Festive Season Questions?

[Alexafjb]

Hello, Everyone
Thought that I would pop back in and do a refresher, sincethe holiday season is upon us! ( Oh Joy, Oh Bliss). Which for some reason meansthe Jackpots will be larger! Lottery commissions all over the world will begetting there special balls out for this festive season! All humor aside, overthe years of drawings, “has anyone ever plotted the relationships, between,time of year, & the size of jackpots to be won”? Or for that matter “Whattime of year has the most Jackpots won in”? Also, any group of recurring numbers occurring more often, at a certaintime of year? I guess a time frame would need to be quantified, so for simplicitylets break the year into 4 quarters. These questions are just an exercise of curiosity!
Alex.

 

[Icewynd]

Hi Alex,

Nice to hear from you again!

I don't know of any data that would allow one to do the comparisons you asked. I wonder if the Lottery Commissions keep a data base over the years of the size of the jackpot and whether there was a winner for each draw?

Might be worth an e-mail to find out...

Good luck!

 

[Alexafjb]

Greetings, Icewynd

Ya, I kind of thought, that if you did not already include the jackpot size in any spreadsheet for the histories, of any particular game,then the first two questions would be moot! Thought, though that given everyone’s thirst for some advantage, that someone out there would have kept that type of data? Even if it did not appear to be relevant at the time. Just thought I’d ask! As for E-Mailing The Lotto Corporation aboutit… maybe one day… they don’t seem to me to very helpful, when it comes to the past. How easy would it be for them to post all the data that we all have so meticulously strived to analyze! Maybe, next time I run in to PAB, I will ask if has anything in his “Goodie Basket” that would automate that type of sort. Before,I took a leave, I was thinking of starting over again with a different spreadsheet that might encompass every possible stat.Can you imagine correlating the number of “sunspots” to numbers on a “Run” LOL,Ya I know, But, randomness is still fun, isn’t it?

Alex.

 

[Icewynd]

How easy would it be for them to post all the data that we all have so meticulously strived to analyze!

Yes! This is my pet peeve -- we pay their salaries with our ticket purchases but then we have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get the data. Why not just have a "download here" button on the webpage!



Gathering this data could probably be automated, but I don't know how to do it. Maybe someone else on the boards knows?

Looking forward to the results of your sunspot analysis. It could be the key!

Good luck!

 

[niteowl]

Not sure is this is what you are looking for, but LottoSoup.com has yearly cycles for how many times each number has been out back to 2005 and the jackpot amounts back to 2006.

http://www.lotto649stats.com/yearly_cycles.html

http://www.lotto649stats.com/jackpots_won.html

 

[PAB]

Hi Alex,

Maybe, next time I run in to PAB, I will ask if has anything in his “Goodie Basket” that would automate that type of sort.

Welcome back to the Forum .
I keep the number of prize winners for each tier along with the prize amount payable for each tier for the UK Main and UK ThunderBall but NOT for the Canadian Lotto's unfortunately .
If you did however, manage to get the information, you could use simple Excel formulas to calculate the statistics that you are after .

Yes! This is my pet peeve -- we pay their salaries with our ticket purchases but then we have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get the data. Why not just have a "download here" button on the webpage!

I agree Icewynd .
I am certain that they will keep this information in a DataBase, but the thing is, trying to get them to share it with the rest of the Lotto community. If they are anything like ours, it is like trying to get blood out of a stone!

Regards,
PAB


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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.

 

[Alexafjb]

[FONT=&quot]Hello, niteowl, Icewynd, PAB[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]First off, thanks niteowl , for the links, I do know about “Lotto Soup” just never seen, jackpots_won page. Anyway, they have the totals and the dates when won, simple spreadsheet page then graph the results should suffice for the first two questions I posed! As for any groups of recurring numbers, occurring more often at a certain time of year? I guess once a spreadsheet of draws is created the a conditional sort could be used.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PAB good to see your still out & about! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]So Guys, anyone get Lucky in the last 4 months?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ahem, I mean win any decent money? LOL[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Alex.[/FONT]

 

[Icewynd]

I do know about “Lotto Soup” just never seen, jackpots_won page.

I had never noticed this page either. Too bad their data only goes back to 2006 and not back to the beginning. Giving the data a quick scan it seems that more jackpots are won in the spring/summer, but I would have to download the data and analyse to confirm that.

[FONT=&quot]So Guys, anyone get Lucky in the last 4 months?
ahem, I mean win any decent money? LOL[/FONT]

Hee, hee! I don't kiss and tell!

Good luck!

 

[Icewynd]

OK, I am sorry to report that lottery officials do not seem to be more inclined to allow us to win during the festive season

Of the 824 draws in the LottoSoup data base, (which starts in January, 2006) there were 358 winners. By month, they break down as follows:

January.......34
February.....24
March.........35
April...........31
May...........32
June..........31
July...........25
August.......39
September.29
October.....29
November..20
December..29

November is the worst month for wins at 20. Not sure why -- does anyone have an explanation?

February is the second worst month at 24 wins, probably because there are fewer draws as it is a short month.

July is the third worst month for wins at 25, probably because everyone is on holidays and aren't buying their regular tickets.

December is tied with October as the fourth least winning month at 29 wins each.

Assigning whole months to seasons, Fall (October-December) is worst for wins at 78, Spring (April-June) is best at 94 wins, and Winter (January-March) and Summer (July-September) are tied at 93 wins each.

Good luck!

 

[Icewynd]

Of the 824 draws in the LottoSoup data base, (which starts in January, 2006) there were 358 winners.

It occurs to me that this statement could be misconstrued. I meant that 358 of 824 Jackpots were won.

However, often there were multiple winners of a jackpot:

1 winner -- 271 draws
2 winners -- 69 draws
3 winners -- 12 draws
4 winners -- 5 draws
5 winners -- 1 draw.

So, the lottery actually created 470 new millionaires from January 2006.

The largest prize (Jackpot divided by number of winners) was $49.8 Million while the smallest was $1 Million.

 

[Jamesgame]

Hello, Everyone
Thought that I would pop back in and do a refresher, sincethe holiday season is upon us! ( Oh Joy, Oh Bliss). Which for some reason meansthe Jackpots will be larger! Lottery commissions all over the world will begetting there special balls out for this festive season! All humor aside, overthe years of drawings, “has anyone ever plotted the relationships, between,time of year, & the size of jackpots to be won”? Or for that matter “Whattime of year has the most Jackpots won in”? Also, any group of recurring numbers occurring more often, at a certaintime of year? I guess a time frame would need to be quantified, so for simplicitylets break the year into 4 quarters. These questions are just an exercise of curiosity!
Alex.

How about the time of day relative to the time/date of the draw that the person buys their ticket? I'm trying to find a correlation between buying a ticket (whether your own number selection or quick pick) just before the draw or many hours/days before the draw. Have you found anything like this?

On lottery websites, they only state "X person bought ticket at Y store"

I've been testing this out and I usually only win a prize when I buy the ticket a few hours before the draw.

 

[Alexafjb]

[FONT=&quot]Good Morning, Folks[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Interesting statistic’s Icewynd. You must have a burning desire to quantify all information pertaining to the lotteries!
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[FONT=&quot]Tell me? Did you always have that desire? Or is that a product of hanging out in this forum! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now, I’m not in the know on this. But, I would imagine the reasons for variance’s like July would be, like you said, not many people buying tickets.
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[FONT=&quot]So, an interesting collation here would be:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How many tickets are sold for each draw? How many of those tickets are “Quick Picks”? How many of the Winners at all tier levels, are won by “Quick Picks”? ( this last question would be great to know! Just to see if we are banging our heads against the wall for nothing! )[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And, the list would go on… and, on! None of it would ever have any bearing what so ever, on an honest lottery!
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[FONT=&quot]The only people who would benefit from an exercise like this would be those, “Ancient Alien Theorist” ?, I mean those “Lottery Conspiracy Theorist”!
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[FONT=&quot]Watching way too much “History Channel”!
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[FONT=&quot]Hello, Jamesgame[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“time of day relative to the time/date of the draw that the person buys their ticket?”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I’m sure that information is out there, in the hands of “Lotto Corp.” Since we all purchase our tickets through computer terminals. But, I think that, information would never see the light of day! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When I first started to buy tickets, I too, would have a ritual in the back of my head, when it came to purchasing tickets! Never did work though! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jamesgame, You never said, if the tickets you bought, just hours before, where “Quick Picks” or a sets that you played? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Sitting here, re-reading this post, I ponder:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Randomness & Luck, two bed fellows, intricately linked”. They can be described, but, not quantified![/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Best “O” Luck All.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Alex.[/FONT]

 

[Icewynd]

[FONT=&quot]Interesting statistic’s Icewynd. You must have a burning desire to quantify all information pertaining to the lotteries!
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tell me? Did you always have that desire? Or is that a product of hanging out in this forum! [/FONT]

No, I've always been a nerd!

[FONT=&quot]Now, I’m not in the know on this. But, I would imagine the reasons for variance’s like July would be, like you said, not many people buying tickets.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]So, an interesting collation here would be:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How many tickets are sold for each draw? How many of those tickets are “Quick Picks”? How many of the Winners at all tier levels, are won by “Quick Picks”? ( this last question would be great to know! Just to see if we are banging our heads against the wall for nothing! )[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And, the list would go on… and, on! None of it would ever have any bearing what so ever, on an honest lottery!
[/FONT]

Agreed, fewer tickets = fewer wins. Also, 824 draws isn't a huge number of draws. Ideally I would like to have all 3000+ draws back to 1982 for analysis.

Lotto Soup has a description of the 6/49 lottery on their pages and they say that 50% of tickets sold are QPs. So, you could reverse engineer the number of tickets sold (self-pick and QP) from the numbers of minor prizes won and the odds of winning those prizes. But I'll leave that chore to someone else!

[FONT=&quot]“time of day relative to the time/date of the draw that the person buys their ticket?”[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I’m sure that information is out there, in the hands of “Lotto Corp.” Since we all purchase our tickets through computer terminals. But, I think that, information would never see the light of day! [/FONT]

No, I don't think they'll ever publish that data! It would be millions of records for every draw.

[FONT=&quot]Sitting here, re-reading this post, I ponder:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Randomness & Luck, two bed fellows, intricately linked”. They can be described, but, not quantified![/FONT]

Well said Alex!

Good luck!

 

[Alexafjb]

[FONT=&quot]Hi, Icewynd[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Before I went MIA, 4 months back, I was reading your thread “Eliminate up to 18 numbers from 6/49” I found it very important and an exciting piece of work ! Great job there by-the-way!
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[FONT=&quot]Anyway, I’ve always been intrigued with CSN’s! After all, all 13,983,816 combinations for a 6/49 game are there. With PAB’s help and guidance and PAB’s creation of a CSN generator, I put together a spreadsheet and plotted winning CSN positions ( Y axis, being 1 to 13,983,816 ) relative to (draw dates on X axis). Over the plotted historical course, (Lotto 6/49) I noted interesting, CSN swings, & patterns! [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Fast forward to, today, I’m of a mind to reinvent the wheel, and re do my Excel Lottery Workbook. I was thinking of incorporating every Lottery Statistic that I know of, and what is out there and even put minutia in it like what started this thread! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But! That would be way to overwhelming to divine any, winning combination from! After all I wish to win one… Big One, once, not every draw! LOL[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]So, I’m going to base the workbook on “ICCT” ( Icewynd’s Completion Cycles Theorem ).[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Your idea of the 1-49 cycle is very intriguing to me. My hope is to combine your theorem with PAB’s tweaked Macro CSN generator! Eventually. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I hope with using CSN’s, it maybe possibly grab the outliers that are so bloody hard to predict! Even if that does not work, it might be possible to view if there really are cycles with in cycles in a given lottery.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]I’ve a bit more refreshing to do before I start this project ( I’m the type of person that when you push something in one ear something else falls out the other! Don’t know why that is? .. Oh look shiny object! LOL)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot] Anyways, once I start this I would welcome yours & PAB’s input. PAB has my E-Mail Addy and I know he will read this, eventually, so, PAB you can release it to Icewynd if he wants it.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What file share site are you guys using these days? When I get to that point.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Alex.[/FONT]

 

[Icewynd]

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[FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Before I went MIA, 4 months back, I was reading your thread “Eliminate up to 18 numbers from 6/49” I found it very important and an exciting piece of work ! Great job there by-the-way!
[/FONT]

Thanks for the compliment Alex! I appreciate your input.

[FONT=&quot]Your idea of the 1-49 cycle is very intriguing to me. My hope is to combine your theorem with PAB’s tweaked Macro CSN generator! Eventually. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[FONT=&quot]What file share site are you guys using these days? When I get to that point.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Alex.[/FONT]

It will be interesting to see how you combine the idea of cycles with CSN's, but it sounds very exciting.

To get you started, I have posted an excel file "649 Cycles" on MediaFire.com. This file documents the cycles from the first draw of Lotto 6/49.

You can use the following link to download the file:

https://www.mediafire.com/?7953iu6xn2aa1s8

Hopefully this information will make your task a little easier.

Enjoy!

 

[Alexafjb]

Icewynd Thx man, I've got the file.

Had a very quick look at it, make sure it would open and not corrupt, With out looking at it deeper, I did note on the data page Div/0 error? Formula calling something in the future? or linked to a file in your workbook that was not part of the upload?
Anyways, Thx again, I will have alook at it in the morning! Not sure what time zone your in (eastern here) morning for me starts at 4:30 am.

Alex.

 

[Icewynd]

Icewynd Thx man, I've got the file.

Thanks for letting me know. Oddly, MediaFire says zero downloads?!?

:Had a very quick look at it, make sure it would open and not corrupt, With out looking at it deeper, I did note on the data page Div/0 error? Formula calling something in the future? or linked to a file in your workbook that was not part of the upload?

Div/0 error will show up as the spreadsheet is set up for cycle lengths longer than those that have already occurred. Currently the longest cycle is 62 draws, but the spreadsheet allows for cycle lengths of up to 72 draws.

:Anyways, Thx again, I will have alook at it in the morning! Not sure what time zone your in (eastern here) morning for me starts at 4:30 am.

CST here. 4:30 am???