Anyone have an answer to a possible idea i have?

[49er]

Anyone have an answer to a possible idea i have?

Can anyone access the lottery numbers choosen by lottery customers 2 hours before the last ticket can be bought, via computer database?

Also is it possible to hack into OLC database, adding the winning numbers of the evenings draw then printing a phoney ticket with the bar codes from a local kiosk? Of course the lottery kiosk will be tampered with to print a legit ticket out?

 

[hojimoe]

anything's possible, but it'd be useless because you'd be caught. When a kiosk is put in, they make everything via a connection to the OLGC, tickets are made and registered right away to the system (theres) you could probably hack a machine to print tickets, but to get your hands on a machine is near impossible. The components are so well hidden and they don't tell you very much about them when they bring a new machine to a kiosk or store. When they brought the machine to my work, and the lottery corp guy trained us, he would only say that it's the latest model and that in the future the little lump at the front where the selection slips go in, would be later used for credit cards


The cost of getting a ticket printed would not near make it worth while, you'd be charged more than you'd win anyway... you would not get away with it....
below the encore number, is a set of numbers, they all correspond to different things, such as the location (terminal) you bought the ticket from, the day, i think the time, and the ticket number.... ever notice how complex the bar code is...there's a reason, not to be tampered with...

 

[49er]

anything's possible, but it'd be useless because you'd be caught. When a kiosk is put in, they make everything via a connection to the OLGC, tickets are made and registered right away to the system (theres) you could probably hack a machine to print tickets, but to get your hands on a machine is near impossible. The components are so well hidden and they don't tell you very much about them when they bring a new machine to a kiosk or store. When they brought the machine to my work, and the lottery corp guy trained us, he would only say that it's the latest model and that in the future the little lump at the front where the selection slips go in, would be later used for credit cards


The cost of getting a ticket printed would not near make it worth while, you'd be charged more than you'd win anyway... you would not get away with it....
below the encore number, is a set of numbers, they all correspond to different things, such as the location (terminal) you bought the ticket from, the day, i think the time, and the ticket number.... ever notice how complex the bar code is...there's a reason, not to be tampered with...

Maybe i wasn't clear enough, the kiosk would be the printer, the hack will be via computer database to the lottery. There must be a database that holds all the numbers that people chose for a particular draw, correct? My theory of hacking in to the lottery database adding the correct winning numbers, time of purchase, kiosk number, unique security code of each ticket. Then use the kiosk to print the winning numbers.
The kiosk is hooked to the telephone lines via internet correct?
So there must a database to phone into. To get access you must get the password from the OLC office through to via PC. Unless someone at the office has the key or password or terminal that is connected to the phone line you can gain access to there computer file history. Using some custom software to get through there security firewall leaving some let me say in plain terms trojan horse, to later get access to security access of there database.
Can you clearly describe what did you mean about credit card slot. The slip insert is used for to read the numbers right?
Did you mean that it can be used as a credit card reader as well to pay for the lottery ticket? confused??

I'm surprised that nobody thought about this. Smart card technology is the end all be all of security encryption out there. So a hack in the files of a database is difficult but anything worthwhile always is.

 

[hojimoe]

Maybe i wasn't clear enough, the kiosk would be the printer, the hack will be via computer database to the lottery. There must be a database that holds all the numbers that people chose for a particular draw, correct? My theory of hacking in to the lottery database adding the correct winning numbers, time of purchase, kiosk number, unique security code of each ticket. Then use the kiosk to print the winning numbers.
The kiosk is hooked to the telephone lines via internet correct?
So there must a database to phone into. To get access you must get the password from the OLC office through to via PC. Unless someone at the office has the key or password or terminal that is connected to the phone line you can gain access to there computer file history. Using some custom software to get through there security firewall leaving some let me say in plain terms trojan horse, to later get access to security access of there database.
Can you clearly describe what did you mean about credit card slot. The slip insert is used for to read the numbers right?
Did you mean that it can be used as a credit card reader as well to pay for the lottery ticket? confused??

I'm surprised that nobody thought about this. Smart card technology is the end all be all of security encryption out there. So a hack in the files of a database is difficult but anything worthwhile always is.

ok, so im guessing you mean, go back after the winning numbers have come out and print the same ticket? i hope i;m right this time.

- Well I don't think this is possible for a couple of reasons. Primarily the fact that this would make "two" winning tickets. And the fact that it's the same duplicated ticket would cause the lottery office to go crazy! Next the punishment for making this would be massive....

if you mean when there isnt a winning ticket originally, that you make one with the winning numbers after the draw has taken place....

-well this is another huge problem....the fact that the LGC knows exactly what tickets are purchased at 9pm on the day of a draw, they instantly make a back up of all the tickets and get them ready to search for the winning ticket (if there is one) at 9:05 when the draw takes place....



as for the credit card thing..... on the part of the machine that takes the slips in - where oyu drop it in, if you look on the front panel, there's this little lump near the top of it. If you know the machine this door opens up to clean the scanner...this lump is a credit card reader, in the future they will be using that for takign credit cards to pay for lottery tickets

 

[Brad]

Is a head-exam in order here??

This "idea" is far from original, among other things it reminds me of a lotto-program that a guy from Ontario has been peddling on the net (maybe still is) for $60. He claims he can show you how to hack into the lotto computers to change or validate a losing ticket into a winner by altering the 'serial number'.

All he does is direct you to a download of a free open-source project at SourceForge, some remote access terminal application. The whole thing is bogus, crap, a scam (I won't name the lotto-program).

Anyone trying to hack into the lottery ticket database simply cannot do so over the internet. The lotteries' computers which contain ticket info are not connected to the internet, no-one can access them that way.

That's where this whole "idea" goes up in flames ... not to mention it's illegal as hell in the first place.

Why anyone would even try to 'consult' the general public via this BB is beyond me ... even a beginner-hacker worth a bit of salt would know he's leaving a foot-print by posting here.

So even in the highly unlikely event that he is somehow successful in getting into the dedicated line, past all the security and password protections in the database, his trail starts right here!!

 

[PAB]

Hi 49er,

I Completely Agree with Brad's Comments and Logic.
If you are Intent on Pursuing this, I would Strongly Suggest that you Bounce it Off Several Satellites, Encode it, Use Somebody Else's Computer, and NOT Post Any Subsequent Comments to this Thread.

BTW, if you Win, I will have a VERY LARGE Crate of Lager Please .

All the Best.
PAB

 

[ROCKaMIC]

Do you even have a little knowledge about system security? lol

Dream as much as you want.

The only way would be to tap into the database just after the drawing create a ticket (in the database). Then to create the same ticket (physically) with a machine, correponding codebar, time, etc..

Then you would need to cover your tracks and everything...

Just forget about it lol, oh and they probably have their own protocol, encryption algorithm, etc.

Also, the database search for the winning ticket starts inmediatly after the drawing which would give you at most a few seconds to execute your plan.