turtle0747
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Hello BP from turtle0747
Hello BP
Thanks! I will give those a try.
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black prince said:
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Thanks! I will give those a try.
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Master Lottery Software
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turtle0747
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Forgot to ask. What columns do you use with these filters?
Thanks
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black prince said:
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Forgot to ask. What columns do you use with these filters?
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Patrick123
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Hi Moses,
That sounds fantastic, looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Patrick
That sounds fantastic, looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Patrick
ChesterDennis
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To Paqel:
If you import your history data into the program, QPC by Dragan Stojiljkovic will display all lines with 2 - 6 matches (including bonus numbers) given a group of numbers.
A very good little program.
If you import your history data into the program, QPC by Dragan Stojiljkovic will display all lines with 2 - 6 matches (including bonus numbers) given a group of numbers.
A very good little program.
Hello to everybody
I was wondering if any of you guys can help me with this!
If we take lottery 649 plus the power ball (bonus) as example then;
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 4 numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 plus PB numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting all 6 numbers (jackpot) correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 4 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 4 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 numbers correct?
Let’s make it a bet complicated
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 4 numbers correct and lesser than people getting 5 correct but more than people getting all the 6 numbers?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be MORE than people getting 4 numbers correct but Lesser than people getting 5 correct and MORE than people getting all the 6 numbers?
I think you'll get the picture whereas the questions like above can continue for all possible variations for 3,4,5 from 6 and the answer is big YES!!!!
My questions are firstly why this situation had never happened in any lottery around of world we’re talking about good few lotteries and 1000s and 1000s of draws, secondly how would I workout the accurate percentage for all possibilities? Any Idea?
Example of prize winners
Jackpot prize----x person
Second prize----xx people
Third prize------xxx people
Forth prize------xxxx people
Fifth prize------xxxxx people
The example of dividend above does not have to be in that low to high order for every single draw!
The one and only conclusion that I can draw is either the number of prize winners as the organisers claim is totally false and imaginary or the balls are chipped with electronics to search for the jackpot numbers which shapeup the dividends in low to high order!
Cheers
Moses
I was wondering if any of you guys can help me with this!
If we take lottery 649 plus the power ball (bonus) as example then;
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 4 numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 plus PB numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting all 6 numbers (jackpot) correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 4 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 numbers correct?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 4 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 5 numbers correct?
Let’s make it a bet complicated
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesser than people getting 4 numbers correct and lesser than people getting 5 correct but more than people getting all the 6 numbers?
Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be MORE than people getting 4 numbers correct but Lesser than people getting 5 correct and MORE than people getting all the 6 numbers?
I think you'll get the picture whereas the questions like above can continue for all possible variations for 3,4,5 from 6 and the answer is big YES!!!!
My questions are firstly why this situation had never happened in any lottery around of world we’re talking about good few lotteries and 1000s and 1000s of draws, secondly how would I workout the accurate percentage for all possibilities? Any Idea?
Example of prize winners
Jackpot prize----x person
Second prize----xx people
Third prize------xxx people
Forth prize------xxxx people
Fifth prize------xxxxx people
The example of dividend above does not have to be in that low to high order for every single draw!
The one and only conclusion that I can draw is either the number of prize winners as the organisers claim is totally false and imaginary or the balls are chipped with electronics to search for the jackpot numbers which shapeup the dividends in low to high order!
Cheers
Moses
Possible vs likely
Moses
The answers to your question are always the same: YES it could be possible that more people would win with an higher number of winning numbers than with a lower number of winning numbers.
But the real question should not be "Is it possible that..." but "Is it likely that… And to this question is definitely NO.
Let's take actual data from Canadian Lott 6/49. For 3 regular draws in 2009 (no rollover and about $4M in prizes), the data from Loto Quebec site provides this following information (all data is a rounded average for the 3 draws):
- tickets sold: 7,102,385
- number of winners (5 / 6): 110
- number of winners (4 / 6): 6400
- number of winners (3 / 6): 119,500
So it could be possible that more people bet with 4 of the 6 winners than those with 5 winners but unlikely. Why? With such an high volume of tickets, bought independently by many, many people, each with its own system (random picks, hot numbers, cold numbers, etc.), then the distribution of numbers chosen is most likely uniform and the higher number of winners will be with 3 out 6, then 4 out 6, then …
It is very, very unlikely to happen with 3/6 winners, 4/6 winners and 5/6 winners but if you check the data for Nov. 11th, 2008, you will find 6 winners for the 6/6 prize and 0 (yes zero) for the 5+/6 prize. So here you have it.
Moses
The answers to your question are always the same: YES it could be possible that more people would win with an higher number of winning numbers than with a lower number of winning numbers.
But the real question should not be "Is it possible that..." but "Is it likely that… And to this question is definitely NO.
Let's take actual data from Canadian Lott 6/49. For 3 regular draws in 2009 (no rollover and about $4M in prizes), the data from Loto Quebec site provides this following information (all data is a rounded average for the 3 draws):
- tickets sold: 7,102,385
- number of winners (5 / 6): 110
- number of winners (4 / 6): 6400
- number of winners (3 / 6): 119,500
So it could be possible that more people bet with 4 of the 6 winners than those with 5 winners but unlikely. Why? With such an high volume of tickets, bought independently by many, many people, each with its own system (random picks, hot numbers, cold numbers, etc.), then the distribution of numbers chosen is most likely uniform and the higher number of winners will be with 3 out 6, then 4 out 6, then …
It is very, very unlikely to happen with 3/6 winners, 4/6 winners and 5/6 winners but if you check the data for Nov. 11th, 2008, you will find 6 winners for the 6/6 prize and 0 (yes zero) for the 5+/6 prize. So here you have it.
Here we go again
I have been asking this question for sometime but no-one ever answered my question in mathematical terms! I am not interested why is never happened as I know the lottery system is corrupt but what I am looking for is how we can calculate or workout the actual breakdown or possibility, can you understand this and can you help?
And anyways Gilles, how long is Canadian lottery going for and this situation just happened in Nov 2008? I think they must got my hint at last or somebody went and told them to do something about it!
Possible = Likely, can you tell me the difference please? The way I see it if there is a possibility then there is certainty to happen besides in your good example you compared 6 from 6 and 5+ from 6 again! We don’t have 5+/6 and it should be 5 from 7 (power ball, Bonus ball) and it just happened to ZERO with no payments to payout, what a clever move and now you can brag about it too!
What if this was happened in different prize category 3 and 4 or 3 and 5? The person get 5 numbers right will receive much lesser payment and that would have cause some war, wouldn’t it?
This is what is all about the organisers pocketing money due to people negligence!
What will you do Gilles D if you had 5 numbers right and get $10 and you next door neighbour get 3 numbers and wins more than you? Don’t say it is possible BUT unlikely plllllllllllllllllllllllease!
Now, this is my view which I am working on it and I know that my approach is correct but welcome other views!
If these six numbers are the lottery numbers then
01 02 03 04 05 06
Matching any three from 6 equals 20 wheels or possibilities
01 02 03
01 02 04
01 02 05
01 02 06
01 03 04
01 03 05
01 03 06
01 04 05
01 04 06
01 05 06
02 03 04
02 03 05
02 03 06
02 04 05
02 04 06
02 05 06
03 04 05
03 04 06
03 05 06
04 05 06
There are big possibilities that some of the wheels above get saturated by the players and some never get used at all and the only people would know the inside information is the Camelot or the lottery organiser and no-one else!
Matching any four from 6 equals 10 wheels or possibilities
01 02 03 04
01 02 03 05
01 02 03 06
01 03 04 05
01 03 04 06
01 04 05 06
02 03 04 05
02 03 04 06
02 03 05 06
02 04 05 06
Possibility; more players cover 10 wheels than 20 wheels above
Matching any five from 6 equals 6 wheels or possibilities
01 02 03 04 05
01 02 03 04 06
01 02 03 05 06
01 02 04 05 06
01 03 04 05 06
02 03 04 05 06
Possibility; more players cover 6 wheels than 10,20 wheels above
Matching all six from 6 equal 1 wheels and no other possibilities
01 02 03 04 05 06
Possibility; more players cover 1 wheel than 6,10,20 wheels above
Moses
GillesD said:
I have been asking this question for sometime but no-one ever answered my question in mathematical terms! I am not interested why is never happened as I know the lottery system is corrupt but what I am looking for is how we can calculate or workout the actual breakdown or possibility, can you understand this and can you help?
And anyways Gilles, how long is Canadian lottery going for and this situation just happened in Nov 2008? I think they must got my hint at last or somebody went and told them to do something about it!
Possible = Likely, can you tell me the difference please? The way I see it if there is a possibility then there is certainty to happen besides in your good example you compared 6 from 6 and 5+ from 6 again! We don’t have 5+/6 and it should be 5 from 7 (power ball, Bonus ball) and it just happened to ZERO with no payments to payout, what a clever move and now you can brag about it too!
What if this was happened in different prize category 3 and 4 or 3 and 5? The person get 5 numbers right will receive much lesser payment and that would have cause some war, wouldn’t it?
This is what is all about the organisers pocketing money due to people negligence!
What will you do Gilles D if you had 5 numbers right and get $10 and you next door neighbour get 3 numbers and wins more than you? Don’t say it is possible BUT unlikely plllllllllllllllllllllllease!
Now, this is my view which I am working on it and I know that my approach is correct but welcome other views!
If these six numbers are the lottery numbers then
01 02 03 04 05 06
Matching any three from 6 equals 20 wheels or possibilities
01 02 03
01 02 04
01 02 05
01 02 06
01 03 04
01 03 05
01 03 06
01 04 05
01 04 06
01 05 06
02 03 04
02 03 05
02 03 06
02 04 05
02 04 06
02 05 06
03 04 05
03 04 06
03 05 06
04 05 06
There are big possibilities that some of the wheels above get saturated by the players and some never get used at all and the only people would know the inside information is the Camelot or the lottery organiser and no-one else!
Matching any four from 6 equals 10 wheels or possibilities
01 02 03 04
01 02 03 05
01 02 03 06
01 03 04 05
01 03 04 06
01 04 05 06
02 03 04 05
02 03 04 06
02 03 05 06
02 04 05 06
Possibility; more players cover 10 wheels than 20 wheels above
Matching any five from 6 equals 6 wheels or possibilities
01 02 03 04 05
01 02 03 04 06
01 02 03 05 06
01 02 04 05 06
01 03 04 05 06
02 03 04 05 06
Possibility; more players cover 6 wheels than 10,20 wheels above
Matching all six from 6 equal 1 wheels and no other possibilities
01 02 03 04 05 06
Possibility; more players cover 1 wheel than 6,10,20 wheels above
Moses
Unlikely possibilities
<<<<<There are big possibilities that some of the wheels above get saturated by the players and some never get used at all and the only people would know the inside information is the Camelot and no-one else!>>>>>>
I refer to my previous post and above paragraph, this is a very true scenario whereas some wheels keep on repeating time and time again but in separate lotteries and sometimes even in exact drawn order but some wheels do not appear even in sorted order!
In order to prove this theory I put all the UK lottery results (Lotto, Extra, Thunder, Daily and Euro) in one cell and I selected different colours for the background for each of the lottery then I removed the dates of the draws and then sorted the draws from the lowest of appearance! Now all the different lotteries are mixed up in the cell and the colours will make it easy to see the trend of appearance of some specific wheels and the gaps between the draws and also the branches of tree-routes, for example;
01 02 03 04 balls in order of drawn
46 21 02 40 in Lotto
46 21 02 47 in Extra
46 32 22 18 in Extra
46 32 22 36 in Lotto
44 42 16 40 in Extra
44 42 16 47 in Extra again
44 18 07 11 in Lotto
44 18 07 36 in Euro
42 35 09 03 in Euro
42 35 09 43 in Lotto
39 36 09 11 in Lotto
39 36 09 14 in Extra
Some examples from the low key numbers
26 21 07 23 in Daily
26 21 07 43 in Euro
25 16 33 01 in Thunder
25 16 33 03 in Thunder
25 14 15 07 in Daily
25 14 15 23 in Daily
25 11 26 06 in Thunder
25 11 26 09 in Daily
25 04 24 02 in Daily
25 04 24 17 in Thunder
24 27 14 13 22 in Extra 24/11/2001 (quads with identical positions)
24 27 14 13 23 in Extra 24/01/2004
27 14 07 12 in Daily
27 14 07 13 in Daily
These are just handful that I selected and there are many, many more! The tree-routes starts from the third and the forth (centre ball) digits and it expands! Now you might think this is extraordinary piece of information then wait I tell you the rest!
If we drop the first digit and continue the search from the second digit then we can narrow down the tree-route, example from above
25 04 24 02 in Daily
25 04 24 17 in Thunder (searching for the set that starts with first digit and second
04 24;
04 24 22 17 in Daily
04 24 22 29 in Thunder
27 14 07 12 in Daily
27 14 07 13 in Daily
In this test I sorted the results from left to right but what if I sort the same results from low to high but from right to left (from the seventh ball) example;
27 14 07 04 in Daily (remember the first digit is actually the seventh ball and 6th.....)
25 04 42 in Lotto
25 05 26 12 in Daily
25 05 26 19 in Daily
23 21 13 12 in Daily
23 21 13 20 in Lotto
23 20 17 16 11 in Daily
23 20 17 16 12 in Daily
23 08 19 03 in Daily
23 08 19 10 in Lotto
As Gilles says these UNLIKELY possibilities are repeatedly happening but in different lotteries so I must be big fool to think these are randomly generated and a total idiot to not see the relations between these draws!
Is this why the lottery organisers do not produce the results in drawn order?
Patrick are you about? I suggest that all the software writers to stick around!
Moses
<<<<<There are big possibilities that some of the wheels above get saturated by the players and some never get used at all and the only people would know the inside information is the Camelot and no-one else!>>>>>>
I refer to my previous post and above paragraph, this is a very true scenario whereas some wheels keep on repeating time and time again but in separate lotteries and sometimes even in exact drawn order but some wheels do not appear even in sorted order!
In order to prove this theory I put all the UK lottery results (Lotto, Extra, Thunder, Daily and Euro) in one cell and I selected different colours for the background for each of the lottery then I removed the dates of the draws and then sorted the draws from the lowest of appearance! Now all the different lotteries are mixed up in the cell and the colours will make it easy to see the trend of appearance of some specific wheels and the gaps between the draws and also the branches of tree-routes, for example;
01 02 03 04 balls in order of drawn
46 21 02 40 in Lotto
46 21 02 47 in Extra
46 32 22 18 in Extra
46 32 22 36 in Lotto
44 42 16 40 in Extra
44 42 16 47 in Extra again
44 18 07 11 in Lotto
44 18 07 36 in Euro
42 35 09 03 in Euro
42 35 09 43 in Lotto
39 36 09 11 in Lotto
39 36 09 14 in Extra
Some examples from the low key numbers
26 21 07 23 in Daily
26 21 07 43 in Euro
25 16 33 01 in Thunder
25 16 33 03 in Thunder
25 14 15 07 in Daily
25 14 15 23 in Daily
25 11 26 06 in Thunder
25 11 26 09 in Daily
25 04 24 02 in Daily
25 04 24 17 in Thunder
24 27 14 13 22 in Extra 24/11/2001 (quads with identical positions)
24 27 14 13 23 in Extra 24/01/2004
27 14 07 12 in Daily
27 14 07 13 in Daily
These are just handful that I selected and there are many, many more! The tree-routes starts from the third and the forth (centre ball) digits and it expands! Now you might think this is extraordinary piece of information then wait I tell you the rest!
If we drop the first digit and continue the search from the second digit then we can narrow down the tree-route, example from above
25 04 24 02 in Daily
25 04 24 17 in Thunder (searching for the set that starts with first digit and second
04 24;
04 24 22 17 in Daily
04 24 22 29 in Thunder
27 14 07 12 in Daily
27 14 07 13 in Daily
In this test I sorted the results from left to right but what if I sort the same results from low to high but from right to left (from the seventh ball) example;
27 14 07 04 in Daily (remember the first digit is actually the seventh ball and 6th.....)
25 04 42 in Lotto
25 05 26 12 in Daily
25 05 26 19 in Daily
23 21 13 12 in Daily
23 21 13 20 in Lotto
23 20 17 16 11 in Daily
23 20 17 16 12 in Daily
23 08 19 03 in Daily
23 08 19 10 in Lotto
As Gilles says these UNLIKELY possibilities are repeatedly happening but in different lotteries so I must be big fool to think these are randomly generated and a total idiot to not see the relations between these draws!
Is this why the lottery organisers do not produce the results in drawn order?
Patrick are you about? I suggest that all the software writers to stick around!
Moses
bloubul
Member
Hi Moses
Welcome back...
We have two lotto's, Lotto and LottoPlus and are drawn one after the other.
After 493 draws this is how ours looks like:
In both draws:
1# = 220
2# = 91
3# = 25
4# = 2
0# = 155
The 2nd number, 6th and 7th numbers drawn in our lotto, seems to appear more in the LottoPlus.
BlouBul
Welcome back...
We have two lotto's, Lotto and LottoPlus and are drawn one after the other.
After 493 draws this is how ours looks like:
In both draws:
1# = 220
2# = 91
3# = 25
4# = 2
0# = 155
The 2nd number, 6th and 7th numbers drawn in our lotto, seems to appear more in the LottoPlus.
BlouBul
bloubul said:Hi Moses
Welcome back...
We have two lotto's, Lotto and LottoPlus and are drawn one after the other.
After 493 draws this is how ours looks like:
In both draws:
1# = 220
2# = 91
3# = 25
4# = 2
0# = 155
The 2nd number, 6th and 7th numbers drawn in our lotto, seems to appear more in the LottoPlus.
BlouBul
Hello Bloubul and thanks
If you have your past results in drawn order and if you split them in to two halves
A B C 4 D E F and put each half in different file and then sort them from low to high! If you hold these two halves against each other then there is an obvious pattern like this
A B C 4 (four ball chain) and in other file you have F E D 4 chain, its like they are joined or sewed together from the middle or centre ball!
In most cases the chains are 4 to 3 or 3 to 4, you can well tell that the lottery numbers are produced from two different halves!
Moses
Paqel said:
Hello Paul
I am in a middle of developing the ultimate lottery solution and when is finished I will put it on this forum!
The loop is basically true and from this loop all lottery numbers are generated but unfortunately this loop cannot predict the future draw especially when the numbers are switched between the different lotteries so I had to come up with some universal solution to rectify this switching situation!
For the past several weeks I am testing my new theory and it works %100 therefore I sent a letter to UK Lottery Commission and forwarded my theory to him as well as my local MP and as yet I am waiting for reply from them!
I tell you this much if my new lottery solution goes public then I expect some lottery organisers go bust, we just have to wait and see!
However I found some really interesting points about the 21 combinations which I will tel you about it shortly
Moses
Hello Moses
So you didnt give up. Well I thought that even working master lottery software couldnt be solution for lottery numbers prediction , as they could always change the rules of game during game.
I don't know what did you discovered but in my opinion you should not give them chance to cover it up but use this against them. Unless you know what are you doing.
Regards
Paul
So you didnt give up. Well I thought that even working master lottery software couldnt be solution for lottery numbers prediction , as they could always change the rules of game during game.
I don't know what did you discovered but in my opinion you should not give them chance to cover it up but use this against them. Unless you know what are you doing.
Regards
Paul
Paqel said:
Hi Paul
When it is universal lottery solutions then it means no matter what they do my solution can beat their system, this is why they are taking so long to reply to me as I am sure they are digging hard to find the way out but they can't!
My solution had to cover these areas,
They switch numbers between different lotteries, find the solution for this
The lottery numbers never take match 6 or 7 to old results, solution for this
The lotto numbers are so unique that they don't match even in reverse order (applicable to drawn order not sorted)
The numbers are arriving 3 to 4 and next draw 4 to 3 like steps (in 649 lottery only)
They can still make rollover despite 70 millions of people or more play the lottery. According to stats the odds are 13,384,816 so by statistical rights there must be few jackpot winners but is a rollover so how do they do it, etc!
Based on above issues I created universal system and based on several tests I proved that my theory will work for every single draw guaranteeing the 5 plus win if not jackpot!
Moses
