How about a colored lottery?
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not me! From here on in we should call the best bets...:Speculative choices" now that should be politically correct
1. When placed inside the ball machine for a drawing, the order of the numbered balls is as natural as the coloured balls. In other words, no natural order exists in either group, as they are tumbling about in there.
2. The value of the numbered balls, once drawn, is the same as the value of the coloured balls. The value is only used as an identifier at that point, not as a quantifier.
The rest of your post is spent calling people stupid for thinking that 1-2-3-4-5-6 is less probable than the combination 1-12-28-35-41-19, whereas if you had followed any of the older discussions here, you would have plainly seen that exactly the opposite had been asserted by most - that each individual combination of six numbers had an equally probable chance of being drawn.
Then, out of nowhere you stated the following...
Can you please point me to a post where someone stated: "the average of ball #10 and ball #20 is ball #15". Thank you.
Umm... so you want us to use... numbered labels then? How is that different from what is being used now?
Anyhow, as I've stated to Powerball in our last little post-off, you will always see some kind of bias and it is that bias that we quantify. If you switch to colours, you will, after a few hundred or thousand draws, also notice a bias. It may be that the balls in the blue spectrum of colours seem to be drawn more often, it may be the pinks, it may be the greens. The pinks may favour being drawn with the yellows, or in a group with yellows and blues most times, the white ball may never be drawn with the black ball. One thing is sure - there may not be a definite pattern, but there will be a certain bias.
I am not "prejudiced" towards numbers or colours, I am biased. Any which way you look at it, there will be a bias. There is a bias in monster storms happening every so many years apart, there is a bias in black panthers being born every so many litters, there is a bias in you picking/liking certain people over others at first glance, there is a bias in everything in the universe. There is a bias in balls, whether they are numbered, or coloured, or both. Regardless of what "labels" you want to apply to the lotto balls, Rob50, there is a bias in how we prefer to follow the history of those balls. The bias is towards numbers.
Just to enphasize on hot4's and shirazbai's comments.
First everything that we humans can perceive can be reduced to numbers, it can be done easily or with difficulty, but it is done! Sounds and colors have frequencies/wavelenghts. Even human can be described as numbers according to DNA!
And as shirazbai's so well points, usually there are bias and trends on every random events.... now can you predict them exactly? Maybe yes, maybe not. But you can usually predict them with a good level accuracy!
How many km will I do with 10€/$ of gas; will it rain tonight/tommorow; where will that airplane be in 10minutes; what will be temperature of water column at 30meters; etc....
And finnally, Rob and iago and do appreciate your comments as they are informative and refreshing... but just don't take us for fairy tale bellievers... we do know the problem that we are up against!
You would be surprised with the background, knowledge and even professions of some of us!
In the end I just hope that this forum doesn't get tranformed into some form of RGL where you can even ask a question, propouse an idea without being bashed, ridicularized and sent out by the tiny back door!! For me every idea and oppinion has merit as long as you expose and discuss it with respect for every one!
(PS: forgive me for my all typos and bad english, it seems that since I started using italian my english fluency got dramatically bad....)
First everything that we humans can perceive can be reduced to numbers, it can be done easily or with difficulty, but it is done! Sounds and colors have frequencies/wavelenghts. Even human can be described as numbers according to DNA!
And as shirazbai's so well points, usually there are bias and trends on every random events.... now can you predict them exactly? Maybe yes, maybe not. But you can usually predict them with a good level accuracy!
How many km will I do with 10€/$ of gas; will it rain tonight/tommorow; where will that airplane be in 10minutes; what will be temperature of water column at 30meters; etc....
And finnally, Rob and iago and do appreciate your comments as they are informative and refreshing... but just don't take us for fairy tale bellievers... we do know the problem that we are up against!
You would be surprised with the background, knowledge and even professions of some of us!
In the end I just hope that this forum doesn't get tranformed into some form of RGL where you can even ask a question, propouse an idea without being bashed, ridicularized and sent out by the tiny back door!! For me every idea and oppinion has merit as long as you expose and discuss it with respect for every one!
(PS: forgive me for my all typos and bad english, it seems that since I started using italian my english fluency got dramatically bad....)
Hello everybody,
I am really amazed about some of reactions to this simple and innocent idea. I will give some comments back. Sorry if I will miss something, for the peace of mind of everybody, it won't be intentional:
1. Thornc, I am certain that you and the others here are excellent professionals, therefore I am not surprised at all with your background, knowledge etc. I take them for granted.
2. Shirazbai, if sums are used in filtering lottery lines, are the numbers used only as identifiers? As a matter of fact that's what I am trying to point out that numbers in the lottery are nothing but labels (or identifiers). Calm down, nobody is pointing you as
one of those who think the ball#15 is the average of the ball#10 and the ball#20. Or, should I think that you don't feel sure about it?
3. Shirazbai, again you. You quote me, in bold fonts, and one line below change what I have said:
Me: Just make sure you have 49 labels
You:Umm... so you want us to use... numbered labels then? How is that different from what is being used now?
Where did you find the word numbered in my quote?
4. hot, that's what I meant by saying that the order in colors is not so obvious (as you say you need a computer, or other ways).
5. Beaker, I hope, for your good, that your skills in guessing numbers are better than those you use to guess professions. You would be kindly surprised to learn that you did not guess mine! Furthermore, I did not point you as one having prejudices
Good luck in tonight Super7! I have a free ticket!
I am really amazed about some of reactions to this simple and innocent idea. I will give some comments back. Sorry if I will miss something, for the peace of mind of everybody, it won't be intentional:
1. Thornc, I am certain that you and the others here are excellent professionals, therefore I am not surprised at all with your background, knowledge etc. I take them for granted.
2. Shirazbai, if sums are used in filtering lottery lines, are the numbers used only as identifiers? As a matter of fact that's what I am trying to point out that numbers in the lottery are nothing but labels (or identifiers). Calm down, nobody is pointing you as
one of those who think the ball#15 is the average of the ball#10 and the ball#20. Or, should I think that you don't feel sure about it?
3. Shirazbai, again you. You quote me, in bold fonts, and one line below change what I have said:
Me: Just make sure you have 49 labels
You:Umm... so you want us to use... numbered labels then? How is that different from what is being used now?
Where did you find the word numbered in my quote?
4. hot, that's what I meant by saying that the order in colors is not so obvious (as you say you need a computer, or other ways).
5. Beaker, I hope, for your good, that your skills in guessing numbers are better than those you use to guess professions. You would be kindly surprised to learn that you did not guess mine! Furthermore, I did not point you as one having prejudices
Good luck in tonight Super7! I have a free ticket!
i've done some little research on colors of the balls, their relationship with the energy frequencies of these colors, ie shorter wavelength colors are more energetic than longer waves etc, and tried to apply it to both lotto 649 and keno with some limited success, but i'm still testing it. I got the color info from the lotto corp and then deduct the same colored numbers on each ball to see which balls had the most of what color.
so would a more energetic ball bounce harder with the other balls and the machine and thus not drop through the hole as easily as the less energetic ones , vice versa etc etc
for ontario 49 [which are the same colors as lotto 649]=
Balls-1-to-10-Blue = 4 th
Balls-11-to-20-Orange = 2nd
Balls-21-to-30-Purple = 5th = PURPLE=SHORTEST WAVELENGTH=HIGHEST FREQUENCY-HIGHEST ENERGY
Balls-31-to-40-Green = 3rd
Balls-41-to-49-Red = 1st = RED=LONGEST WAVELENGTH=LOWEST FREQUENCY-LOWEST ENERGY
most energetic balls [top 24]
40-34-33-36-32-30-24-23-26-22-4-3-6-2-9-39-29-1-20-14-13-44-43-46
has done much better than
least energetic balls [top 24]
48-45-47-41-49-42-18-15-17-11-19-12-38-35-37-31-39-32-10-8-5-28-25-27
i've also broken it down with the balls with the least amount of any color, ie balls with the most numbers on them and have found thru testing that
balls with least paint or lightest [top 24]
18-15-17-11-19-28-25-27-38-35-37-21-12-48-45-29-47-31-16-13-39-10-41-14
has done much better than
balls with most paint or heaviest [top 24]
4-3-6-2-9-1-44-40-7-5-8-34-43-46-30-33-36-24-42-20-23-26-32-22
so would a more energetic ball bounce harder with the other balls and the machine and thus not drop through the hole as easily as the less energetic ones , vice versa etc etc
for ontario 49 [which are the same colors as lotto 649]=
Balls-1-to-10-Blue = 4 th
Balls-11-to-20-Orange = 2nd
Balls-21-to-30-Purple = 5th = PURPLE=SHORTEST WAVELENGTH=HIGHEST FREQUENCY-HIGHEST ENERGY
Balls-31-to-40-Green = 3rd
Balls-41-to-49-Red = 1st = RED=LONGEST WAVELENGTH=LOWEST FREQUENCY-LOWEST ENERGY
most energetic balls [top 24]
40-34-33-36-32-30-24-23-26-22-4-3-6-2-9-39-29-1-20-14-13-44-43-46
has done much better than
least energetic balls [top 24]
48-45-47-41-49-42-18-15-17-11-19-12-38-35-37-31-39-32-10-8-5-28-25-27
i've also broken it down with the balls with the least amount of any color, ie balls with the most numbers on them and have found thru testing that
balls with least paint or lightest [top 24]
18-15-17-11-19-28-25-27-38-35-37-21-12-48-45-29-47-31-16-13-39-10-41-14
has done much better than
balls with most paint or heaviest [top 24]
4-3-6-2-9-1-44-40-7-5-8-34-43-46-30-33-36-24-42-20-23-26-32-22
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ChiefWiggum
Member
Charles2
I like your "weight of paint" idea.
Could you list 1-49 in order of weight ?
I don't have a pixel editor, so I was going to use an LED display.
(but this is crude)
Thank you, in advance
I like your "weight of paint" idea.
Could you list 1-49 in order of weight ?
I don't have a pixel editor, so I was going to use an LED display.
(but this is crude)
Thank you, in advance
balls with least paint or lightest starting at left going to right which are balls with most paint or heaviest =
ps. Gilles, right, i forgot 48-49.
I don't know for sure if the balls with the least "core" paint are lightest or not, my primary concern was to see which balls had the least amount of core paint, perhaps "lighest" is the wrong wording.
as for the how i calculated, it's pretty simple although i don't know how accurate it is because i did it on a whim, but hey it's still fun to check it out right. I basically printed the numbers 0 to 9 in word using the basic font in pretty big font. Then i measured all the actual 0 to 9 numbers with a piece of string on the printed paper [yes don't laugh heheheh] and then laid the string out and measured it for each number in mm. So yes the 23 and 32 would be the same as well as being the same for some others. The 1 is pretty close to the bottom, mabye i measured the string wrong or the font needs to be changed?
Gilles if you can improve it all the better and let's discuss it, any help we can get we can use no?
15-18-17-11-19-25-28-27-35-38-12-21-37-29-45-48-47-13-16-31-10-39-14-41-49-22-23-26-32-20-24-42-33-36-30-5-8-34-43-46-7-40-44-1-9-2-3-6-4
so the following are the same in their respective groups=
15-18
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25-28
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35-38
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12-21-37
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29-45-48
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13-16-31
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10-39
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14-41
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23-26-32
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24-42
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33-36
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5-8-34-43-46 [i think this group may be wrong i haven't rechecked the string lately]
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3-6
ps. Gilles, right, i forgot 48-49.
I don't know for sure if the balls with the least "core" paint are lightest or not, my primary concern was to see which balls had the least amount of core paint, perhaps "lighest" is the wrong wording.
as for the how i calculated, it's pretty simple although i don't know how accurate it is because i did it on a whim, but hey it's still fun to check it out right. I basically printed the numbers 0 to 9 in word using the basic font in pretty big font. Then i measured all the actual 0 to 9 numbers with a piece of string on the printed paper [yes don't laugh heheheh] and then laid the string out and measured it for each number in mm. So yes the 23 and 32 would be the same as well as being the same for some others. The 1 is pretty close to the bottom, mabye i measured the string wrong or the font needs to be changed?
Gilles if you can improve it all the better and let's discuss it, any help we can get we can use no?
15-18-17-11-19-25-28-27-35-38-12-21-37-29-45-48-47-13-16-31-10-39-14-41-49-22-23-26-32-20-24-42-33-36-30-5-8-34-43-46-7-40-44-1-9-2-3-6-4
so the following are the same in their respective groups=
15-18
-------
25-28
-------
35-38
-------
12-21-37
-------
29-45-48
-------
13-16-31
-------
10-39
-------
14-41
-------
23-26-32
-------
24-42
-------
33-36
-------
5-8-34-43-46 [i think this group may be wrong i haven't rechecked the string lately]
-------
3-6
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Paint on balls
charles2
A few questions:
A - You talk about balls for Canadian Lotto 649 or Ontario 49, yet oddly enough I could not find balls with numbers 48 or 49 in your list (last post).
B - Also I do not understand your method for calculating the weight of the balls based on paint amount. Just at first glance, I would assume that the #1 ball would be at one end (at least if made of only one number). Also I would assume that balls #13-31 would be together as well as balls #23-32 since they are made of the same two numbers.
C - How are the balls made? Two possibilities: 1 - An homogeneous core (black or whatever color), then a coat for each decade, then a coat for the number itself or 2 - An homogeneous core the color of the decade, then a coat for the number itself.
D - Finally, what would you assume is the average weight of the painted numbers compared to the overall weight of a ball? And how different (in percentage) is the weight of #15 compared to #4?
E - Is there ony one set of balls? I doubt this and how different are they?
And do not forget that all 49 balls can not have an identical weight. Maybe nearly identical but certainly not perfectly identical (to the second or third decimals).
Also other factors to consider:
- Are all balls perfectly spherical? (to a certain degree most likely)
- Do they all have the same resilience (since they bounce around quite a bit before coming down)?
charles2
A few questions:
A - You talk about balls for Canadian Lotto 649 or Ontario 49, yet oddly enough I could not find balls with numbers 48 or 49 in your list (last post).
B - Also I do not understand your method for calculating the weight of the balls based on paint amount. Just at first glance, I would assume that the #1 ball would be at one end (at least if made of only one number). Also I would assume that balls #13-31 would be together as well as balls #23-32 since they are made of the same two numbers.
C - How are the balls made? Two possibilities: 1 - An homogeneous core (black or whatever color), then a coat for each decade, then a coat for the number itself or 2 - An homogeneous core the color of the decade, then a coat for the number itself.
D - Finally, what would you assume is the average weight of the painted numbers compared to the overall weight of a ball? And how different (in percentage) is the weight of #15 compared to #4?
E - Is there ony one set of balls? I doubt this and how different are they?
And do not forget that all 49 balls can not have an identical weight. Maybe nearly identical but certainly not perfectly identical (to the second or third decimals).
Also other factors to consider:
- Are all balls perfectly spherical? (to a certain degree most likely)
- Do they all have the same resilience (since they bounce around quite a bit before coming down)?
CMF
Member
The Numbers are just identifiers.
My very first post on the web was about this in December, 2003.
I had stumbled across this Forum where the members were given to predicting the specific next draw in the Canadian 6/49 Lottery. I thought the audacity or ignorance in doing that was preposterous enough but then they commiserated with each other about being so close with the numbers as if Numerical Order was the only right and proper one.
I pointed out there are billions of equally valid orders and the objects could be named after animal species.
I'm tempted to draw an analogy with religion; people believe what they want to believe even when their common sense tells them that can't be so.
So when I pass away (hopefully a long time from now) and go to heaven (omnidirectionally, of course) we will still be discussing the merits of Covers, Wheels, Randomness etc as we hold the nice bunch of grapes above our mouth and sip on the nice red wine.
Regards
Colin
My very first post on the web was about this in December, 2003.
I had stumbled across this Forum where the members were given to predicting the specific next draw in the Canadian 6/49 Lottery. I thought the audacity or ignorance in doing that was preposterous enough but then they commiserated with each other about being so close with the numbers as if Numerical Order was the only right and proper one.
I pointed out there are billions of equally valid orders and the objects could be named after animal species.
I'm tempted to draw an analogy with religion; people believe what they want to believe even when their common sense tells them that can't be so.
So when I pass away (hopefully a long time from now) and go to heaven (omnidirectionally, of course) we will still be discussing the merits of Covers, Wheels, Randomness etc as we hold the nice bunch of grapes above our mouth and sip on the nice red wine.
Regards
Colin
Re: The Numbers are just identifiers.
Colin, being avoidant of doing any real work today I am perusing the lottery forum. I did what your sig suggested to find out more about you and it proclaims that you are a "Lotto Systems Analyst". Are you being "tongue-in-cheek", as it were, Or are you posting these messages to be provocative for a reason? Let me speculate: You are a mathie or another type of logical academic who has been piqued.
The lottery is not coloured balls, or black and white for that matter. It is shades of grey.
CMF said:
Colin, being avoidant of doing any real work today I am perusing the lottery forum. I did what your sig suggested to find out more about you and it proclaims that you are a "Lotto Systems Analyst". Are you being "tongue-in-cheek", as it were, Or are you posting these messages to be provocative for a reason? Let me speculate: You are a mathie or another type of logical academic who has been piqued.
The lottery is not coloured balls, or black and white for that matter. It is shades of grey.
CMF
Member
Artists bonding?
Mirage
In seeking the Truth one may well challenge what is currently accepted; this may be true or it may not. If it is true then it can withstand rigorous testing. In Lotto some plain untruths have become accepted and they need to be exposed. (A multicoloured Butterfly alighted on my shoulder and whispered to me that this was to be my new calling in Life; was it from the Allmighty?)
I'm amused sometimes by what people imagine me to be. Clues are easily available on Whois and I'm aware of being checked out by a few people. The simple answer is I have been in my own small Photocopier business for some 30 years which I have now wound back to nearly nothing. When you fix a Photocopier you always test it - testing to see whether something works is part of my way of life. So you see I'm quite at home with a screwdriver in my hand, cleaning the toilets or doing the books up to Balance Sheet level.
I'm not pretentious so if I say I'm a Lotto Systems Analyst then there is expertise to back that up. Now, Mirage if you had a look at my site you would have seen an analysis of the Canadian 6/49 Lotto based on occurrence. Let's see you do something like that. Explain to me after having read everything on my site and comprehending what I do and the tools I have and the results that I've published where your expertise and published articles qualify you to be my peer or judge?
Let me tell you something you may not know. For those of us that know how to program we can easily pick up on the level of another programmer by looking at his code or if that is not available then one can look at the end result and know what has gone into producing that.
Colin Fairbrother
ps I don't think I've ever been piqued. Does it hurt? I can withstand a lot of pain and have a thick skin but the thing that really gets to me is ungratefullness. Know anything about that? Anyway, as one artist to another let the creative juices flow.
Also, as an Aussie I admire your mini attack method of introducing oneself to another. I had a bit of a look at what you've posted and may I complement you on your good paragraphing - it used to really annoy me on that fairyland forum site.
Anyway, I look forward to your next shot.
Mirage
In seeking the Truth one may well challenge what is currently accepted; this may be true or it may not. If it is true then it can withstand rigorous testing. In Lotto some plain untruths have become accepted and they need to be exposed. (A multicoloured Butterfly alighted on my shoulder and whispered to me that this was to be my new calling in Life; was it from the Allmighty?)
I'm amused sometimes by what people imagine me to be. Clues are easily available on Whois and I'm aware of being checked out by a few people. The simple answer is I have been in my own small Photocopier business for some 30 years which I have now wound back to nearly nothing. When you fix a Photocopier you always test it - testing to see whether something works is part of my way of life. So you see I'm quite at home with a screwdriver in my hand, cleaning the toilets or doing the books up to Balance Sheet level.
I'm not pretentious so if I say I'm a Lotto Systems Analyst then there is expertise to back that up. Now, Mirage if you had a look at my site you would have seen an analysis of the Canadian 6/49 Lotto based on occurrence. Let's see you do something like that. Explain to me after having read everything on my site and comprehending what I do and the tools I have and the results that I've published where your expertise and published articles qualify you to be my peer or judge?
Let me tell you something you may not know. For those of us that know how to program we can easily pick up on the level of another programmer by looking at his code or if that is not available then one can look at the end result and know what has gone into producing that.
Colin Fairbrother
ps I don't think I've ever been piqued. Does it hurt? I can withstand a lot of pain and have a thick skin but the thing that really gets to me is ungratefullness. Know anything about that? Anyway, as one artist to another let the creative juices flow.
Also, as an Aussie I admire your mini attack method of introducing oneself to another. I had a bit of a look at what you've posted and may I complement you on your good paragraphing - it used to really annoy me on that fairyland forum site.
Anyway, I look forward to your next shot.
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