pick 3 system / program analysis OHD

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Part of developing a consistently winning strategy is to look for conditions that are ripe for play within as few a number of draws as possible. A good example of this is with Ohio Mid Day.:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q16/p3plyr/ohd.jpg

Here we see the number 7 plunging on the 60 draw chart. In fact, OHD K7 is the highest consecutively non-playing number of every three number game in north america as of this posting, with 37 consecutive draws of non-play. In the last two years no key number has gone past 40 consecutive draws of non-play, so this is an area to potentially exploit for profit.

To play a key number, to cover all contingencies, it takes 55 combinations. However, one can decide to play only a singles side of the bet, and filter out a root or two to cut down on the size of the bet in case the 7 does not play.

Another technique is to simply cover for all contingencies and play the K7 consecutively until it hits, increasing the size of your tickets per play as needed to cover losses along the way. This is called creating an option on a key number. It is not a cheap method, but it has a very high degree of profitability.

The important aspect is timing. It is never a matter of if but when. If we can get within just a few draws of any aspect of play, and have the bank to create the options, winning is easy, assuming we have the right dataset to work with.

There is still no published 'exact science' on p3 timing regarding particular statistical contingencies, but we can at least get in the ball park.

The current extreme for K7 OHD, in purely statistical terms, is clearly tantalizing, but there are no guarantees OHD cannot break precedent with a core statistical extreme. That is where the risk comes in.

Part of studying data is to look for areas where particular sectors of the data set translate into things that are very likely to happen very soon, or that very draw. It'll be interesting to see what happens with K7 in OHD over the next few draws.
 

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Pick 3 Turbo Pl said:
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with 37 consecutive draws of non-play. In the last two years no key number has gone past 40 consecutive draws of non-play, so this is an area to potentially exploit for profit.

Part of studying data is to look for areas where particular sectors of the data set translate into things that are very likely to happen very soon, or that very draw. It'll be interesting to see what happens with K7 in OHD over the next few draws.

Quite right Pick...I'm waitin for 7 to drop into the 1st digit position...it has been out 32draws on the CA Daily 3 Eve.

Playing probabilities works for me...but betting so much that the coldest digit will finally drop can dig you into a hole.

I have the most luck shooting for the most probable doubles, when I feel that doubles are due, along with most probable singles...takes a small amount of picks to play. I would have won on doubles again tonight, but I was guttin fiish and cookin dinner, no time to wash up and run down to play my picks. oh well, I'll get them next time :)

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hojimoe said:
we've had 6 draws with no doubles, usually it's every 4th at the most 3rd is the more common :eek:

yeah, CA Daily 3 midday doubles hav enow been out 8 draws...didn't break today doh! oh well, I only bet a few of the probable ones anyway. Usually the midday is littered with doubles, way more often than the eve draw.

it was also unusual today since it was the very first time my system did not have the draw in my playfield. the first 2 digits were in my matrix, as always, but I have no idea where in the heck the 3 came from today heh! good thing I played very conservatively, just went for probable numbers and some of the coldest singles to break. maybe I'll use the same strategy tomorrow.

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Teufellj

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Hey blitzed,
remember my mentioning digite seem to be coming from right to left (Chinese fashion")? This is one of the occurances that happens! Also at times, I can run a block of numbers in a four slotted vertical column then the next night those same blocks of numbers disappear then reappear in the third night. Hmmmmm!

Teufellj...
 
blitzed said:
Quite right Pick...I'm waitin for 7 to drop into the 1st digit position...it has been out 32draws on the CA Daily 3 Eve.

Playing probabilities works for me...but betting so much that the coldest digit will finally drop can dig you into a hole.

I have the most luck shooting for the most probable doubles, when I feel that doubles are due, along with most probable singles...takes a small amount of picks to play. I would have won on doubles again tonight, but I was guttin fiish and cookin dinner, no time to wash up and run down to play my picks. oh well, I'll get them next time :)

blitzed


K7 is now 38 draws out for OHD. When I refer to a cold key I am referring to it not playing in 'any' position. I expect to see the 7 fall in a range from 38 to 44.

The coldest number in CAE happens to be 7, with only 6 consecutive non-plays. The odds are much better for a win starting at 38 than 6. Its just knowing which game features the radical extreme. The only catch is the games can be rigged so the lottery could purposely withold the 7 to take out all the players trying to get it. This means playing a little game of skipping a draw, and or playing the singles side of the bet only to cut down on the cost, but the probability of the 7 playing soon enough for OHD is still very high. All bets carrying a level of risk, to work on a 7 for a few draws is statistically speaking not a bad risk by comparison.

As far as trying to hit a doubles, in any 361 draw period, the maximum number of consecutive draws for a singles play ranges from the low 20s to the low 30s, with a mean of 27. CAE, for example, has a current maximum of 20.

PAE has the current longest running stretch of singles play at 12 with a current game maximum of 16. I like to wait until the maximum gets hit to think about making this play.

I would be interested to know what you base your decision on to go after a doubles play, and how do you set up a bet for it? Including triples, there are 100 combinations gross to cover all contingencies for a boxed play and 280 for a straight play. How many combinations do you end up playing, and what is the basis for choosing the combinations?

Being able to consistently nail down when a doubles will occur is definitely worth while.
 

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Teufellj said:
Hey blitzed,
remember my mentioning digite seem to be coming from right to left (Chinese fashion")? This is one of the occurances that happens! Also at times, I can run a block of numbers in a four slotted vertical column then the next night those same blocks of numbers disappear then reappear in the third night. Hmmmmm!

Teufellj...

hmmm is right heh!

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Pick 3 Turbo Pl said:
K7 is now 38 draws out for OHD. When I refer to a cold key I am referring to it not playing in 'any' position. I expect to see the 7 fall in a range from 38 to 44.

As far as trying to hit a doubles, in any 361 draw period, the maximum number of consecutive draws for a singles play ranges from the low 20s to the low 30s, with a mean of 27. CAE, for example, has a current maximum of 20.

I would be interested to know what you base your decision on to go after a doubles play, and how do you set up a bet for it? Including triples, there are 100 combinations gross to cover all contingencies for a boxed play and 280 for a straight play. How many combinations do you end up playing, and what is the basis for choosing the combinations?

Being able to consistently nail down when a doubles will occur is definitely worth while.

ah, well I track numbers by position...#7 has been absent from the 1st position now for 34 draws. Yes, when absence reaches upper 20's I suspect the computer pick3 draw algorithm is in play to maximize revenue as people bet heavily that it'll fall...when it goes this long...I don't expect that the shared payout will be very much tsk!

for choosing doubles, I look at past draw history...try to determine average doubles intervals...also, sometimes doubles hit back to back, so I'll typically bet 'em again if it hasn't happened for a while...most people don't dare bet doubles after they've already hit...the great benefit is that I'm left sittin on a very large payout since I don't have to share with many people :) also, best of all is that I don't have to risk much since I'm just probabilities ofr each scenario I chose.

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hojimoe

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see tonight ontario pick3 hit doubles, number was 332 but i was expecting the number 8 to be in there and not a 3 at all....so I missed it tonight, I played 332 and 223 a lot recently...but I played with only 10 lines tonight vs my usual 20-30...cost me $$ this time lol
 

Teufellj

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Hojimoe,
may I suggest eight past win doubles? Should you try this setup you will want to make four (4) verticle columns---three of the columns will have a normal rundown of ten (10) digits, one per cell...the cells are listed 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0---!
The last column will be in reverse order from ...10 to 1!
From this list (you will be using eight (8) past doubles; create your setup: Now then, use a SUNDAY that is in your list of doubles for a matching tool; one of these SUNDAY'S has an entire rundown of the previous week's winners including, any doubles involved. *See next post for example!*

Teufellj... /B]
 

Teufellj

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Hojimoe...Example to "Quick Reply"...

Example followup to "Quick Reply:

988
055
336
656
858
898
222
775

1-xxx
2-111
3-11x
4-xxx
5-x32
6-1x2
7-11x
8-213
9-11x
0-1xx

0-xxx
9-111
8-11x
7-xxx
6-x32
5-1x2
4-11x
3-213
2-11x
1-1xx

3637
9968
8859
5490
4301
2282
1073
0744
7525
6116
*See 4th. column?>>>add(+)...1 thru 10>>>...Start at the "0" in the 3rd. column in this fashion! The Ontario winner for Saturday the 28 was...697...1st. and second lines at the top...
If, you were looking for a double, this same way will lead you to it!

Luck to you,

Teufellj.../B]:look:
 
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hojimoe

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wow thanks teufellj, i think i finally understand your method!, except for how you got the digits in the 4th set... please explain that further...
 
blitzed said:
ah, well I track numbers by position...#7 has been absent from the 1st position now for 34 draws. Yes, when absence reaches upper 20's I suspect the computer pick3 draw algorithm is in play to maximize revenue as people bet heavily that it'll fall...when it goes this long...I don't expect that the shared payout will be very much tsk!

payouts are the same online, the best ones being 150/300/900, next best 116/233/700

The state's payouts are never any better, and in fact are often a lot worse. new jersey, for example, often pays only $45 or so on a boxed win.
 

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hojimoe said:
see tonight ontario pick3 hit doubles, number was 332 but i was expecting the number 8 to be in there and not a 3 at all....so I missed it tonight, I played 332 and 223 a lot recently...but I played with only 10 lines tonight vs my usual 20-30...cost me $$ this time lol

doh! yeah, sometimes it is really a gamble placin too many bets on a certain digit fallin.

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Teufellj said:
Hojimoe,
may I suggest eight past win doubles? Should you try this setup you will want to make four (4) verticle columns---three of the columns will have a normal rundown of ten (10) digits, one per cell...the cells are listed 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0---!
The last column will be in reverse order from ...10 to 1!
From this list (you will be using eight (8) past doubles; create your setup: Now then, use a SUNDAY that is in your list of doubles for a matching tool; one of these SUNDAY'S has an entire rundown of the previous week's winners including, any doubles involved. *See next post for example!*

Teufellj... /B]


hmmm nice, sounds like a plan. I've never thought to specifically track past doubles.

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Teufellj

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Hojimoe, it's called, "Tickle Me Elmo!" Trade secret, don't you know? Once I tell you then I'd have to shoot you! Actually, I figured it out when I attended St. Cyr in France, years ago.

Teufellj...
 

Teufellj

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Blitzed,
have you worked on your charts using the negative side? You at present are using only positive flow. A split chart where you would draw your trace lines for the second game identical to the original, then make indents where close or near exacts will convene? Use negative for backflowing digits that just miss by one or two numbers? Just a thought...Oh yeah, you mentioned not having started your other daily game, didn't you? Keep this in mind when you decide to re-invent the wheel!

Teufellj...
 

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Teufellj said:
Blitzed,
have you worked on your charts using the negative side? You at present are using only positive flow. A split chart where you would draw your trace lines for the second game identical to the original, then make indents where close or near exacts will convene? Use negative for backflowing digits that just miss by one or two numbers? Just a thought...Oh yeah, you mentioned not having started your other daily game, didn't you? Keep this in mind when you decide to re-invent the wheel!

Teufellj...

I've started tracking midday. I'm trying to track draw pattern matching across my playfield & 3x3 of top 3 cold digits for each position. I'd like to try to nail down averages....see how often draws come from the 3x3, or 2 digits in 3x3, then 1 digit outside in my playfield at 6draws out or more. Those seem to be the most common formulas. Only once so far have I been perplexed by a hot digit bein drawn.

Anyway, I'm also working on pattern matching stuff...to track the ways in which draws come out of my 3x3 and playfield.

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Pick 3 Turbo Pl said:
payouts are the same online, the best ones being 150/300/900, next best 116/233/700

The state's payouts are never any better, and in fact are often a lot worse. new jersey, for example, often pays only $45 or so on a boxed win.
If you find the first set of payouts anywhere, stick with it - it's a 90% payout percentage. If you have a system that can beat that percentage you can make a living from it.

Most U.S. state's payout percentage on P3 is 50% with some going as high as 60%. In those jurisdictions where it is 50%, some of the box percentages dip to 48%. And CA is pari-mutuel - they take no risk at all.
 

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johnph77 said:
If you find the first set of payouts anywhere, stick with it - it's a 90% payout percentage. If you have a system that can beat that percentage you can make a living from it.

Most U.S. state's payout percentage on P3 is 50% with some going as high as 60%. In those jurisdictions where it is 50%, some of the box percentages dip to 48%. And CA is pari-mutuel - they take no risk at all.

Yeah, pari-mutuel is lame!

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