Probability of repeats

Bertil

Member
What is the theoretical probability that one out of the five black numbers
in Powerball will repeat in the next draw? In a quick review of the last 27
draws I found 8 such repeats.
I found no case of two numbers repeating. What would be the chance of
two or more numbers repeating from one draw to the next?
Finally, what is the probability that one number would repeat three or
more times from draw to draw?

Bertil
 

Icewynd

Member
Hi Bertil,

Unfortunately I don't know how to do the calculations for this one -- hopefully some knowlegable person will come along and show both of us.

According to Gail Howard, the probabilities for repeats are:

0 repeats ---0.47
1 repeat ----0.38
2+repeats --0.15

Also, the following website "Lotto Soup" gives data on which numbers have repeated:

http://www.pballstats.com/powerball_repeating_numbers.html

Their data shows that two numbers have repeated as recently as July 27, 2013.

Hope this helps, :thumb:
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bertil,

Bertil said:
What is the theoretical probability that one out of the five black numbers in Powerball will repeat in the next draw? In a quick review of the last 27 draws I found 8 such repeats.
I found no case of two numbers repeating.
What would be the chance of two or more numbers repeating from one draw to the next?
I can probably work out the Mathematics for you but I need some more information please.
I don't do the particular Lotto that you describe so to start with I need to know what the total number of balls that are drawn from and the total number of black balls that are drawn and the total number of balls that are drawn other than black balls.

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

Bertil

Member
Repeats

Icewynd said:
Hi Bertil,

Unfortunately I don't know how to do the calculations for this one -- hopefully some knowlegable person will come along and show both of us.

According to Gail Howard, the probabilities for repeats are:

0 repeats ---0.47
1 repeat ----0.38
2+repeats --0.15

Also, the following website "Lotto Soup" gives data on which numbers have repeated:

http://www.pballstats.com/powerball_repeating_numbers.html

Their data shows that two numbers have repeated as recently as July 27, 2013.

Hope this helps, :thumb:

Yes, the # 9 and 40 both repeated on July 27. I missed both.

Bertil
 

Bertil

Member
Yes, there were repeats for #9 and #40 on July 27. I missed them

Bertil

As for the Powerball , its matrix is 5/59 for black balls, and you can forget about the red.

Bertil
 

PAB

Member
Bertil,

Bertil said:
As for the Powerball , its matrix is 5/59 for black balls, and you can forget about the red.
Here is the information you requested for EACH BALL repeating from the CURRENT DRAW IN THE NEXT DRAW.

0 Repeated = 3,162,510 Combinations which = 63.17% and is expected 1 in every 1.58 draws.
1 Repeated = 1,581,255 Combinations which = 31.58% and is expected 1 in every 3.17 draws.
2 Repeated = 248,040 Combinations which = 4.95% and is expected 1 in every 20.18 draws.
3 Repeated = 14,310 Combinations which = 0.29% and is expected 1 in every 349.85 draws.
4 Repeated = 270 Combinations which = 0.01% and is expected 1 in every 18,542.17 draws.
5 Repeated = 1 Combination which = 0.00% and is expected 1 in every 5,006,386. draws.
Totals > = 5,006,386 Combinations which = 100.00%

I hope this helps!

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

Bertil

Member
Thanks PAB. That looks interesting, Do these data apply to the same ball repeating or any ball?

Bertil
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bertil,

Bertil said:
Do these data apply to the same ball repeating or any ball?
I don't really understand your question!
The statistics are from 0 balls repeating to ALL 5 balls repeating!
For example, where it says 3 Repeated, that means ANY 3 of the 5 balls repeating in the next draw!

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bertil,

Bertil said:
Finally, what is the probability that one number would repeat three or more times from draw to draw?
As far as I can work out from what you are asking above, the statistics I posted stand whether it's for one draw or for several draws.
I think that Frank is probably the best one to comment on this as far as the statistics and your question is concerned. He might read this thread and kindly substantiate my answer or not!

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

Frank

Member
Yes guys I've read this thread with interest and I understand Bertil's question in relation to the above. I'll have to keep you in suspense though as I'm just off out for the evening so can only give this quick reply for now. I'll be back !
 

PAB

Member
Frank said:
Yes guys I've read this thread with interest and I understand Bertil's question in relation to the above. I'll have to keep you in suspense though as I'm just off out for the evening so can only give this quick reply for now. I'll be back!
Thanks Frank, enjoy you're evening :agree: .

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

Frank

Member
Heres how I see it:-
Ok, I think PAB has answered Bertils first question correctly for the case when you are asking the question "What is the probability of one, or a combination of n of the numbers in this five ball result repeating to another result ? Note that no specific ball is identified here, and for a single ball - its just any one of the five repeating.

So if the last result was 13,22,28,40,59 and you are asking for the probability of one of either 13,22,28,40,59 turning up in the next draw, then thats a single repeat and its probability (using PAB's figures) is 31.58%

This is true of comparison between any two draws be they consecutive, 100 draws apart, or a million draws apart.

Bertil then asked " Do these data apply to the same ball repeating or any ball?". As I said they apply to any unidentified combination of balls from the set of 5 repeating.

If you want to know the probability of a specific ball from a set of 5 balls in past result repeating then thats different. I think its exactly the same as the probability of a single named ball (from the full range) being drawn next time - as the lottery has no memory and all balls have an equal chance. In a 5/59 game if you had asked whats the probability of number 22 being drawn (hence repeating by coincidence) then I suggest that you have five chances of it being drawn from the 59 available balls. that gives a probability of 5/59 = 8.47% exactly the same as any other number.

Your next question was :- Finally, what is the probability that one number would repeat three or more times from draw to draw? Well the old chestnut question about coin tosses can help here.

What is the probability that when you toss a coin that it will land heads three times in a row ? Well theres one answer, but there are 2 questions involved. The probability of heads in a single toss is 0.5, but the probability of getting heads three times in a row is 0.5x0.5x0.5 =0.125. However the probability of getting heads at any stage and in the fourth toss is still 0.5 because each toss is independent, there is no memory trail determining outcome.

So, back to the lottery the probability of your named ball coming out three times in a row is 0.0847 x0.0847 x0.0847 = 0.000609 or 0.06%. Remember the probability of it being drawn in any draw, regardless of what went before is still 0.0847.

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PAB

Member
Frank said:
If you want to know the probability of a specific ball from a set of 5 balls in past result repeating then thats different. I think its exactly the same as the probability of a single named ball (from the full range) being drawn next time - as the lottery has no memory and all balls have an equal chance. In a 5/59 game if you had asked whats the probability of number 22 being drawn (hence repeating by coincidence) then I suggest that you have five chances of it being drawn from the 59 available balls. That gives a probability of 5/59 = 8.47% exactly the same as any other number.
Frank said:
So, back to the lottery the probability of your named ball coming out three times in a row is 0.0847 x 0.0847 x 0.0847 = 0.000609 or 0.06%. Remember the probability of it being drawn in any draw, regardless of what went before is still 0.0847.
Excellent work and explanation as usual Frank :thumb: .

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bertil,

I think Frank and I have pretty much covered the statistics for "Probability Of Repeats" that you wanted so it will be interesting to see what you come up with all the information you now have!
Please keep us posted and good luck.

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

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