#### Duck Benway

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I got curious about repeating quartets and quintets in the Canadian 649. There are about 40 draws that repeat (or almost repeat) a previous draw with up to five numbers. Besides the repeating number groups, there are some interesting patterns in the group of draws in terms of decades, sums and etc.

I've attached the File as a Zip Archive and if anyone has observations or comments about the data, I would be most interested in learning what can be said about it. For me, it calls into question the random cycles of the draws.

Best regards,

Duck.

P.S. Oops! Apparently a file of this scale can not be attached to a message here. If you would like me to e-mail it to you, please let me know.

#### Beaker

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Duck, 1 draw with 5 repeats 1375. 1 draw out of 2010 - 20 years for that strategy is a long wait.

Who knows, it could happen tomorrow

I think you might be better off picking 2 decades and wheel 'n wait.

Cycles I agree with but these large wave cycles may be hard to pinpoint with one data point.

Try this one: out of 10 draws, 6 have 1 decade missing, 3 have 2 decades and 1 has all decades.

#### Dennis Bassboss

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With bonus…
5numbers combos…
8 combos have hit 3 times
475 combos have hit 2 times..

4 numbers combos…
1 combo has hit 6 times
8 combos have hit 5 times
71 combos have hit 4 times
971 combos have hit 3 times
8,419 combos have hit 2 times

Without bonus…
5 numbers combos…
43 combos have hit 2 times

4 numbers combos…
2 combos have hit 4 times
88 combos have hit 3 times
1912 combos have hit 2 times

It might also interest you to know that 2 combo 3 have hit 10 times….
10-31-39 and 38-43-45 All regular numbers
And surprizingly…both of these two sets contain each two from my dancing set….
But not the same two…strange isn’t-it?
15 combos have also already struck 9 times many of these containing numbers from the dancing one…If you want them I could list them all…

#### Duck Benway

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Oops! Sorry, gang. I wasn't very clear about "repeating" numbers. I failed to note that I was referring to non-sequential repeats.

For example:

Draw Date N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 B Sum Type/Class
45 16/04/1983 1 3 19 31 32 47 37 133 21021
977 02/06/1993 1 3 19 32 37 47 23 139 21021

1569 03/02/1999 10 17 19 23 25 35 6 129 03210
1869 19/12/2001 10 17 19 20 25 35 11 126 03210

301 10/12/1986 14 23 25 30 33 35 17 160 01230
693 12/09/1990 14 23 29 35 39 47 44 187 01221
146 23/03/1985 14 23 31 33 35 47 18 183 01131

I find it uncanny that the same five numbers, (or extremely close numbers) could repeat in a later draw.

This was the pattern I intended to refer to. I've catalogued about 40 of such draws.

Best regards,

Duck.

#### Dennis Bassboss

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Duck Benway said:
Oops! Sorry, gang. I wasn't very clear about "repeating" numbers. I failed to note that I was referring to non-sequential repeats.

For example:

Draw Date N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 B Sum Type/Class
45 16/04/1983 1 3 19 31 32 47 37 133 21021
977 02/06/1993 1 3 19 32 37 47 23 139 21021

1569 03/02/1999 10 17 19 23 25 35 6 129 03210
1869 19/12/2001 10 17 19 20 25 35 11 126 03210

301 10/12/1986 14 23 25 30 33 35 17 160 01230
693 12/09/1990 14 23 29 35 39 47 44 187 01221
146 23/03/1985 14 23 31 33 35 47 18 183 01131

I find it uncanny that the same five numbers, (or extremely close numbers) could repeat in a later draw.

This was the pattern I intended to refer to. I've catalogued about 40 of such draws.

Best regards,

Duck.

Yes I noticed...and that is exactly what my prior post was all about....If you want them all I can post these for whoever want them with bonus and without bonus...For many other draws too other than Canadian 6/49...

#### Duck Benway

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Beaker said:
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Cycles I agree with but these large wave cycles may be hard to pinpoint with one data point.

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Is that what these are called? "Large Wave Cycles?" I think these draws call into question the integrity of the randomizing apparutus. Out the the theoroetical zilions of possible combinations, how could the following draws occur unless there isn't something wonky with the randomizing apparutus?

Draw Date N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 B# SUM Type/Class.

170 07/09/1985 30 32 35 40 43 44 23 224 00033
1281 01/05/1996 30 32 39 40 42 44 29 227 00033

1111 14/09/1994 15 20 36 37 48 49 21 205 01122
1738 16/09/2000 15 20 36 37 46 49 45 203 01122

142 23/02/1985 1 2 7 9 20 43 33 82 40101
800 1/09/1991 1 2 7 9 21 42 27 82 40101

I think these various examples are really bizarre!

#### charles2

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Large Wave Cycles ? What we talking about the Stock market Too

#### Beaker

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charles2 said:
Large Wave Cycles ? What we talking about the Stock market Too
That's where I got it from

Seriously, I think there are short/medium/long term cycles in these numbers

#### Duck Benway

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Matching Draws

Beaker said:
That's where I got it from

Seriously, I think there are short/medium/long term cycles in these numbers

Interesting perspective. That would suggest such phenomena can be charted, the way stocks and commodity futures can be charted; highs, lows, flat periods, etc.

But how can a big, rotating plastic drum full of 49 rubber balls be compared to the marketplace for stocks and commodities? The logic escapes me here.

I think the big, plastic rotating drum is a 'randomizing' device with some serious flaws. I can't find any other rational explanation for those draws that have the same five numbers (sometimes almost six) as a previous draw, with closely matching sums and decade types.

#### Beaker

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I'm not sure I made the connection between the stock market and big drums rotating lotto numbers. While there are cycles in the stock market for sure I would characterize the 'cycles' in the numbers as 'in favour' 'out of favour'
I think the big, plastic rotating drum is a 'randomizing' device with some serious flaws. I can't find any other rational explanation for those draws that have the same five numbers (sometimes almost six) as a previous draw, with closely matching sums and decade types.
cycles
.... or bias but the bias in lotto is extremely short-term.

You know we have many cycles in nature - by design. There are many many examples.
The one numeric cycle (repeat) that eludes us, so far, is the calculation of phi.

#### Dennis Bassboss

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Duck Benway said:
Is that what these are called? "Large Wave Cycles?" I think these draws call into question the integrity of the randomizing apparutus. Out the the theoroetical zilions of possible combinations, how could the following draws occur unless there isn't something wonky with the randomizing apparutus?

Draw Date N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 B# SUM Type/Class.

170 07/09/1985 30 32 35 40 43 44 23 224 00033
1281 01/05/1996 30 32 39 40 42 44 29 227 00033

1111 14/09/1994 15 20 36 37 48 49 21 205 01122
1738 16/09/2000 15 20 36 37 46 49 45 203 01122

142 23/02/1985 1 2 7 9 20 43 33 82 40101
800 1/09/1991 1 2 7 9 21 42 27 82 40101

I think these various examples are really bizarre!

Hey Ducky!! Check these ones....

0045-0977
0418-1665
0518-0584
1173-1944
0967-2001This one not too long ago....
Classic examples of history repeating itself...Actually I'm going to move that last one in the 6/49 discussions thread...

#### charles2

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Interesting, the stock market always moves on emotions, fear greed etc, ie mass psychology and also on real numbers like earnings and then on economic stuff like recession unemployment etc and finally on geopolictical stuff like wars etc we'll not get into shady ceo's etc ie fraud cooking the books

but i can't see how lotto balls can be affected like this this in any way, the only variable i see is the fear and greed psyc when you actually bet money

#### Beaker

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charles2 said:
Interesting, the stock market always moves on emotions, fear greed etc, ie mass psychology and also on real numbers like earnings and then on economic stuff like recession unemployment etc and finally on geopolictical stuff like wars etc we'll not get into shady ceo's etc ie fraud cooking the books

but i can't see how lotto balls can be affected like this this in any way, the only variable i see is the fear and greed psyc when you actually bet money
Lotto is not affected by these - that's the point. If you are saying that we can only have cyclic behaviour when we have 'human vairables' then how do you explain the cyclic nature of changing of the seasons?

No doubt stock markets are affected by all you describe - these essentially produce the cycles.

But, how do you explain the cycles of nature?

#### Dennis Bassboss

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Beaker said:
Lotto is not affected by these - that's the point. If you are saying that we can only have cyclic behaviour when we have 'human vairables' then how do you explain the cyclic nature of changing of the seasons?

No doubt stock markets are affected by all you describe - these essentially produce the cycles.

But, how do you explain the cycles of nature?
That reminds me of the overall relativity theory...When einstein said that nature doesn't play around with dices...but later on Max Plank said to him Who knows??? And proved with the quanta theory that nature does play around with dice!!!

#### Duck Benway

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Repeat Win Combos (5 Numbers)

Dennis Bassboss said:
Hey Ducky!! Check these ones....

0045-0977
0418-1665
0518-0584
1173-1944
0967-2001This one not too long ago....
Classic examples of history repeating itself...Actually I'm going to move that last one in the 6/49 discussions thread...

I'm aware of 0045-0977 and I'll track the other suggested draws. Thank you Dennis. I put my study of this stuff together about a year ago, so I reckon a lot more of it can happen in a year.

"History repeating itself..." Another interesting perspective. It would appear that many of the local players have just accepted this phenomenon. I am have a problem accepting it.

Out of almost fourteen million combinations, there are about 45 draws that show "history repeating itself..." This is boggling my mind.

#### Dennis Bassboss

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When the great peacemaker first arrived in the mohawk tribes people tought he was a lunatic..He took many examples in nature itself to explain his wisdom....After one tribes had attack another after he visited the attacking tribe...In one of his great lines he clearly said...
'' I have a chance to succeed in brigging the 6 tribes together...
Because even the wind itself can change suddenly,becoming fierce...but I know that it will blow exactly like it is blowing as I speak today at some point...''
Lotto is the same thing ...at one point the same numbers reappears.....

#### Beaker

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Re: Repeat Win Combos (5 Numbers)

Duck Benway said:
I'm aware of 0045-0977 and I'll track the other suggested draws. Thank you Dennis. I put my study of this stuff together about a year ago, so I reckon a lot more of it can happen in a year.

"History repeating itself..." Another interesting perspective. It would appear that many of the local players have just accepted this phenomenon. I am have a problem accepting it.

Out of almost fourteen million combinations, there are about 45 draws that show "history repeating itself..." This is boggling my mind.
THen this should finish the rest of the body off - take a look:

Beaker said:
WOW!!

I looked at 649 and Super7 - bonus included for both

I found 10 draws that have at least 6 numbers the same from different dates

BUT - 2 draws in 649 have all the regular numbers from S7

Check them out

649 draw 814 Nov 9, 1991 is 7-13-17-19-23-29 B 18
S7 draw 320 July 21, 2000 is 7-12-13-17-19-23-29 B 3

and

649 draw 1495 May 20, 1998 is 10-11-20-22-31-39 B 21
S7 draw 115 Aug 16, 1996 is 10-11-20-22-31-39-40 B 3

I think thats incredible ! And who said draws never repeat?

#### Beaker

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Dennis Bassboss said:
..He took many examples in nature itself to explain his wisdom...
Because even the wind itself can change suddenly,becoming fierce...but I know that it will blow exactly like it is blowing as I speak today at some point...''
Lotto is the same thing ...at one point the same numbers reappears.....
by ivygirl - China
as a wisdom says that ¡° water is no fixed shape and the wars differ in thousands of ways"...capture the trendline of the winning nubmers in a free way... The vibratility is the decisionmaker of most winning numbers. There will be no big prize where there is no vibratility....
We must look at the examples of nature - wind, water in particular - for they hold the key. Dennis the native people are very in tune to nature and the Chinese are very in tune to how aspects of nature cycle - ying-yang, flowing water, blowing wind.

This concept of vibratility - I think of it as numeric resonance - certain numbers 'excite' other numbers to come is intriguing.

Could it be???

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#### Dennis Bassboss

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Beaker said:
We must look at the examples of nature - wind, water in particular - for they hold the key. Dennis the native people are very in tune to nature and the Chinese are very in tune to how aspects of nature cycle - ying-yang, flowing water, blowing wind.

This concept of vibratility - I think of it as numeric resonance - certain numbers 'excite' other numbers to come is intriging.

Could it be???
Yes I think it does..Beaker! And that vibrality stuff might have some goods into it...As a long time player around here and you know as well as I do that just by looking at Peter's theory the question become irrelevant ..We both know that numbers repeat and often in a pattern that can be predicted!
I'm sure that were just starting to stunned the statistitians and flat foot earth walker by our accurate on the dot predictions here..