Discussions 6/49 October 30!!!

[peter]

Remember the 14 from a few draws
Well this is in the same category, I would'nt doubt me a second time.

 

[gsobier]

...I hope you are not fooled... ...it could happen... ...its a lottery...

Remember the 14 from a few draws
Well this is in the same category, I would'nt doubt me a second time.

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

I'll tell you....Never ...Never...underestimate the hanging ghosts...
Having said that... 26 is a real nightmare!!!

 

[Dennis Bassboss]

And of course...Never underestimate the dancing set.... A lot of them fit right into the category of hanging ghosts...

 

[Karnac]

Remember the 14 from a few draws
Well this is in the same category, I would'nt doubt me a second time.

Peter......in the GH software there is a chart for Trailing numbers which is basically announcers....I used a format where a set of 12 top numbers are generated after 1 draw back,2 draws ,3 draws...etc. to 5 draws back and what numbers came up after each draw so many times. I tried to find a post by Beaker a few weeks ago that had a similar idea, but I only learned the software chart recently so I thought I'd give it a go. The 12 numbers of each set are below...This is based on total 6/49 games.

5 20 27 29 31 32 34 37 43 45 46 47 Based on 1 game back
3 5 27 30 31 32 34 38 39 40 43 47 2
18 20 27 31 32 34 40 43 45 46 47 49 3
5 11 27 30 31 32 34 40 43 45 46 47 4
1 7 16 20 26 27 30 31 32 34 43 45 5

Common to all 5 sets are: 27,31,32,34,43

Yeah...that 31/32 again

 

[peter]

Maybe, I better stick with that 31/32, Better play both sets to be sure.

 

[Beaker]

Here is something that I'll throw out for consumption, that Both Beaker and Dennis know all to well, and that is...
If the 15 announces high draws... then why can't high draws announce the 15.

Peter,
these high draws are in play which means all the high draw announcers have to be considered in play.

I expect a few for this draw

 

[Beaker]

Peter......in the GH software there is a chart for Trailing numbers which is basically announcers....I used a format where a set of 12 top numbers are generated after 1 draw back,2 draws ,3 draws...etc. to 5 draws back and what numbers came up after each draw so many times. I tried to find a post by Beaker a few weeks ago that had a similar idea, but I only learned the software chart recently so I thought I'd give it a go. The 12 numbers of each set are below...This is based on total 6/49 games.

5 20 27 29 31 32 34 37 43 45 46 47 Based on 1 game back
3 5 27 30 31 32 34 38 39 40 43 47 2
18 20 27 31 32 34 40 43 45 46 47 49 3
5 11 27 30 31 32 34 40 43 45 46 47 4
1 7 16 20 26 27 30 31 32 34 43 45 5

Common to all 5 sets are: 27,31,32,34,43

Yeah...that 31/32 again

I'll tell you the problem with this analysis - you look at absolute counts and that can be misleading.
You need to look at relative counts - something GH and all other programs do not do

 

[Karnac]

I'll tell you the problem with this analysis - you look at absolute counts and that can be misleading.
You need to look at relative counts - something GH and all other programs do not do

Beaker ...by relative do you mean more current data or do you mean numbers' relationship to other numbers...

 

[Beaker]

Beaker ...by relative do you mean more current data or do you mean numbers' relationship to other numbers...

Sorry - good question.

Relative in this context means relative to the number of times the number has hit

By looking at a number relative to the number of times it has hit you can 'weight' that number. It's a way to look at all numbers on an equal footing

 

[peter]

After much tinkering, My final set of 8 is posted.

 

[Beaker]

I'm going to try to exploit that gem Dejazzman found regarding Ontario49.

THis could be as good as using S7

 

[Karnac]

I see......."weight" and "bias" are interchangeable terms here....

 

[peter]

I'm going to try to exploit that gem Dejazzman found regarding Ontario49.

THis could be as good as using S7

I must have missed that post, what gem are we referring to?

 

[Beaker]

I see......."weight" and "bias" are interchangeable terms here....

I think absolute counts can 'bias' picks - you end up picking all the high hit numbers - just look at your list 27-31-32-34-43 - many of those numbers are in the best set list.

Don't get me wrong, looking at absolute counts is important but I have always looked at that count relative to the number's total.

 

[Beaker]

I must have missed that post, what gem are we referring to?

A few weeks ago I called the OLGC and got the following information and if somebody has also called them we can see if they are telling everybody the same story.

There are 2 ballsets
These ballsets first came into play on April 3, 2002.

When I asked them about how they determine which ballset they use they told me that the change is random and they do not keep track of which is used. Immediately after telling me this they then said that 1 set is used as a back up.

Also interesting... they said they load the machine at about 9:20 pm with 49 balls. Run the Ontario 49 and then replace the 7 balls and run the National draw immediately following.

The draws take place in two different locations, I forget exactly where... but doesn't this mean that the equipment is transported twice weekly between the two locations?


Can anyone confirm or expand on this?


Rob

The way this reads to me is they have 2 ball sets - one they use for Ont49 and the other for the national draw.

Is that the way you see it?

 

[peter]

The way I read it they use one set for both draws they just put back the 7 balls that came in the ONT 649. and use the same set for the national draw.

 

[Beaker]

The way I read it they use one set for both draws they just put back the 7 balls that came in the ONT 649. and use the same set for the national draw.

Either way - use the same set or use a different set - there are only 2 ball sets and it seems to me Ont49 could be another set of history for the National 649 - they use the same ballset

Think of it this way.

the National 649 has 2 ball sets. They have 2 drawings. One they call ont49 and the other National 649.

From where I sit that ont49 draw could be part of the overall history - they use the same ball sets

I think this could be very valuable

 

[Karnac]

Either way - use the same set or use a different set - there are only 2 ball sets and it seems to me Ont49 could be another set of history for the National 649 - they use the same ballset

Think of it this way.

the National 649 has 2 ball sets. They have 2 drawings. One they call ont49 and the other National 649.

From where I sit that ont49 draw could be part of the overall history - they use the same ball sets

I think this could be very valuable

Just wondering which way you go on this....do you totally integrate the two draws or do you research each individually and cross reference the numbers to find common sets?

 

[Beaker]

Just wondering which way you go on this....do you totally integrate the two draws or do you research each individually and cross reference the numbers to find common sets?

Both seems reasonable.

If what Dejazzman says is correct, we need to look at what ont49 announces 2 draws ahead and the last national draw announces the next ont649

Have to do some analysis