Eliminate up to 18 numbers from 6/49

[Frank]

This is an interesting piece of research. Excellent work.
I would just make one observation if I may. Is it not true that the outcome of this research depends on where you start from ? I presume you are counting from draw 1 and flagging up when each ball is drawn at least once and continuing until the last ball is drawn, calling that the end of the cycle and resetting your counters? If you were to start at another draw which just happenned to be in synchronism with the absence period of ball 17 between draws 435 and 508 (uk lottery) then your results list would have contained its absence (including bonus ball) of 73 draws as that would be the cycle length. I believe your actual results set would differ with every start point and be just as valid. Counting back from 1814 a far as the last cycle available would I believe be just as valid in obtaining an average cycle length. I'm not suggesting the average would be far away from what youve already discovered, its just an observation. If I had the time I'd probably cycle through each past draw as a start point (as though that was the date of inception of the lottery) thus getting a thousand or so ? of sets like the ones you've shown.
There would be a complete list of maximum absences of specific balls (each one possibly controlling the cycle length ) contained within such a set, and the average would be much more representative of the whole lottery. It may not be worth the effort as it sounds like the lower 30's is going to be the result anyway. It does beg the question can one arbitrarily choose any draw and call it the start of a cycle, and base your ponderings on that start point? Food for thought. Its just statistics.

 

[sangoma123]

I would just make one observation if I may. Is it not true that the outcome of this research depends on where you start from ?

It does beg the question can one arbitrarily choose any draw and call it the start of a cycle, and base your ponderings on that start point?

Frank,I was thinking the same like you.Which is the start point?...

Regards

 

[PAB]

Hi Frank,

Thanks for your input and contribution.

Is it not true that the outcome of this research depends on where you start from?

This is indeed very true.
I think that Icewynd and I just used draw 1 because it was a logical starting point and as good as any other to calculate some statistical results.

If you were to start at another draw which just happenned to be in synchronism with the absence period of ball 17 between draws 435 and 508 (uk lottery) then your results list would have contained its absence (including bonus ball) of 73 draws as that would be the cycle length.

By the comment above I assume that you keep some sort of analysis of skips?
Is this done via a SpreadSheet or a Macro out of interest?

If I had the time I'd probably cycle through each past draw as a start point (as though that was the date of inception of the lottery) thus getting a thousand or so? of sets like the ones you've shown.

My approach to this was just one of brute force in an Excel SpreadSheet to accumulate the data to make the analysis I posted.
If this was to be done I think that it would need some clever SpreadSheet setup to somehow analize the data depending on the user input, or some VBA code.

This is a very good and interesting thread .

Regards,
PAB


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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.

 

[Icewynd]

This is an interesting piece of research. Excellent work.

Thank you, Frank. I appreciate the compliment. Actually, it was your help with Excel a few years ago that got this project off the ground.

I would just make one observation if I may. Is it not true that the outcome of this research depends on where you start from ? I presume you are counting from draw 1 and flagging up when each ball is drawn at least once and continuing until the last ball is drawn, calling that the end of the cycle and resetting your counters? If you were to start at another draw which just happenned to be in synchronism with the absence period of ball 17 between draws 435 and 508 (uk lottery) then your results list would have contained its absence (including bonus ball) of 73 draws as that would be the cycle length. I believe your actual results set would differ with every start point and be just as valid.

You make a valid point. I believe that, over time, randomness would assert itself -- that is after a second 100 cycles with a different start point it would be remarkably similar. However, I do not have data to back this up.

It does beg the question can one arbitrarily choose any draw and call it the start of a cycle, and base your ponderings on that start point? Food for thought. Its just statistics.

Food for thought, indeed. My process is not automated enough to test all start dates, so this question will have to remain in the realm of speculation.

 

[Icewynd]

I believe that to eliminate it is necessary to choose the numbers appeared 0 times, in the last 7 drawings, is right?.

Sangoma,

My apologies, it was not your explaination that was faulty, but my reading!

You are correct, eliminate the numbers that have appeared 0 times.

 

[jack]

Hello.ice, but the counter is reset at each cycle, it is important to see the cycle frequency, average, standard deviation, cycle high and low, the many ways of seeing the cycle
You can also see from 10 to 10 sweepstakes beginning with the pivot (the base) on the 1st draw
Held, =
1. It is important to keep in mind the last 2.3 cycles because usually numbers that repeat these last 2-3 cycles, show a clear tendency to leave the next cycle;

2. It is important to note the delay intervals for each number, so when one number that features short range 1 Absence Absence is in prolonged, will be strong probability of its output, and the example n. # 12, which never absent for more than one cycle, lying there now missing 23 Sweepstakes. Of Arrears is a number to be included for the next cycle;

3. Another factor to consider is the Total Output in Cycle and Total Number of Outputs. The comparison of these two data tells us much about the frequent repetition of each number, each cycle, which can also be seen in Table Tens of through the number of outputs.

4. The first four fifths Sweepstakes are fundamental to defining a strategy, so right from the first output must take into account these same numbers, because of the 32 on average, which is drawn, about 11/12, have a tendency to repetition within the cycle, representing approximately 37.50% of the hit.
If you can see the cycle a10 01 11-20 21 a30 .... a lottery
49/6.ou is beyond the sweepstakes in 10 to 10 also the cycle of lines

 

[Frank]

Hi Frank,

Thanks for your input and contribution.


By the comment above I assume that you keep some sort of analysis of skips?
Is this done via a SpreadSheet or a Macro out of interest?

Yes I have always kept track of skips from the very start. I have a linked spreadsheet that amongst other things , once a new result is entered, a macro transfers the draw number along with the ball numbers to a table of draw numbers assigned to each ball. So the table updates incrementally. Formulas work out the skips within the table. I have a full list of all the skips for each ball since the beginning. I also have a suite of charts displaying the history of the skips for each ball. This project was originally going to be displayed on my website, but I decided against it in the end as it would involve uploading new charts after every draw. I was on dial up internet in those days.
Ball number 17 happens to be foremost in my mind as it is the longest historical absence in the UK Lotto and this has been displayed as a fact on the front page of my website for the past 12 years or so.

 

[Frank]

I meant to add this example in the above post but was too late to edit it:-

http://www.lotterygen.co.uk/test/images/seventeen.gif

As you can see it has got pretty cluttered with data points over the years and needs to be much wider to be clear, another reason the charts are not on my site.

 

[PAB]

This is slightly off topic, SORRY.

Thanks for the reply Frank,

Upto about an hour ago I didn't have Skip data as such. I have a seperate SpreadSheet in my DataBase that picks up the draw number and the ball number and puts the actual draw number in the corresponding ball number within a matrix. From there the Total Drawn, Last Drawn & Since Drawn are calculated. In turn this information, along with...

Ball Number.
Expected drawn total.
Actual drawn total.
Diff between the above two.
Expected percent total.
Actual percent total.
Diff between the above two.
Expected 1 in every ? draws.
Actual 1 in every ? draws.
Diff between the above two.
Last drawn.
Since drawn.

...gets pulled into a summary SpreadSheet where all the above are calculated. I also have a Histogram to the right of the table. It ties it all up very nicely visually in a neat informative table.

Anyway, I digress, I have now setup the Skips for ALL the draws since inception and even added next to the 6 drawn numbers the total Skips for each of them prior to the last draw. At the top of the data I have added the Minimum, Maximum, Average & Median for each of the 49 numbers.

Regards,
PAB


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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.

 

[jack]

Hello, is just past cycles or a lottery 50/6
Example 29.39 in line 21 has, in another cycle, on line 21 has 33
Goal is to see that the line numbers to eliminate current
Hello, is just past cycles or a lottery 50/6

(1088) 12 13 28 41 42 47 -> 01-12 13 28 41 42 47
(1089) 23 27 28 30 41 42 -> 02 to 23 27 30 ......... <01> = 3
(1090) 03 09 15 28 29 38 -> 03-03 09 15 29 38 ... <01> = 1
(1091) 01 07 27 35 40 48 -> 04-01 07 35 40 48 ... <02> = 1
(1092) 04 10 22 23 33 40 -> 05 to 04 10 22 33 ...... <02> = 1 <04> = 1
(1093) 25 32 37 40 44 50 -> 06 to 25 32 37 44 50 ... <04> = 1
(1094) 05 15 21 26 43 50 -> 07-05 21 26 43 ...... <03> = 1 <06> = 1
(1095) 09 22 23 43 49 50 -> 08-49 ............... <02> = 1 <03> = 1 <05> = 1 <06> = 1
(1096) 05 31 35 39 44 48 -> 09 to 31 39 ............ <04> = 2 <06> = 1
(1097) 07 14 18 41 42 43 -> 10 - 14 18 ............ <01> = 2 <04> = 1
(1098) 08 10 26 29 32 43 -> 11-08 ............... <03> = 1 <05> = 1 <06> = 1
(1099) 15 20 25 40 46 48 -> 12 - 20 46 ............ <03> = 1 <04> = 2 <06> = 1
(1100) 10 15 21 23 39 40 -> 13 - .................. <02> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> = 1 <05> = 1
(1101) 12 17 30 31 36 45 -> 14th - 17th 36 45 ......... <01> = 1 <02> = 1
(1102) 01 17 30 33 34 37 -> 15 to 34 ............... <02> = 1 <04> 1 = <05> = 1 <06> = 1
(1103) 02 18 20 28 35 42 -> 16 to 02 ............... <01> = 2 <04> = 1
(1104) 10 13 25 31 36 45 -> 17 - .................. <01> = 1 <05> 1 = <06> = 1
(1105) 05 17 24 26 34 46 -> 18-24 ...............
(1106) 04 08 09 37 42 45 -> 19 - .................. <01> = 1 <03> = 1 <05> = 1 <06> = 1
(1107) 02 06 16 31 43 45 -> 20-06 16 ............
(1108) 20 22 33 35 40 46 -> 21 - .................. <04> = 2 <05> = 2
(1109) 13 15 18 19 27 31 -> 22-19 ............... <01> = 1 <02> = 1 <03> = 1
(1110) 03 07 10 13 46 48 -> 23 - .................. <01> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> 2 = <05> = 1
(1111) 01 03 18 26 42 46 -> 24 - .................. <01> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> = 1
(1112) 10 16 22 40 45 49 -> 25 - .................. <04> = 1 <05> = 2
(1113) 01 22 24 31 34 39 -> 26 - .................. <04> = 1 <05> = 1
(1114) 09 24 30 35 45 48 -> 27 - .................. <02> = 1 <03> 1 = <04> = 2
(1115) 06 11 17 18 39 50 -> 28-11 ............... <06> = 1
Scores: 1 => 2 6 => 3 3 => 5 4 => 5 = 5> 6 = 4> = 5 7> = 4 8> 9 = 1> 2 = 10> 11 = 2> = 1 12> 2 14 => 15 3 => 16 1 => = 1 18> 1 20 => 22 = 2> = 1 28> 1
Media ..: 1 => 2 = 00,50> 00,29 3 => 4 = 00,36> 00,68 = 5> 6 = 00,43> 00.32

(1116) 02 14 27 35 37 48 -> 01-02 14 27 35 37 48
(1117) 07 20 34 43 45 46 -> 02-07 20 34 43 45 46
(1118) 01 20 21 25 27 38 -> 03 to 01 21 25 38 ...... <01> = 1 <02> = 1
(1119) 02 03 07 09 13 19 -> 04-03 09 13 19 ...... <01> = 1 <02> = 1
(1120) 14 16 28 31 39 47 -> 05 to 16 28 31 39 47 ... <01> = 1
(1121) 03 17 19 24 34 38 -> 06-17 24 ............ <02> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> = 2
(1122) 06 13 22 26 34 41 -> 07 to 06 22 26 41 ...... <02> = 1 <04> = 1
(1123) 05 06 20 34 40 45 -> 08-05 40 ............ <02> = 3
(1124) 08 18 28 29 44 49 -> 09-08 18 29 44 49 ... <05> = 1
(1125) 09 17 22 31 35 47 -> 10 - .................. <01> = 1 <04> 1 = <05> = 2 <06> = 1
(1126) 11 16 27 29 47 50 -> 11 to 11 50 ............ <01> = 1 <05> = 2
(1127) 08 12 17 22 37 48 -> 12-12 ............... <01> 2 = <06> = 1
(1128) 06 09 10 31 42 43 -> 13-10 42 ............ <02> = 1 <04> = 1 <05> = 1
(1129) 06 15 18 23 39 47 -> 14 - 15 23 ............ <05> = 2
(1130) 10 15 26 37 38 47 -> 15 - .................. <01> = 1 <03> 1 = <05> = 1
(1131) 01 05 19 22 24 35 -> 16 - .................. <01> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> = 1 <06> = 1
(1132) 27 31 36 38 46 49 -> 17 to 36 ............... <01> = 1 <02> 1 = <03> = 1 <05> = 1
(1133) 08 28 35 42 44 50 -> 18 - .................. <01> = 1 <05> = 1
(1134) 04 07 13 36 41 49 -> 19-04 ............... <02> = 1 <04> = 1
(1135) 08 09 12 17 23 40 -> 20 - .................. <04> = 1 <06> = 1
(1136) 20 21 24 27 33 43 -> 21 to 33 ............... <01> = 1 <02> = 2 <03> = 1 <06> = 1
(1137) 06 14 24 34 43 49 -> 22 - .................. <01> = 1 <02> 2 = <06> = 1
(1138) 04 05 14 23 32 41 -> 23-32 ............... <01> = 1
(1139) 20 21 22 26 33 50 -> 24 - .................. <02> = 1 <03> = 1
(1140) 05 10 16 20 37 38 -> 25 - .................. <01> = 1 <02> = 1 <03> = 1 <05> = 1
(1141) 15 19 22 25 28 37 -> 26 - .................. <01> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> = 1 <05> = 1
(1142) 14 24 26 33 45 49 -> 27 - .................. <01> = 1 <02> 1 = <06> = 1
(1143) 23 32 45 46 47 49 -> 28 - .................. <02> = 2 <05> = 1
(1144) 01 05 21 35 46 47 -> 29 - .................. <01> = 1 <02> 1 = <03> = 2 <05> = 1
(1145) 04 12 16 24 35 39 -> 30 - .................. <01> = 1 <05> = 2 <06> = 1
(1146) 02 10 18 25 35 40 -> 31 - .................. <01> 2 = <03> = 1
(1147) 07 20 22 29 39 42 -> 32 - .................. <02> = 2 <05> = 1
(1148) 03 11 18 23 33 35 -> 33 - .................. <01> = 1 <04> = 1
(1149) 05 13 17 30 33 45 -> 34 to 30 ............... <02> = 1 <04> 1 = <06> = 1
Scores: 1 => 2 6 => 3 6 => 4 4 => 4 5 => 5 6 => 7 = 2> = 4 8> = 2 9> 11 5 => 12 = 2> = 1 13> 2 14 => 17 = 2> = 1 19> 1 21 => = 1 23> 34 1 => 1
Media ..: 1 => 2 = 00,65> 00,68 3 => 4 = 00,32> 00,32 = 5> 6 = 00,53> 00.26

(1150) 02 03 10 24 30 37 -> 01 to 02 03 10 24 30 37
(1151) 09 10 13 18 21 44 -> 02 to 09 13 18 21 44 ... <01> = 1
(1152) 01 11 13 21 32 33 -> 03 to 01 11 32 33 ...... <02> = 2
(1153) 08 25 28 34 36 43 -> 04-08 25 28 34 36 43
(1154) 10 11 28 31 41 47 -> 05-31 41 47 ......... <01> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> = 1
(1155) 09 15 19 26 44 47 -> 06 to 15 19 26 ......... <02> = 2 <05> = 1
(1156) 10 11 23 25 28 33 -> 07 to 23 ............... <01> = 1 <03> = 2 <04> = 2
(1157) 17 22 24 44 49 50 -> 08-17 22 49 50 ...... <01> = 1 <02> = 1
(1158) 04 17 45 46 48 50 -> 09-04 45 46 48 ......
(1159) 04 18 19 28 40 42 -> 10 - 40 42 ............ <02> = 1 <04> = 1 <06> = 1
(1160) 05 08 13 14 41 49 -> 11-05 14 ............ <02> = 1 <04> = 1 <05> = 1
(1161) 11 14 16 27 32 44 -> 12 - 16 27 ............ <02> = 1 <03> = 2
(1162) 04 15 17 25 42 44 -> 13 - .................. <02> = 1 <04> 1 = <06> = 1
(1163) 19 20 24 37 43 49 -> 14 - 20 ............... <01> = 2 <04> = 1 <06> = 1
(1164) 06 07 08 10 11 32 -> 15-06 07 ............ <01> = 1 <03> 2 = <04> = 1
(1165) 03 04 13 30 38 41 -> 16 to 38 ............... <01> = 2 <02> = 1 <05> = 1
(1166) 03 09 35 38 41 44 -> 17-35 ............... <01> = 1 <02> 2 = <05> = 1
(1167) 05 16 19 25 26 43 -> 18 - .................. <04> = 2 <06> = 2
(1168) 04 26 27 31 37 41 -> 19 - .................. <01> = 1 <05> = 2 <06> = 1
(1169) 18 20 26 28 37 50 -> 20 - .................. <01> = 1 <02> = 1 <04> = 1 <06> = 1
(1170) 03 14 19 29 39 43 -> 21-29 39 ............ <01> = 1 <04> = 1 <06> = 1
(1171) 19 22 26 32 43 44 -> 22 - .................. <02> = 1 <03> = 1 <04> = 1 <06> = 2
(1172) 13 16 25 40 41 46 -> 23 - .................. <02> = 1 <04> 1 = <05> = 1
(1173) 01 11 21 26 35 44 -> 24 - .................. <02> = 2 <03> = 2 <06> = 1
(1174) 04 09 10 26 42 47 -> 25 - .................. <01> = 1 <02> = 1 <05> = 1 <06> = 1

 

[Frank]

This is slightly off topic, SORRY.

Thanks for the reply Frank,

Upto about an hour ago I didn't have Skip data as such. I have a seperate SpreadSheet in my DataBase that picks up the draw number and the ball number and puts the actual draw number in the corresponding ball number within a matrix. From there the Total Drawn, Last Drawn & Since Drawn are calculated. In turn this information, along with...

Ball Number.
Expected drawn total.
Actual drawn total.
Diff between the above two.
Expected percent total.
Actual percent total.
Diff between the above two.
Expected 1 in every ? draws.
Actual 1 in every ? draws.
Diff between the above two.
Last drawn.
Since drawn.

...gets pulled into a summary SpreadSheet where all the above are calculated. I also have a Histogram to the right of the table. It ties it all up very nicely visually in a neat informative table.

Anyway, I digress, I have now setup the Skips for ALL the draws since inception and even added next to the 6 drawn numbers the total Skips for each of them prior to the last draw. At the top of the data I have added the Minimum, Maximum, Average & Median for each of the 49 numbers.

Regards,
PAB

Hi PAB your skip information should prove useful in the future. You mention the 6 drawn balls. Is your information based only on the main balls? My skips table treats all 7 balls as equals.

Regards,
Frank

 

[PAB]

Thanks for the reply Frank,

...You mention the 6 drawn balls. Is your information based only on the main balls? My skips table treats all 7 balls as equals.

I actually setup my Skips table before going to bed last night, but this morning, with a fresh outlook on it, I decided to included the Bonus, for the exact reason you have mentioned. I think it gives a far better conception of what is happening.
I actually setup the Skips via formulas within VBA and then replaced the formulas with the formulas values only. This was just to save the extra megabytes that the formulas would have used when the WorkBook is saved.
The Minimum, Maximum, Average & Median for each of the 49 numbers is quite interesting, and I agreed with the infamous number 17 you spoke about.

Regards,
PAB


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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.

 

[PAB]

I am going to start a new thread regarding UK Skips so as not to detract from this particular threads purpose and very interesting topic and analysis.

Regards,
PAB


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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.

 

[PAB]

Hi everyone,

The present Cycle has 6 numbers still to appear, these are numbers 02 - 06 - 28 - 29 - 30 - 35.

If anyone else did these numbers like I did last night in the UK Main 649 Lotto, well done, you are now...

£10

...richer .
I also did them on the Plus5, so we will see how that one pans out.
It is interesting though that this late in the day for the Cycle to produce 3 numbers yet to be drawn!!!

Regards,
PAB


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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.

 

[madam]

Icewynd: After reading your thesis I tried it for 10 plays. The turn out was 6 plays had 7 winning #'s and 3 plays with 5 winning #'s. I have set up my tickets for ON49 this 5/22/2013. madam.

 

[Icewynd]

Icewynd: After reading your thesis I tried it for 10 plays. The turn out was 6 plays had 7 winning #'s and 3 plays with 5 winning #'s. I have set up my tickets for ON49 this 5/22/2013. madam.

Madam,

Nice to see you posting on the boards again, and congratulations on your success!

Are you just wheeling all the remaining numbers together, or do you have an additional number picking method that you use? I know you were always a big fan of the Simonsez method (wonder what ever happened to her?).

 

[madam]

icewynd

LOne of three things my have happened to simon sez. She won the lottery and retired, got tired of trying, which I cannot see or she has gone to the great lottery in the sky. I finally gave up on her methods. Itied to improve on her methods but to no avail. I have had better fortune with your latest methods. I have only one problem which I think most of us have and that is to pick out the best wheel. I have tried GH, LaJolla and when ever I hear of some. the winnings have kept playing. At least there are winnings. I have trouble understanding the length of your research but then you have your interest. Keep it up.

 

[Icewynd]

Keep it up.

Thanks for the encouragement Madam. I, and others here, keep trying to find the lottery holy grail.

As for wheels, maybe you could check out the wheels at theluckygene.com

Good luck!

 

[madam]

Icewynd

Tried your suggestion as Theluckygene and was advissed by McAfee that the site was dangerous. Any other thought?

 

[Icewynd]

Tried your suggestion as Theluckygene and was advissed by McAfee that the site was dangerous. Any other thought?

Ow! Sorry about that! Lotto-Logix has some wheels. Maybe someone else can make a suggestion.