Rigged or not

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falcon

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Hi there
Just joined and popped in to say hello.

The UK lottery has been going for more than 8yrs now and even in the early stages I had that incling of suspicion about the way the lotto draw was carried out.

You can't buy a ticket after 6.30pm on the night od the draw and the draw doesn't take place untill 8pm, so in that 90 minutes does a super computer [Camelot can easily afford one] workout who "alone" has a winning ticket or if there isn't one at all giving a rollover.

I came across this forum while searching for a "lottery syndicate program". Something similar to the UK lottery syndicate at Virtual World Direct. But at present all I can find is a load of programs that want to pick my winning numbers for me. I do believe that a group or syndicate have far more chance of winning something rather than nothing at all.

Anyway "I'll be back". :wavey:
 
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falcon

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Televised

Yes Beaker, they are televised to a fashion. When the lottery was first introduced here in the UK there was an invited audiance in the television studio.

But in the last two or three years there is only clapping and cheering in the background. No visible people.

The actual draws have a camera close-up on the draw machine, but who's to say that the draw is in real time or that the draw we are seeing now has not already been drawn at some time previously and been edited to reflect a computers findings. :confused:
 
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thornc

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Don't you have some kind of control institution, checking the draw!


In portugueese draws (and in italians), during the draws (which are televise) there is a group of people from a regulator office controlling the job of the lotto employees!!
 
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falcon

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Who's watching the watcher

Yes Thornc, there's an adjudicator that watches each draw but its not an independant adjudicator.

A few years ago it was a woman named Sharon Fleet (she's been gone for some time now) and she was employed by a subsiduary of Camelot.

So she wasn't that independant was she.

Now its just a bloke with a clip-board and a biro.
 
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powerball

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The UK and US drawings seems much better than Canada. The Canadian drawings are closed off and not televised live. Sometimes they show a taped drawing, but the balls have already been drawn. So for all we know, the few people present in the draw can collude to pick out their ticket selection and the videotape will show their chosen balls. Unlike other lotteries and contests with higher standards, EVERYBODY in Canada is allowed to play and win, including lottery employees, auditors, retailers and other insiders. :eek:
 
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Snowy

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Rigged??

Hey falcon i think you are being a bit imaginative...your mind must be working overtime and you must be awfully desperate if you think it is rigged, it's impossible, and anyway if you asked someone who had won would they think it is rigged in some way...i think not.

Calm down and start thinking straight....

How much money would you be prepared to pay into a syndicate for each draw?

Tim.

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peter

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powerball said:
EVERYBODY in Canada is allowed to play and win, including lottery employees, auditors, retailers and other insiders.
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This is an incorrect statement. If you are an employee of a gaming commision, you are not allowed to play in the casino, play bingo, or purchase lottery tickets of any kind, at least that is the case in Alberta.
 
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powerball

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I think a lottery syndicate was involved in Canada's biggest ever jackpot of $37.8 million on May 17, 2002. Sales for last Friday's $32.5 million jackpot was $78 million, but the sales in May was a record $102 million! The syndicate had to spend at least $42 million to cover all 62.9 million combinations. But with the jackpot being split to only $9.46 million each, the syndicate would have lost millions of dollars.
 
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peter

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I can't think of any business that would spend 42 mil, in order to make 37 mil, sounds dumb to me., think about it.
 
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powerball

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Each of the 5 lottery corporations may have differing rules, but as far as I know in Ontario, OLGC employees and affiliated parties are not prohibited from winning their own lotteries. There have been many cases where a lottery retailer sold a winning ticket to himself, or a customer complained that the retailer stole their winning ticket.

As any government official should know, even if there is no ACTUAL conflict of interest, it is just as important that there be no PERCEIVED conflict of interest. As a US lottery agency said, eligibility stipulations aside, it would be pretty difficult to explain to the public how an employee just won the $30 million jackpot.

peter said:
If you are an employee of a gaming commision, you are not allowed to play in the casino, play bingo, or purchase lottery tickets of any kind, at least that is the case in Alberta.
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peter

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At least now you are saying each gaming body, may have differing rules, earlier , you stated "everyone in Canada"
I pointed out the rules for Alberta, I cannot comment on the others and make a generalized statement, because I'm not familiar with the other agencies.
I can however speak for Alberta's rules as fact.
 
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peter

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powerball said:
OLGC employees and affiliated parties are not prohibited from winning their own lotteries. There have been many cases where a lottery retailer sold a winning ticket to himself, or a customer complained that the retailer stole their winning ticket.
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A retailer is not an employee of the gaming commision.
 
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powerball

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It may not have been a full $42 million syndicate, but it is obvious that Canadian lottery sales go crazy when the jackpot goes high. There have been many times when all 30 million Canadian men, women and children spent an average of more than $1 on a draw, while that has never happened in the US. It seems that many pools and individuals go crazy with their wheeling "strategies" and "invested" way too much in trying to cover as many combinations as possible even if the maximum jackpot is less than the corresponding odds.

peter said:
I can't think of any business that would spend 42 mil, in order to make 37 mil, sounds dumb to me., think about it.
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peter

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powerball said:
it is obvious that Canadian lottery sales go crazy when the jackpot goes high.
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No kidding!!!.... I would have never quessed that, thx for the insight.
I look forward to your numbers in the picks section.
 
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peter

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powerball said:
It may not have been a full $42 million syndicate,
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You seem to do alot of backtracking on your statements.
I quess in reading your posts, one would have to separate the fact from fiction.
 
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