Totoloto.. PT lottory...

thornc

Member
Last week the Portugueese lottery hit the lowest ever combination I remember....
1 11 12 13 17 21 + 39

Strange, the sum is 75! And the width 20!
And for those that like that other stuff, 4 numbers in a 1? group and all low numbers...

The funniest thing is that someone won with this draw!

I remember some theory on 6/49 lotto (from Ion Saliu's site) that said that when the sum of a draw was less than 80(90?) somewhere in the next 10 draws there would be an occasion where the maximum number would be 35... the pt lotto fits this profile and I'll be testing it in the next few weeks!!

Any comments?
 
thornc said:
Last week the Portugueese lottery hit the lowest ever combination I remember....
1 11 12 13 17 21 + 39

Strange, the sum is 75! And the width 20!
And for those that like that other stuff, 4 numbers in a 1? group and all low numbers...

The funniest thing is that someone won with this draw!

I remember some theory on 6/49 lotto (from Ion Saliu's site) that said that when the sum of a draw was less than 80(90?) somewhere in the next 10 draws there would be an occasion where the maximum number would be 35... the pt lotto fits this profile and I'll be testing it in the next few weeks!!

Any comments?
O:K:Here they are for your next draw 9 goodies...
08-11-12-13-14-21-22-38-39

Hints...Hints...38-39
:kaioken: :kaioken:
 
You have to expect some hits from these open pairs...And have you ever heard about the announcers theory...???Have I seen this before such a low draw I would have told you that the following one had to go high as it was the case 6 numbers over 20... :agree2:
 

thornc

Member
Dennis Bassboss said:
You have to expect some hits from these open pairs...And have you ever heard about the announcers theory...???Have I seen this before such a low draw I would have told you that the following one had to go high as it was the case 6 numbers over 20... :agree2:
Well, I don't know that announcers theory...care to run it by me!

And btw in the next draw(this saterday) the numbers were:
4 23 32 37 44 47 + 27
5 over 20!!
 
thornc said:
Well, I don't know that announcers theory...care to run it by me!

And btw in the next draw(this saterday) the numbers were:
4 23 32 37 44 47 + 27
5 over 20!!
Wrong the bonus was also over 20 pals.... :agree:
 
I do have your history...as this sample will show...

11-02-2002 01 07 13 19 29 36 (27)
11-04-2002 08 13 31 38 43 45 (40)
11-09-2002 06 19 22 25 28 33 (05)
11-11-2002 12 13 39 42 44 46 (01)
11-16-2002 10 13 21 26 33 36 (17)
11-18-2002 03 11 15 25 26 40 (02)
11-23-2002 04 18 35 36 43 44 (06)
11-25-2002 08 16 28 38 39 46 (19)
11-30-2002 07 19 22 33 34 47 (13)
12-02-2002 14 16 27 33 42 45 (04)
12-07-2002 19 24 26 32 36 47 (49)
12-09-2002 02 15 26 35 39 46 (27)
12-14-2002 03 11 13 38 40 47 (18)
12-16-2002 08 25 29 34 42 46 (17)
12-21-2002 21 28 30 33 37 43 (25)
12-23-2002 04 14 21 26 37 39 (46)
12-28-2002 15 21 27 28 37 40 (34)
12-30-2002 02 20 21 26 32 47 (06)
01-04-2003 03 09 17 26 28 41 (32)
01-06-2003 06 09 19 32 35 46 (33)
01-11-2003 01 02 17 19 43 47 (26)
01-13-2003 12 14 23 29 31 45 (07)
01-18-2003 03 10 14 24 34 35 (19)
01-20-2003 01 08 14 21 37 44 (26)
01-25-2003 21 22 26 31 38 39 (19)
01-27-2003 01 11 12 13 17 21 (39)
02-01-2003 04 23 32 37 44 47 (27)
 

thornc

Member
...

Dennis you're really a lotto globetrotter!

Now, what about that announcers theory... can you please explain it to me...
 

Rebeckah

Member
Last week the Portugueese lottery hit the lowest ever combination I remember....
1 11 12 13 17 21 + 39
Leave it to the Texas Lotto to be even more screwy!

On 9-5-01 (6/54 data only) game #119
hit 1-9-10-14-15-18 with a sum of 67 span of 17
:dizzy:
There's actually a couple more games like that & I had debated about removing them & creating a new database, but that'll hafta wait till I get more time.

just for giggles I checked our history & found 4 games that had FIVE #s in one decade! Example is game #216:
21-40-41-43-48-49
these are the actual #s drawn. As for sums, the lowest sum in ten games before that draw was 108 and the lowest in ten games after it was 130. Antipode draws of this sort happened four times {6/50 + 6/54 data}. 1 in 20s & 30s each & 2 in 40s.

As for four hits in one decade, that's happened 45 times out of 1066 games. {4% of the time}. But in the data for the new game only {267 games} 4 of same decade hitting happened 7 times {5 hits=0) 1% of the time. Interesting to see.

Another wild thing is that we had a run of 4 hits in one decade in games: 645, 644, & 643. That crazeee Texas Lotto!
:dizzy:


BTW thornc, announcers are also known as trailing #s, they're #s that follow last draws winners the most. Look in the Lotto Glossary (button at page bottom) for more info.
 
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Rebeckah

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thornc said:
I remember some theory on 6/49 lotto (from Ion Saliu's site) that said that when the sum of a draw was less than 80(90?) somewhere in the next 10 draws there would be an occasion where the maximum number would be 35...

checking TX Lotto history I found this to be relatively true, even within 5 games! {for the 80 sum, not the 90 tho.) Thanks for sharing these tidbits, I love learning new ways to analyze my data. & I wish more of us would discuss our techniques for picking #S:) :D
 

thornc

Member
Re: Re: Totoloto.. PT lottory...

Rebeckah said:
checking TX Lotto history I found this to be relatively true, even within 5 games! {for the 80 sum, not the 90 tho.) Thanks for sharing these tidbits, I love learning new ways to analyze my data. & I wish more of us would discuss our techniques for picking #S:) :D
Heck I thougth the reason we had forums like this one, was to share and discuss our techniques/knowledge in order to improve them and hit the big "Cash Cow" :cow: , that's the term you use isn't it?

Since I have some software coding abilities I go behond and I share some of my program in order to improve them and to allow others to benifict from them...

I don't understand the idea of hiding this stuff! It's not like the majority of the world's (or a single country's) lotto player will be able to win and lower the earnings!!

In fact, some time ago I saw some news about some spaniards that had a system that consistently hit 5in6 in their lottery... they shared some ideas about it, but that didn't change their earnings...
 
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thornc said:
Dennis you're really a lotto globetrotter!

Now, what about that announcers theory... can you please explain it to me...
It is rather long and painful to explain...but to resume it lets say the 12-14 pair hit on one draw...by searching the history of what has hit after that pair everytime it hit you would be able to notice that some numbers are hitting more often than others after that pair...now with any winning combination you get for a 6/49 draw these pairs possibility...
01___02___03___04___05___06___07___

01___02___
01___03___
01___04___
01___05___
01___06___
01___07___
02___03___
02___04___
02___05___
02___06___
02___07___
03___04___
03___05___
03___06___
03___07___
04___05___
04___06___
04___07___
05___06___
05___07___
06___07___
by searching all about their past history you get many draws and many hits by all the numbers but still some numbers are hitting more than others...you can see it on a grid...
Example...
Here are the announced numbers formed by the possible pairs from the last winning set . The total number of announced draws=536
-------------With bonus––---------------
The ways the numbers showed up....
the last-----------last------------last--–
536 draws------100 draws-----25 draws–––-10 draws

31=99 times---36=27 times–-40=10 times–-48=04 times
47=94 times---34=22 times–-07=08 times–-40=03 times
18=88 times---03=20 times–-28=07 times–-37=03 times
07=88 times---12=19 times–-48=06 times–-30=03 times
39=87 times---11=19 times–-37=06 times–-29=03 times
34=87 times---45=18 times–-36=06 times–-28=03 times
41=84 times---44=18 times–-08=06 times–-26=03 times
27=84 times---37=18 times–-06=06 times–-11=03 times
46=83 times---40=17 times–-03=06 times–-43=02 times
20=83 times---20=17 times–-47=05 times–-36=02 times
36=82 times---10=17 times–-44=05 times–-33=02 times
32=82 times---05=17 times–-33=05 times–-24=02 times
04=82 times---47=16 times–-01=05 times–-16=02 times
43=81 times---33=16 times–-39=04 times–-09=02 times
45=80 times---25=16 times–-30=04 times–-08=02 times
40=80 times---24=16 times–-26=04 times–-07=02 times
12=80 times---08=16 times–-24=04 times–-06=02 times
44=79 times---48=15 times–-16=04 times–-05=02 times
37=79 times---32=15 times–-13=04 times–-04=02 times
21=79 times---28=15 times–-11=04 times–-03=02 times
23=78 times---39=14 times–-02=04 times–-02=02 times
16=78 times---27=14 times–-49=03 times–-47=01 time
42=77 times---26=14 times–-46=03 times–-46=01 time
26=76 times---23=14 times–-43=03 times–-45=01 time
11=76 times---13=14 times–-35=03 times–-42=01 time
01=76 times---04=14 times–-34=03 times–-41=01 time
28=75 times---01=14 times–-31=03 times–-39=01 time
48=74 times---49=13 times–-29=03 times–-38=01 time
33=74 times---43=13 times–-27=03 times–-35=01 time
30=74 times---29=13 times–-12=03 times–-34=01 time
25=74 times---16=13 times–-10=03 times–-31=01 time
10=74 times---07=13 times–-09=03 times–-27=01 time
09=74 times---06=13 times–-05=03 times–-25=01 time
49=73 times---02=13 times–-04=03 times–-20=01 time
29=73 times---42=12 times–-41=02 times–-19=01 time
02=73 times---31=12 times–-38=02 times–-17=01 time
17=72 times---22=12 times–-32=02 times–-14=01 time
14=72 times---19=12 times–-25=02 times–-13=01 time
05=72 times---46=11 times–-21=02 times–-12=01 time
03=71 times---41=11 times–-20=02 times–-10=01 time
38=70 times---18=11 times–-19=02 times–-49=00 time
19=70 times---14=11 times–-18=02 times–-44=00 time
08=68 times---35=10 times–-17=02 times–-32=00 time
13=67 times---15=10 times–-45=01 time-––23=00 time
22=66 times---09=10 times–-42=01 time-––22=00 time
35=65 times---30=09 times–-22=01 time-––21=00 time
24=65 times---21=09 times–-15=01 time-––18=00 time
06=63 times---17=09 times–-14=01 time-––15=00 time
15=51 times---38=08 times–-23=00 time-––01=00 time

Now what is funny is that the less announced numbers lets say from the last ten draws (00 and 01 hit) usually comes up much more than the other ones in the very next draw...
Now by dividing these by time frame ( number of times that they have hit from different numbers of draws) you can see if some are more incline to hit than others....
We can do this with single numbers and also with triple...
Alone it is not a perfect tool...but joined with the hot/cold...odd/even...prime numbers...high /low...LD...Decades...Etc. It becomes a very powerfull tool....And very often on target...
:agree:
 

thornc

Member
Interesting...

This is somehow similar to Saliu's "Wonder Grid"... not much but still similar!

Saliu's theory is based on pairings... the idea is that the best pairs tend to repeat themselves! In some occasions this grid give wonderfull results, but most of the times it doesn't...

I'll have to look into that announcers theory more carefully, perhaps I can find the time to code something to analyse the data files in order to aumate the process...

What's the best span to look at, I mean. If a pair drawned today, how many draws ahead should I look into??
 
Re: Interesting...

thornc said:
This is somehow similar to Saliu's "Wonder Grid"... not much but still similar!

Saliu's theory is based on pairings... the idea is that the best pairs tend to repeat themselves! In some occasions this grid give wonderfull results, but most of the times it doesn't...

I'll have to look into that announcers theory more carefully, perhaps I can find the time to code something to analyse the data files in order to aumate the process...

What's the best span to look at, I mean. If a pair drawned today, how many draws ahead should I look into??
That depends ...What I do is that I also sort out all the numbers that usually comes with the pairs...
example
Canada 6/49 history of the 20-43 pair…(bonus included)

Draws–––––numbers–––––––bonus––-skips
0004––03 09 10 13 20 43 (34)––-003
0012–-11 17 19 20 36 43 (09)––-007
0063–-09 12 20 21 37 43 (49)––-050
0064–-09 16 18 20 26 43 (38)–––000
0101–-06 16 19 20 25 43 (40)––-036
0114–-05 06 10 20 40 43 (26)––-012
0142–-01 02 07 09 20 43 (33)––-027
0154–-19 21 32 39 43 45 (20)––-011
0216–-20 22 30 43 46 48 (44)––-061
0220–-07 12 13 14 35 43 (20)––-003
0243–-20 25 36 39 43 45 (26)––-022
0258–-07 17 20 30 33 43 (39)––-014
0455–-02 20 24 34 43 49 (41)––-196
0470–-12 14 20 33 38 43 (18)––-014
0474–-05 28 29 32 43 45 (20)––-003
0513–-03 10 20 30 44 49 (43)––-038
0528–-06 09 11 17 20 27 (43)––-014
0594–-05 20 26 39 45 46 (43)––-065
0607–-02 20 27 29 41 43 (16)––-012
0613–-20 24 32 36 41 43 (30)––-005
0650–-11 24 39 41 43 45 (20)––-036
0654–-12 20 22 28 36 43 (32)––-003
0688–-14 20 25 43 44 46 (33)––-033
0699–-17 20 36 40 43 47 (26)––-010
0705–-01 09 14 20 43 48 (44)––-005
0774–-20 24 35 36 40 45 (43)––-068
0781–-02 08 09 20 23 43 (04)––-006
0824–-17 18 20 29 31 43 (02)––-042
0844–-01 12 20 25 29 43 (37)––-019
0876–-20 21 32 39 42 43 (47)––-031
0887–-16 20 22 31 40 43 (42)––-010
0924–-10 19 20 35 38 43 (48)––-036
0939–-11 12 18 20 36 43 (44)––-014
0946–-12 16 17 20 34 39 (43)––-006
0966–-08 20 30 38 41 43 (16)––-019
0985–-12 18 27 29 31 43 (20)––-018
0999–-20 22 37 42 43 46 (24)––-013
1033–-11 25 28 29 33 43 (20)––-033
1069–-10 20 26 35 42 43 (48)––-035
1112–-04 20 31 35 43 46 (36)––-042
1127–-06 19 20 31 43 48 (33)––-014
1163–-01 08 22 34 38 43 (20)––-035
1207–-19 20 28 30 31 43 (35)––-043
1229–-02 20 22 30 33 43 (42)––-021
1230–-20 30 40 41 43 44 (32)––-000
1296–-03 28 36 37 43 47 (20)––-065
1301–-11 20 21 26 39 43 (01)––-004
1319–-12 14 20 21 39 43 (48)––-017
1362–-20 21 25 31 43 45 (02)––-042
1387–-08 20 23 25 36 43 (35)––-024
1397–-20 21 22 34 36 43 (06)––-009
1475–-03 06 08 30 40 43 (20)––-077
1497–-04 09 15 20 37 43 (47)––-021
1502–-12 16 20 27 43 44 (41)––-004
1540–-19 20 21 27 34 43 (03)––-037
1554–-10 11 20 29 43 45 (39)––-013
1591–-13 20 22 32 39 43 (05)––-036
1613–-12 16 20 26 43 44 (24)––-021
1646–-18 20 27 34 39 43 (21)––-032
1650–-05 14 20 22 40 43 (38)––-003
1673–-08 20 34 36 41 43 (31)––-022
1791–-04 20 21 27 42 47 (43)––-117
1804–-19 20 23 39 40 43 (47)––-012
1852–-09 10 22 38 43 44 (20)––-047
1883–-01 05 14 15 20 43 (32)––-030
1893–-12 14 20 23 43 47 (03)––-009
1938–-14 20 22 41 43 49 (16)––-044
And by looking at what numbers are most often coming with the pairs you can deduct some potential good pairing...
But it is quite different than Ion Saliu pair system because I also have a software that does it for single hitter ...And I do not look specificaly at pairs only but sets of numbers in a whole ...tough I also tend to match the best pairing possible...
 
And I am using only for the very next draw...Because after another hit by other numbers all the announcers are changed....But there's even more to it...Like the 15-01-02 in the Canadian 6/49 ....When Beaker and I see the 15 followed by the 02 or/and the 01 we both know that a high draw is coming...And we predicted these on numerous occasions...Winhunter is calling them trigger....I call them announcers... :agree:
 

thornc

Member
Dennis

Btw from the goodies you posted above the pair 13,14 hit this night!!
The draw was:
10 13 14 17 46 49 + 31

49 hadn't hit in a while so I guess someone must have won something using it!

I'm getting ready to test that sum theory on the next 4 to 8 draws!
 
Re: Dennis

thornc said:
Btw from the goodies you posted above the pair 13,14 hit this night!!
The draw was:
10 13 14 17 46 49 + 31

49 hadn't hit in a while so I guess someone must have won something using it!

I'm getting ready to test that sum theory on the next 4 to 8 draws!
Yes always got to watch for these open pairs...38-39 are still in play for the next draw...4 from the teens is also kind of:clown: don't you think so? I was close on hitting 3 right there!
I'm going to follow it closely too it is interesting!!
:agree2:
 

Beaker

Member
Re: Interesting...

thornc said:
This is somehow similar to Saliu's "Wonder Grid"... not much but still similar!

Saliu's theory is based on pairings... the idea is that the best pairs tend to repeat themselves! In some occasions this grid give wonderfull results, but most of the times it doesn't...

I'll have to look into that announcers theory more carefully, perhaps I can find the time to code something to analyse the data files in order to aumate the process...

What's the best span to look at, I mean. If a pair drawned today, how many draws ahead should I look into??
I saw this at Ion's site long ago - he was discussing this with someone. We had been going through this long before. It's not only pairs, it can be triples/quads and not only last draw but many draws back. Take Ion's theory about numbers repeating for the optimum span. I use 10 draws primarily and also like to look 21 draws back.
Don't forget, Canada's 6/49 has 1986 data points{draws}. I don't think there is another lotto in the world with that kind of history. :no: - that I have seen.:notme:
 
Re: Re: Interesting...

Beaker said:
I saw this at Ion's site long ago - he was discussing this with someone. We had been going through this long before. It's not only pairs, it can be triples/quads and not only last draw but many draws back. Take Ion's theory about numbers repeating for the optimum span. I use 10 draws primarily and also like to look 21 draws back.
Don't forget, Canada's 6/49 has 1986 data points{draws}. I don't think there is another lotto in the world with that kind of history. :no: - that I have seen.:notme:
I agree with Beaker here it is much..much..different from Ion's pairing system...!! :agree2:
 

thornc

Member
What I mean by similar is that you use pairs or something like that to select future numbers. Saliu's grid joins all of the lotto numbers with their best pairs to create the grid.

If you look at it closely you'll realise that the analysis behind both strategy is quite similar! (Ok, from a programmers point of view is quite similar)

And Beaker, Portugueese lottory has close to 1500 draws in its history! Problem is that the current format 6/49 has only close to 1200 if you count both weekly draws as being part of the same lottery! So I'm fortunate that I also have lots of draws to analyse and look for trends!!

And better yet! We have access to the full history! Sorted and Unsorted! :p: which is perfect for some kind of analysis!!
 
thornc said:
What I mean by similar is that you use pairs or something like that to select future numbers. Saliu's grid joins all of the lotto numbers with their best pairs to create the grid.

If you look at it closely you'll realise that the analysis behind both strategy is quite similar! (Ok, from a programmers point of view is quite similar)

And Beaker, Portugueese lottory has close to 1500 draws in its history! Problem is that the current format 6/49 has only close to 1200 if you count both weekly draws as being part of the same lottery! So I'm fortunate that I also have lots of draws to analyse and look for trends!!

And better yet! We have access to the full history! Sorted and Unsorted! :p: which is perfect for some kind of analysis!!
You do not understand....It is light years ahead of Ion Saliu's pairing system....If you'll look at it closely..You're the one that will realize that it is not the same at all...Programmer or not..And like Beaker's said we were on it from a very...very long time ago... :agree:
 
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