" them up and then wheeling them?

Your thoughts would be appreciated!

 

[Randz]

...thanks for all your replies to a simple & relevant question.

Very nice.

 

[Springbok]

Hi Randz

You generally don't get much feedback here. The way you do things is different from the way I do things so I can't suggest much. All I can say is to backtest your idea and see whatsup. May the Force be with you as we all need it in this game

 

[robertlanglois]

Hi

This group is pretty much dead. I too am looking for strategies to improve my chances of winning so I can't help you much...

Maybe if you look in the older messages on this board, you will find answers to your questions. The archive goes back a couple of years.

 

[Randz]

Thanks Guys!

I really wanted to know if you insert your numbers (for example: 01/02/03/04/05/06) in that order. Or do you mix them up before wheeling (for example: 02/04/01/03/06/05)?

Randz

 

[blitzed]

hiya Randz,

it doesn't really matter howya shuffle & deal the numbers fromya pool into the wheel.

the wheel's match criteria will still be intact, unless it is a key type wheel...thenya have to be sure your main number is spun through the picks in the wheel properly.

ifya go to my 649 lotto webpage:
http://crazynuts.hollosite.com/649_lottery_picks/

you can plug your number pool in any order into the little wheel generator, and the match criteria will be the same.

the random 4if4 from a pool of 9numbers in 12picks wheel below that is a good example...the numbers are dealt according to the wheel template, no matter where they get placed, the same base match guarantee is there.

later,
blitzed

 

[robertlanglois]

I think people keep their wheel when their numbers come up because they consider those their "hot numbers". People seem to play the numbers that have come up in the last 10-15 draws and ignore those numbers that have not come up in the last couple of weeks.

When the numbers reappear, they become hot and then people play them again.

Others seem to think that numbers that haven't been drawn in a while are overdue and therefore should statistically show up soon so they play them.

I wish I knew which was the better strategy.

 

[Springbok]

Hi robertlanglois

In a typical 6/49 lottery 3 to 4 numbers come up that have hit in the last 6 draws. 1 or 2 come up that have skip values between 7 and 12 and one number comes up with a skip value over 12. That is the kind of mixture you are looking at. If your numbers reflect only numbers with a skip value of 6 then it is a definite no no. Same with all numbers with skip values between 7 to infinity. On one occasion since 1994 in the UK lottery all numbers had a skip value of over 12. There were 9 of them. That is a wonderful situation but very, very rare.

 

[Randz]

Excellent information...thanks folks!

Springbok - I have lots of family from Durban. I've been to visit a few times when I spent a few months in Namibia. South Africa is beautiful!

 

[GillesD]

Skip value for winning numbers

Springbok, you raised an interesting point with your skip value for winning numbers.

I tried to get the actual values for both the Canadian 6/49 (2506 draws) and the U.K. 6/49 (1262 draws). If my calculations are good, here is what I got:

In the last 6 draws: 3.30 and 3.23 winning numbers respectively in Canada and in the U.K.
In the 7th to 12th draw: 1.44 and 1.54 winning numbers in the same order.
No number in the last 12 draws: 1.26 and 1.22 winning numbers in the same order.

Very similar results for both lotteries.

But looking for winning combinations with your criteria (3-4 numbers in the last 6 draws, 1-2 in the 7th to 12th draw and 1 never in the last 12 draws), I found that, for the Canadian Lotto 6/49, only about 25% of the actual winning combinations matched exactly your criteria.

 

[Springbok]

Bonjour GillesD

Here is the skipping report for the UK game. It gives the skips for each of the last 20 draws. The median is 6. As you can see it is pretty dynamic changing from draw to draw. I gave an average midpoint scenario previously.


* LOTTO-6 Skipping Report by Draw
File: LOTTOUK; Date: 02-03-2008
Draws Analyzed: 20

Line Any Any Any Any Any Any
no. 1 2 3 4 5 6
-------------------------------------
1 21 1 6 5 9 6
2 21 4 10 8 21 13
3 18 6 2 1 21 2
4 7 5 2 3 1 10
5 2 12 6 6 10 2
6 6 4 20 9 21 10
7 10 6 3 5 21 9
8 4 9 10 3 4 1
9 17 18 6 7 5 6
10 1 10 5 17 14 8
11 6 2 1 19 21 11
12 6 1 6 4 11 1
13 1 1 8 10 1 3
14 3 4 10 3 5 7
15 4 8 5 21 8 12
16 21 7 21 3 4 4
17 1 5 10 3 2 2
18 6 4 7 7 18 1
19 9 3 1 7 2 5
20 3 11 1 1 21 10

 

[Springbok]

Bonjour again GillesD

I have put the skips values in sorted order to make them easier to read. Here the zero represents hits previous draw while in the other list 1 represents the previous draw. So everything on this list is +1 compared to the first list. It makes interesting reading especially when you study the results from the last 1226 or so draws in the UK 6/49.

I am not happy with the output at the moment. There seem to be inconsistencies. Will have to check the software and the files I am using.


0 4 5 5 8 22
3 7 9 12 28 30
0 1 1 5 17 29
0 1 2 4 6 9
1 1 5 5 9 11
3 5 8 9 19 50
2 4 5 8 9 37
0 2 3 3 8 9
4 5 5 6 16 17
0 4 7 9 13 16
0 1 5 10 18 24
0 0 3 5 5 10
0 0 0 2 7 9
2 2 3 4 6 9
3 4 7 7 11 34
2 3 3 6 34 36
0 1 1 2 4 9
0 3 5 6 6 17
0 1 2 4 6 8
0 0 2 9 10 34
0 0 6 8 11 12
2 3 6 6 7 17
1 3 4 6 7 8
0 0 6 16 20 24
0 1 2 7 9 9

 

[Springbok]

Bonjour GillesD

The sorted order is 100% accurate. The count starts at 0 from the second line.The draws analysed include last night's draw. It depends where the count starts.

 

[robertlanglois]

In a typical 6/49 lottery 3 to 4 numbers come up that have hit in the last 6 draws. 1 or 2 come up that have skip values between 7 and 12 and one number comes up with a skip value over 12. That is the kind of mixture you are looking at. If your numbers reflect only numbers with a skip value of 6 then it is a definite no no. Same with all numbers with skip values between 7 to infinity. On one occasion since 1994 in the UK lottery all numbers had a skip value of over 12. There were 9 of them. That is a wonderful situation but very, very rare.

Last draw (Canada draw #2508) 7-11-13-34-46-47 - (B-9)

In the six draws before, the numbers 13,34,47 had been drawn twice each.
In those six draws, the numbers 7,11,46 had been drawn once.
The number 9, never. But it did come up once between 7 and 12 draws before.


So I guess the last draw doesn't represent a typical situation. We have six numbers from the last six draws and one number with a skip value between 7 and 12. There were no numbers with a skip value over 12.

We can't be right everytime I guess.

 

[luckyhorse]

sometimes I think everybody ignores the obvious because we have been so statistically bomabarded with so many different methods of selecting likely numbers the reason 3 to 4 numbers will come in the last 6 draws is because there are 30 or more numbers in that group of the last 6 draws so if you look at averages of course 3 to 4 numbers will be there

 

[robertlanglois]

sometimes I think everybody ignores the obvious because we have been so statistically bomabarded with so many different methods of selecting likely numbers the reason 3 to 4 numbers will come in the last 6 draws is because there are 30 or more numbers in that group of the last 6 draws so if you look at averages of course 3 to 4 numbers will be there

Hi. That makes a lot of sense. I didn't see it that way.

This means we can't use the last six draws to predict the future draws.