Is It Real??

[FANTASY2REALITY]

Ok,so basically what I understand is that the g-tech group controls and conducts the lottery draws in ever nation that has them,right?Therefore,they probably have a branch in every nation which makes all those who witness and participate in the draws part of the g-tech corporation?Also,here in Canada your allowed to witness the drawings,so how could they fix it with regular people in attendance?Also,the actual drawing of the balls is recorded(not live)but still,how do you think they would be able to fix that?And your saying that if jackpots dont grow,people will no longer find it interesting.Well,wouldnt it be more interesting and enticing if there was a guaranteed winner every draw,making 5 or 6 people a week millionaires?I'm not saying your theory of global corruption in lottery draws is impossible,its just that its unlikely.And I will read your future thread,as well as the link to g-tech.Happy new year!

 

[danty_s]

happy new year, good luck to all

well, if I do win, I'll make sure I came back here and give out some money to all just to prove it is real; I'm waiting for such news or Prophet to come by be it myself or someone else

 

[Moses]

Ok,so basically what I understand is that the g-tech group controls and conducts the lottery draws in ever nation that has them,right?Therefore,they probably have a branch in every nation which makes all those who witness and participate in the draws part of the g-tech corporation?Also,here in Canada your allowed to witness the drawings,so how could they fix it with regular people in attendance?Also,the actual drawing of the balls is recorded(not live)but still,how do you think they would be able to fix that?And your saying that if jackpots dont grow,people will no longer find it interesting.Well,wouldnt it be more interesting and enticing if there was a guaranteed winner every draw,making 5 or 6 people a week millionaires?I'm not saying your theory of global corruption in lottery draws is impossible,its just that its unlikely.And I will read your future thread,as well as the link to g-tech.Happy new year!

I would agree with you there, I for one would be happy to take 2 mil and go and enjoy the rest of my life but unfortunately this won't be the case!
Time and time we have witnessed that as the size of jackpot grows then more and more tickets are sold. The key question is how do we find out the number of prize winners are true and they do exist if the commissioner refuse to answer questions!

Moses

 

[Moses]

Here are some results for some countries, the strangest result is the Canadian and Austrian where number 01 and 07 are both first balls and also Bonus or power balls!
You cannot get the results any closer than this, every draw has almost three numbers matching to an other draw!
Like I said before if you don’t believe that all draws for all countries are delivered from a single software then compare them now here is the prime example!

Australia------ 02,21,22,26,29,45,05,11
Austria-------- 01,16,22,29,34,37,07 ****
Belgium-------- 16,22,25,26,29,39,21
Canada--------- 07,13,16,24,35,42,01 ****
Euro----------- 20,21,22,31,45,07,09
France--------- 25,26,31,32,48,49,29
Germany-------- 02,12,23,26,28,42,01,05
Greece--------- 03,32,39,43,45,49
Ireland-------- 02,04,11,18,38,42,05
Spain---------- 03,20,22,25,27,45,49
Sweden--------- 04,16,22,26,27,30,34
UK------------- 04,13,23,28,30,32,11
Texas---------- 12,25,30,32,33,44

06,08,10,14,15,17,19,24,36,40,41,46,47

There are 13 countries above and 91 numbers produced and still 13 numbers are missing!!!!
Sometimes I get the feeling that I am playing the wrong lottery for the wrong country whereas my predictions appear in an other country rather than UK


Moses

 

[FANTASY2REALITY]

Ok,so basically what I understand is that the g-tech group controls and conducts the lottery draws in ever nation that has them,right?Therefore,they probably have a branch in every nation which makes all those who witness and participate in the draws part of the g-tech corporation?Also,here in Canada your allowed to witness the drawings,so how could they fix it with regular people in attendance?Also,the actual drawing of the balls is recorded(not live)but still,how do you think they would be able to fix that?

Well,before that could happen the questions above have to be answered.

 

[Moses]

Hello Fantasy

Fixing the ball with electronic devise is not the big issue and it is very practical in fact I was watching a program about magic snooker game that the balls where chipped and no matter where you hit the ball it was going to the selected pocket!
I and most professional players in that show were quite convinced that this unknown player can seriously play magic shots until at the end of the show they reviled that the balls were chipped!
The problem with lottery is not chipping the balls but is to employ a system which can jump to next line without being noticed!
I will explain it in other thread Master Lottery Software soon!

Moses

 

[ComboManiac]

Agree with Moses

I would agree that fixing the balls is easy after watching the movie Ocean's 13. It's true they play with numbers when jackpots go up to increase slumping sales.
But the good news is I believe someone has to win. And I have seen my friend
winning 4/6 lots of times. And once winning 5/10.

 

[Moses]

<<<<<But the good news is I believe someone has to win. And I have seen my friend
winning 4/6 lots of times. And once winning 5/10>>>>>>>>

How very true, the simple fact is if you don't play then you won't win but it would be good to know how is fixed so we can play their game their way

I have over 8000 times wins including 14 times 5 numbers, I am UK record holder. My biggest win was over 3 thousands so if I can do it then you can do it too.

 

[ComboManiac]

Maybe we Can

How very true, the simple fact is if you don't play then you won't win but it would be good to know how is fixed so we can play their game their way

I have over 8000 times wins including 14 times 5 numbers, I am UK record holder. My biggest win was over 3 thousands so if I can do it then you can do it too.[/QUOTE]


It's a question of how much money you spend EVERY DRAW.
For now I can't spend that much. However in the very near future will play more numbers thus winning more hopefully.

As for predicting how it's fixed, it's impossible but at least we can try to win even small prizes quite often!

 

[Moses]

You have to learn the system and once you have done that then you'll know that your predictions can be avoided for 3/4/5 draws!
You have to invest money in lottery like a small business and keep your wins to top up your budget!
Once in 5/6 months and only when my lottery budget is full then I cash up my tickets!
Let me tell you this too, in some cases I have to go to several places to cash in my tickets as one retailer won't have enough cash to give me it and sometimes I even sell them to friends to give them a small profit!

 

[Moses]

Here are some fresh examples of last night’s draw

Australia------ 05,10,13,17,18,21,37
Austria-------- 06,14,24,34,40,41,32 ******************* 14,24,34,41
Belgium------- 03,11,15,18,26,29,13
Brazil---------- 07,17,19,34,36,39 ******** 07,34,39
Canada-------- 04,06,07,16,32,45,43
Euro----------- 20,21,22,31,45,07,09 ************* 20,22,45
Finland-------- 09,23,24,27,31,38,39 >>>>>>>>>>>24,31,38,39
France--------- 03,06,08,19,22,37,18
Germany------ No result as yet
Greece-------- 07,18,24,27,34,39 ******** 07,34,39
Ireland-------- 10,21,25,33,38,41,14 ******************* 14,25,33,41
Spain---------- 03,20,22,25,27,45,49 ************* 20,22,45
Sweden-------- 12,15,17,25,31,32,35 ** 15,25,31
UK------------- 13,15,25,31,37,39,41 ** 15,25,31>>>25,31,37,39

I think my point is proven, the lotto numbers for all countries are delivered from the same software and possibly they get exchanged too!

Moses

 

[GillesD]

Similar numbers

I think my point is proven, the lotto numbers for all countries are delivered from the same software and possibly they get exchanged too!
Moses

Although seeing a pattern may take a keen eye or a predisposed mind, it could always be possible if all numbers had been computer-generated (through a similar software). But the numbers in the Canadian Lotte 6/49 (and I think in the UK also) are generated from 49 balls bouncing around for some time.

It would take a pretty good software and some awfully good mechanical controls to have balls to come out as wanted in different lotteries when each set of balls is unique (for weight, roundness and resiliency), is placed in different machines (each with different characteristics) and is mixed for different periods of time under various conditions (temperature, atmospheric pressure, etc.).

Hell, if you can get that precise, I think predicting tomorrow's weather would an easy thing but that's certainly not the case around here. Continue believing in such a world-wide conspiracy if you want. But remember ONE thing, loteries are there for one and only one purpose: make money. It is basically a disguised tax where, whatever numbers come out, the goverment will take a certain known percentage (often around 45%) of the amount bet. Why lose time and money trying to arrange the lottery worldwide when you have a magical goose laying out so many golden eggs on twice-a-week basis (at least here in Canada).

 

[Moses]

Hi Gilles D

Good to see you here

Some technical questions for you
Why balls are so heavy that need shaft to turn and mix them up?
Why don't they X-RAY the balls before LIVE draw?
Why machines are cost so much, UK machines cost 2.4 million each!?
Frank in other forum provided me with 3000 random numbers but stat from them DID NOT match to lotto stats, why is that?
How can they guarantee a minimum prize of £10 whilst it is very possible that the number of £10 winners can exceed from the total sales?
How can Camelot take their share of profit in advance what makes them so sure that they win the game?
After all this is gambling and from time to time the house lose too, isn't it?
If I give you £10,000 and go to casino then can you tell me how much you'll come back with and how much you'll give me back and how many £10 you'll give to the members of this forum?
Can you do all these before you even start gambling?
If Lottery was not fixed then it wouldn't have been a golden goose!

Regards,Moses

 

[GillesD]

Some answers to Moses

Good to see you here

Well, maybe it should be the other way around. I have been around here much, much longer than you. But you do not change and you are one of the most sceptical person in the matter of integrity of lotteries.

And I will try to answer some of your questions from time to time. All answers will be based on the Canadian Lotto 6/49. I will also try to provide you with some references when possible but, knowing you, you will probably not believe anything put out by a lottery corporation.

OK, let's start with 2 of your questions

1 - "If Lottery was not fixed then it wouldn't have been a golden goose!"

Look at the prize structure on any web site for the Canadian Lotto 6/49 and it says that 47% of the amount bet by players is returned to players under a given prize structure. To me that means that 53% is kept by the provincial governments. Well, fixed or not fixed, I would call this a golden goose or even a platinium gosse or whatever. If I was able to find 1,000 persons willing to give me $100 per week and I would give them back $47 each week plus $1,000,000 it it rained for 180 consecutive days, I would take the risk. Wouldn't you? And to improve my chances, I would state that a day where it snows is not to be considered a rainy day. And since I live in Quebec, ...

2 - "How can they guarantee a minimum prize of £10 whilst it is very possible that the number of £10 winners can exceed from the total sales?

Well it is true that for a given draw, it could be that the amount given to players having 3 winning numbers (a $10 win) and 2 winning numbers + the bonus number (a $5 win) could exceed the 47% of the amount bet. But remember, lotteries are all about statistics and you can be sure that the lotery corporations have some pretty sharp statisticians who have calculated the odds of this happening. And they are willing to take the risk. If it happens, then they will pay all players but they have a pretty good record up to now (since 1982 in Canada). This means they can loose a few millions on a given draw without being bothered, as long it does not happen often.

To me, it is the same as being in the insurance business. Why do an insurance company be willing to insure you for your life? To me, it appears to be a losing proposition, since the odds of you NOT DYING are pretty low and they will have to pay out to your beneficiaries. And even if you die the day after you took the insurance (hopefully by accident since it often doubles the amount paid), they will pay knowing that on the long run, they are making money with your yearly payments or lump sum.

Also if this ever happens, there will also be quite a few very, very unhappy players. All players with 4, 5, 5+B and 6 winning numbers should also receive $10. (the 3 winning numbers in their combination) but not more, since the prize structure indicates that the amount returned to 3 and 2+B winning numbers is taken out of the 47% of the amount bet and then, the remaining money is distributed to the other winners. Do you ear the screamings if this should happen?

To be continued at a later date ...

 

[Moses]

Hi Gilles D

I have noticed that you are a member in most lottery forums for the long time, yes you are right and you should be welcoming me here!

Once again you are providing bed time story rather than providing mathematical facts or formula as I am fed up listening to lottery executives giving me their reassurances that lotto is random but by words rather than facts or formula!

You see if it was not because of math today we could not communicate over the net this easily, our day to day lives depend on math and physics but when it comes to lottery then the organisers have unknown mathematical formula which denies what math rules like you saying! it is true BUT it cannot happen because........ long story below!
Just provide mathematical examples please that how they do it and let everyone see it of course if you know it though!
As we both know guaranteeing a minimum prize of £10 is half the battle and remember that they must keep the other prize category above minimum prize! What formula they use to give them the knowledge to workout all prize categories!

<<<<<<Well it is true that for a given draw, it could be that the amount given to players having 3 winning numbers (a $10 win) and 2 winning numbers + the bonus number (a $5 win) could exceed the 47% of the amount bet. But remember, lotteries are all about statistics and you can be sure that the lottery corporations have some pretty sharp statisticians who have calculated the odds of this happening. And they are willing to take the risk. If it happens, then they will pay all players but they have a pretty good record up to now (since 1982 in Canada). This means they can loose a few millions on a given draw without being bothered, as long it does not happen often.>>>Regards,

Moses

 

[broke_gambler]

Hello everyone.

GTech is only one of several companies in the business. There are two competitors and some countries have their own solutions.

Manipulating a draw would not make sense at all, just like it would not make sense for a bank to simply set accounts of their customers to zero, even though it could technically be done. It would destroy their business.

 

[Moses]

Hello everyone.

GTech is only one of several companies in the business. There are two competitors and some countries have their own solutions.

Manipulating a draw would not make sense at all, just like it would not make sense for a bank to simply set accounts of their customers to zero, even though it could technically be done. It would destroy their business.

Hello broke_gambler

Is the best you could come up with?
Why don't you try to convince me with some good mathematical examples or answers!

Questions are already asked from Gilles D and still waiting for some answers!

Thanks

Moses
P. S. have you ever heard of Northen Rock Bank or Enron scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/Enron_scandal

 

[GillesD]

Some possible answers

Questions are already asked from Gilles D and still waiting for some answers!

I will try giving you some possible answers, but knowing you, you will most likely reject them as not satisfactory or worse withour even offering any explanations. You want some answers that only people working for some lottery organizations could provide but since I am not working for one nor am I a experimented statistician.

You said: "Why balls are so heavy that need shaft to turn and mix them up?" and "Why don't they X-RAY the balls before LIVE draw?".

How do you know balls are so heavy? Or again do you assume that? I would say the sphere has some bars in them to ensure even more unpredictable bounces for the time it turns. In Canada at least, the set of balls (more likely more than one) are tested for weight, roundness and resiliency to make sure they are nearly identical (but this is not as two things are never perfectly equal).

I know this wil not satisfy you but consider your own posting a few weeks back where you said after posting some numbers from different lotteries: "I think my point is proven, the lotto numbers for all countries are delivered from the same software ..." Well, in your demonstration (which I would call a listing), I do not find any statistically solid proof. Be more specific; at least at the level you are asking from other people that may dare to contradict or question you.

And as far as the prize breakdown for Canadian Lotto 6/49, it is:
WINNING SELECTION POOL PRIZE
- 6/6: 80.5% of the Pools Fund
- 5/6+: 5.75% of the Pools Fund
- 5/6: 4.75% of the Pools Fund
- 4/6: 9% of the Pools Fund
- 3/6: Fixed $10
- 2/6+: Fixed $5

The Pools Fund is basically 47% of the amount for tickets bought by players (plus some amounts from combination not reclaimed). All this information ia available on British Columbia Lottery Commission (www.bclc.com).

And as far as why they choose these ratios for returns, well I assume they calculated they would make a lot of money while providing incentives for players to buy tickets.

 

[broke_gambler]

Is the best you could come up with?
Why don't you try to convince me with some good mathematical examples or answers!

Huh? I'm not trying to convince anyone and it has nothing to do with mathematics. Only with business and reputation.
It's simple logic that lotteries need to have the trust of their customers or they will lose their market.

The odds of Lotto are bad enough that good profits are provided without any kind of manipulation anyway.

 

[Moses]

I will try giving you some possible answers, but knowing you, you will most likely reject them as not satisfactory or worse withour even offering any explanations. You want some answers that only people working for some lottery organizations could provide but since I am not working for one nor am I a experimented statistician.

You said: "Why balls are so heavy that need shaft to turn and mix them up?" and "Why don't they X-RAY the balls before LIVE draw?".

How do you know balls are so heavy? Or again do you assume that? I would say the sphere has some bars in them to ensure even more unpredictable bounces for the time it turns. In Canada at least, the set of balls (more likely more than one) are tested for weight, roundness and resiliency to make sure they are nearly identical (but this is not as two things are never perfectly equal).

I know this wil not satisfy you but consider your own posting a few weeks back where you said after posting some numbers from different lotteries: "I think my point is proven, the lotto numbers for all countries are delivered from the same software ..." Well, in your demonstration (which I would call a listing), I do not find any statistically solid proof. Be more specific; at least at the level you are asking from other people that may dare to contradict or question you.

And as far as the prize breakdown for Canadian Lotto 6/49, it is:
WINNING SELECTION POOL PRIZE
- 6/6: 80.5% of the Pools Fund
- 5/6+: 5.75% of the Pools Fund
- 5/6: 4.75% of the Pools Fund
- 4/6: 9% of the Pools Fund
- 3/6: Fixed $10
- 2/6+: Fixed $5

The Pools Fund is basically 47% of the amount for tickets bought by players (plus some amounts from combination not reclaimed). All this information ia available on British Columbia Lottery Commission (www.bclc.com).

And as far as why they choose these ratios for returns, well I assume they calculated they would make a lot of money while providing incentives for players to buy tickets.

Enlightenment Gilles D

This is getting really embarrassing situation! If I am accusing the lottery is because my questions are remained unanswered therefore I ask and ask again until I find the truth but what is your reason to be the organiser’s apologist and showing your full support for them whole heartedly and yet still no proper answers but trying to bluff your way out of embarrassing situation by keep suggesting that “nothing satisfy me”! Well, to be truthful you never delivered concrete and mathematical theory to be satisfactory did you?

You suggested that I assume the balls are heavy, no I don't assume the balls are heavy, I know they are heavy and I usually use my logic and common sense to work some facts before I speak!
If the balls were not heavy they would have naturally bounced back inside the glass hob BUT they don't! When the shaft starts to rotate you can see is trying to pull some weights and after few rotations the shaft speeds up but if they were ping pong balls they would have bouncing up and down with blowing air and no shaft was needed either!

And as far as the prize breakdown for Canadian Lotto 6/49, it is:
WINNING SELECTION POOL PRIZE
- 6/6: 80.5% of the Pools Fund
- 5/6+: 5.75% of the Pools Fund
- 5/6: 4.75% of the Pools Fund
- 4/6: 9% of the Pools Fund
- 3/6: Fixed $10
- 2/6+: Fixed $5

The Canadian prizes breakdown above is very similar to UK dividend but I like to see the mathematics behind that dividend or perhaps you can provide the formulas for the example below,

Let’s assume that the total sales for this Wed draw is $100,000,000
The prize pool fund you said is 47% which means the organiser will take their share of $53,000,000 in advance and they’ll pay out $47,000,000, this theory is practical if there was no minimum prize guarantees but there is fixed minimum prize in a chart above which means there must be an advanced knowledge of the prize winners or a magic formula to find how many prize winners there are in total!

Q-1 From the total sales of 100 million tickets or lines, is it possible that 6 million or more people match 3 numbers from their 6 which is $60,000,000?
Q, if true this prize category is higher than total prize pool so how did the organisers estimated it in advance and took their share before the draw takes place, what knowledge they used to work this out! (in Anselm’s challenge you used to produce 16 numbers predictions for each draw and you could only match 2/3/4 numbers correct from your 16 , your 16 numbers were always different from draw to draw so this would be exactly the same with most folks that they change their numbers, so without advance knowledge of the number what makes it possible to work the wheels of 3/4/5/5+ out)
Q-2 Is it possible that the number of people matching 4 numbers to be higher than the people matched 3 as an example 7 million so 9% of $47,000,000 is $4,200,000 / 7,000,000 = 0.6 Cents, so what is the magic formula to keep this prize category above fixed $10 always?
Q-3 this situation can also happen for other prize category so why it is never happened nowhere in the world?
Q-4 What will you do or what course action will you take if you match 5 numbers and receive $6 and your friend matching 3 numbers and receives $200,000 whereas this scenario is the correct version of the prize dividend?

Do not reject the possibilities above as it is true so could you please ask some of organiser’s sharp statisticians for this magic formula!

Regards,

Moses
P. S. I know you for nearly 8 years and I do believe that you are very intelligent and calculated person but I am somewhat confused with your posts!