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red0412303609

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ok heres a quirky thing- a number drawn in a lotto game is rarely repeated in the following game of the same lotto. ie if the number 17 was drawn in say lotto game 234 then in draw number 235 it is not repeated nor can u use stratergies such as doubling of that number- deduction theory I presume????
anyway this aussie loves scratching his head:)
 
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PAB

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Welcome to the Board red0412303609,

Here are the Statistics for Numbers Repeating from One Draw to the Next :-

Previous Numbers Combinations Percent Expected 1 in Every
0 Repeated 6,096,454 43.60% 2.29 Draws
1 Repeated 5,775,588 41.30% 2.42 Draws
2 Repeated 1,851,150 13.24% 7.55 Draws
3 Repeated 246,820 1.77% 56.66 Draws
4 Repeated 13,545 0.10% 1,032.40 Draws
5 Repeated 252 0.00% 55,491.33 Draws
5 + Bonus 6 0.00% 2,330,636.00 Draws
6 Repeated 1 0.00% 13,983,816.00 Draws
Totals > 13,983,816 100.00%

So there is a 41.30% Probability of AT LEAST One Number from a Previous Draw Appearing in the Next. Now if we could Determine which One of the 6 Numbers it would Most Likely be, we would be Turning it into a 548 Lotto and Reducing the Odds from 1 in 13,983,816 Combinations ( 649 ) to 1 in 1,712,304 Combinations ( 548 ). Now I like the Sound of that, if Only.

All the Best.
PAB
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red0412303609

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IN REGARDS TO STATISTICS

thanks for your statistics as to repeating numbers- I think I have hit a cord with youi in that respect. I purely based my assumptions on visual observations. But alas the mind is weaker than the memory. I smile knowing that you and I have an objective in hand , a common cause, to know is to win. OK I have been relagating coincidences of all sorts to establish an advantage and no matter how small it may be- it has to be an advantage. If winning was as easy as using strtergies then who ever breaks the CODE so to speak would be a God or someones toy:) anyway Im here to contribute as much as possible and to know even more.
More input is welcomed
yours sincerely
anthony.
 
Beaker

Beaker

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PAB said:
Welcome to the Board red0412303609,

Here are the Statistics for Numbers Repeating from One Draw to the Next :-

Previous Numbers Combinations Percent Expected 1 in Every
0 Repeated 6,096,454 43.60% 2.29 Draws
1 Repeated 5,775,588 41.30% 2.42 Draws
2 Repeated 1,851,150 13.24% 7.55 Draws
3 Repeated 246,820 1.77% 56.66 Draws
4 Repeated 13,545 0.10% 1,032.40 Draws
5 Repeated 252 0.00% 55,491.33 Draws
5 + Bonus 6 0.00% 2,330,636.00 Draws
6 Repeated 1 0.00% 13,983,816.00 Draws
Totals > 13,983,816 100.00%

So there is a 41.30% Probability of AT LEAST One Number from a Previous Draw Appearing in the Next. Now if we could Determine which One of the 6 Numbers it would Most Likely be, we would be Turning it into a 548 Lotto and Reducing the Odds from 1 in 13,983,816 Combinations ( 649 ) to 1 in 1,712,304 Combinations ( 548 ). Now I like the Sound of that, if Only.

All the Best.
PAB
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At least 1 number repeating is alot more than 41.3% according to your stats - more like 56.4%

red0412303609, if your lotto is 6/49 or 6+B/49 always include a number from the last draw and in fact make it your designated number (DN)/banker/power number :agree:
 
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PAB

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You are Quite Right Beaker, it was BAD Wording on my Part :agree:. It should have Read, there is a 41.30% Probability of ONE Number from a Previous Draw Appearing in the Next.
The Probability of AT LEAST ONE Number from a Previous Draw Appearing in the Next is 56.40%, this Equates to an Expected Appearance of 1 in Every 1.77 Draws.

All the Best.
PAB
:wavey:
 
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GillesD

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Repeat numbers

red0412303609

PAB has given you all the theorical values for any number repeating itself in the next draw. And if you look at all draws of Lotto 6/49 up to now, you will see that theorical values and actual results are very near. This can be seen in the following table listing first the numbers that are repeated, the theorical expected percentage and the actual percentage obtained after 2213 draws:

0 number: 43.6% theorical and actual: 43.4%
1 number: 41.3% theorical and actual: 41.0%
2 numbers: 13.2% theorical and actual: 13.7%
3 numbers: 1.8% theorical and actual: 1.8%
4 numbers: 0.10% theorical and actual: 0.05%
5 numbers: 0.00% theorical and actual: 0.00%
6 numbers: 0.00% theorical and actual: 0.00%

This data does not take into consideration the bonus number and the percentages for both 5-numbers and 6-numbers repeating are not really 0 but very small and more than 2 decimals would be needed.

As a matter of fact, the theorical values given do not apply only to consecutive draws. If your database is large enough, you can always expect theorical and actual values to be very near each other. This would true if you compare:
- combinations of lotto 6/49 coming out every second draw;
- combinations between Lotto 6/49 and Quebec 49 (or any oher 6/49 lottery) drawn on the same day of at any other time;
- combinations between Lotto 6/49 results and randomly generated combinations.
 
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PAB

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Just for Interest and Comparison, I have Replicated the Table by GillesD But with the UK Lotto 649 Data as at Draw 969 ( Wednesday the 6th of April 2005 ). The Bonus Number is NOT Included.

GillesD said:
red0412303609

PAB has given you all the theorical values for any number repeating itself in the next draw. And if you look at all draws of Lotto 6/49 up to now, you will see that theorical values and actual results are very near. This can be seen in the following table listing first the numbers that are repeated, the theorical expected percentage and the actual percentage obtained after 2213 draws:

0 number: 43.6% theorical and actual: 43.4%
1 number: 41.3% theorical and actual: 41.0%
2 numbers: 13.2% theorical and actual: 13.7%
3 numbers: 1.8% theorical and actual: 1.8%
4 numbers: 0.10% theorical and actual: 0.05%
5 numbers: 0.00% theorical and actual: 0.00%
6 numbers: 0.00% theorical and actual: 0.00%

This data does not take into consideration the bonus number and the percentages for both 5-numbers and 6-numbers repeating are not really 0 but very small and more than 2 decimals would
be needed.
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Here is the UK 649 Data :-

0 Numbers = 43.60% Theoretical and Actual = 43.60%
1 Numbers = 41.30% Theoretical and Actual = 40.39%
2 Numbers = 13.20% Theoretical and Actual = 14.46%
3 Numbers = 01.80% Theoretical and Actual = 01.45%
4 Numbers = 00.10% Theoretical and Actual = 00.10%
5 Numbers = 00.00% Theoretical and Actual = 00.00%
6 Numbers = 00.00% Theoretical and Actual = 00.00%

As you can see, the 0 Numbers and 4 Numbers are as Per the Expected.
The Biggest Difference is Reflected in 2 Numbers Being Repeated in Consecutive Draws.
This Does Prove Interesting Considering the Total Draws to Date, 969 for the UK and 2,213 Draws for the Canadian.

All the Best.
PAB
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red0412303609

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good stuff

once again- thanks guys for your input. Its nice to see actual and theoritical input here to summise a list. Even thou I visually look for co incidences and have many items of software including Gail howards latest stuff, I cant help but wonder if the solution really lies in the all too obvious basket- I know that there are quirky waves of randomness inscribed into everything there is and there has just gotta be an edge we can exploit??So for now I purely rely on probabilities and co incidences-- I have tried programs that allow numbers to be followed after a draw and its sometime helpful-- something like follow the leader I guess. there are so many ways to get some GOOD numbers to play so I guess it boils down to good planning and luck- dear ole lady luck, so if u guys care to enliten me as to other methods then I am all ears.
PS... my Gail Howard software was running really good in Windows 98 but I cant seem to get it running in Windows XP-- can u help me with some suggestions please.
pss. I live in Sunny Perth Western Australia-- home of the swans:)
onya guys,!!!!!
 
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Francis Isaac

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PAB said:
Just for Interest and Comparison, I have Replicated the Table by GillesD But with the UK Lotto 649 Data as at Draw 969 ( Wednesday the 6th of April 2005 ). The Bonus Number is NOT Included.



Hi PAB,

Have you got all the Canadian Lottery draws? If you have, I will like to do some work on it please.

Francis.
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Francis Isaac

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Re: good stuff

red0412303609 said:
Hi Red0412303609,

Coincidence only occur when the lottery is played by a random means. There are other ways to play the lottery which will not yield a coincidence results but will yield a result which is expected, like five plus the bonus number and/or the jackpot for example.

Mathematical coincidence is what we scientist like to call luck because it does not take anything like your colour, poverty,age or how many children you need to feed or how poor you are into consideration.

Francis.
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GillesD

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Data on Canadian Lotto 6/49

Francis Isaac

One place where you can get all results for the Canadian Lotto 6/49 is www.bclc.com (or British Columbia Lottery Commission).

From this site, you can get a self-extracting file (.CSV format) that can be read into Excel. You will have all results since the lottery started in June 1982. With 2214 draws, you can get fairly representative statistics for a 6/49 lottery.

This can then be compared to all 13,983,816 combinations for expected values.
 
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thornc

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Gilles,
Can you please remember me what is the formula to calculate those theoretical values?

Thanks in advance....
 
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Francis Isaac

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Re: Data on Canadian Lotto 6/49

Hi Giles,

Thanks for that information, I will get on it straight away.

He who persevere to understand and study nature never fail.
 
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GillesD

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Theorical values for repeating numbers

thornc

You will find below the formula used to determine the number of combinations that have from 0 to 6 repeating numbers.

0 number: COMBIN(43,6)*COMBIN(6,0)
1 number: COMBIN(43,5)*COMBIN(6,1)
2 numbers: COMBIN(43,4)*COMBIN(6,2)
3 numbers: COMBIN(43,3)*COMBIN(6,3)
4 numbers: COMBIN(43,2)*COMBIN(6,4)
5 numbers: COMBIN(43,1)*COMBIN(6,5)
6 numbers: COMBIN(43,0)*COMBIN(6,6)

To find each individual percentage, just divide each value by COMBIN(49,6).

To understand the formula, let's take the formula for 2 numbers repeating:
- COMBIN(43,4) gives the possible combinations of 4 numbers taken from the 43 numbers that do not repeat (or 123,410);
- COMBIN(6,2) gives the possible combinations of 2 numbers taken from the 6 numbers that could repeat (or 15);
- when multiplying the two values, it gives the overall numbers of combinations for 2 numbers repeating (or 1,851,150);
- and by dividing that number by COMBIN(49,6) or 13,983,816, you get the theorical percentage of 13.24%.
 
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red0412303609

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so true francis

Coincidence is at least a step forward and predicability another one so far. With each step a new path is taken. I am sure that like most things in life the knowledge we seek in predicting is so close so simple yet so unknown in full to us at the moment.
In time it will reveal itself- so lets speed the clock up guys-- I have dreams u know :):) lol
 
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thornc

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So Gilles something like:

N = 49
K = 6
M = [0..6]

Rp = C(N-K,M)*C(K,M)

Where C is COMBIN in Excell or
C = ( N! ) / ( (N-K)!*K! ) in math talk...
 
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tomtom

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Re: Re: Data on Canadian Lotto 6/49

Francis Isaac said:
He who persevere to understand and study nature never fail.
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Hey Francis, just wonder if this phrase is Del Boy’s, Rodney’s or Uncle Albert’s?
 
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