Positional Skip System

Hello everyone,

This idea first started as a lotto based system, but the programming for it was done by a Pick3 friend.
The results were fair, but Pick3 is hard game in terms of return, so I was not able to make any consistent profit with it.
In fact, compared to other games, there were better options worth the effort giving the player a better payout.
I much more prefer to use this system as a lotto tool, then to use it as something you can rely on when used with good money management.

It's been on hold because I was tired of doing all the calculations manualy while I was aware there were going to be so many more options if computerized.
So for all you people out there that are curious, Ill give a short explanation:

The system is based on skips, but more the positional skips of the numbers going back per skip, each in its "skip grid". I also included 2 Mediafire downloadlinks where you can see the excel...

When you open the Excel, you'll see around 20 grids, each having the latest pick 3 results, most recent on the bottom.

I use a specific skip pattern for each grid from the first grid = skip 0 to the last grid on the far right of the page = skip 20.

The first grid relates to skip 0.
So I take the most recent draw and go back one draw to see if any numbers match. If there is a zero skip then I write the number in the position it has shown in the zero skipped draw, which is the draw before, because there is 0 skip between the recent draw and the previous draw.
I do this to evey draw in the grid of skipping 0.


The second grid relates to skip 1.
So I take the most recent draw again and go back 2 draws, so I have 1 skip in between and see if any numbers match in the recent game and the 2nd games before that. Again I'll mark or write down the number(s) that matches in the position of the skipped game.

Please look at at the grids, I do this for every grid from skipping zero games to skipping around 20 games.

You'll see 2 little green bars in each grid indicating the 2 games to look at in proportion, and left of each grid a number-count to match each game to its correspondant.

After I have done this for all grids I'll mark a green vertical zone to indicicate which positional skip has gone most due. In pick 3 I'll mark everything that has gone missing more than 5 times.

Then I take all these numbers and mark their appearances on the far left.
In this example, number 5 is very due on 2 seperate occasions (on 2 different grids = skips 5 and 8), so I sure play that number, but now lets take the weight of all our numbers, and I am left with 8 numbers.

I apply it on Belgian lotto 6/45 as well. Then I adjust the green zone to everything thats due for more than 15-20 games.
Its a lot of work to do this manualy...

Doing this positional skipping a few months ago has brought up some new ideas, applicable on the same principal: we can even add more than 20 grids and look for the most matching numbers by weight to come to our chosen pool of numbers.

We can also group some lotto numbers (Vtracs) and see what patterns come out of that, and so on.

The idea is just a platform that uses positions instead of actual numbers, then after each game they're being represented by different numbers. Like this we're not chasing numbers, but rather a representation of the number itself.
I used to get some very good keynumbers with this tracking and I was always looking forward to see 1 to 3 keynumbers hit shortly after analyzing the grids.

Please, let me know what you think of this and get back to me whenever you can.

Potional skips the whole file:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?h4ba4xt3zcumair

skip grids: short explanation on how to read them:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?dfz1egpf7sfff8u



Thanks and hope to read you soon.


Bob
 
I verified the links, but the excel looks horrible using Mediafire. If anyone knows a solution to this, please let me know.

Regards,
Bob
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bob,

foreverbob said:
...but the programming for it was done by a Pick3 friend.
I have downloaded the two Excel files from MediaFire.
Unfortunately, the data is pure values, it doesn't include ANY formulas or VBA code that your programming friend had done.
This is particularly needed in order to fully understand what values are derived from where etc, otherwise this project will start off as being very complicated in trying to fully understand your explanation of what it is you exactly want.
I think that the initial understanding part of this is crucial because I assume from your post in the other thread that this is to be for the Belgium 645 Lotto based system, and that the Pick3 data you posted in purely to show what strategy you would like to incorporate?

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 
PAB,

The excel is just to show what it is about. There are no formulas, only what I've done manualy.
If you understand how the grids are read, than you understand the whole concept more or less.
I'd love to give you more for you to understand. So if you have some questions, I'll be happy to answer any.
Yes, the example is based upon PICK3, easier to follow. If you need lotto data, I can upload that as well, but it will look even more complicated because of the extra numbers and the grids being larger.
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bob,

I have had a look at the Excel file and the 0 Skips.
I think I am following what you are doing but could you answer me one question please.
Where does the number 9 in cell K225 come from. I understand the others?

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bob,

I also noticed that there is a figure omitted in cell L214?

Anyway, here is your file with ALL the 0 Skips updated using formulas. Please tell me if I am on the right track.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?drox8fx5un0br5w

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 
Hi PAB,

In the first grid we track skip 0.
The most due skip is indicated by a green bar showing consecutive non hits on that position (0 skipwise).
So the first position is due = the first number out of a pick3 combination in this case.
If we set this due 0 skip into the next future draw:
then we get our number "9".

992 was the last draw.
1st position is due.
0 skip means that we go back 1 draw to get our number in 1st position: ie 9.

Outcome was 375, 9 was not a winner there.
So still a due 0 skip and our next due number for this grid will be number 3.

Hope you understand.

Bob
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bob,

You have not downloaded and looked at the first file yet!!!

Here is your file with the 1 Skips updated for ALL using formulas.
I am having a job agreeing with some of your data entries so will you check this file carefully and tell me if there is anything wrong and why please.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?in6dqc296c2poko

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

Icewynd

Member
Hi Bob,

I have also downloaded the file. Can you confirm that my understanding is correct?

- If a number repeats from the last draw you enter it into the Skip 0 grid (columns K-M). The column that the number is placed in corresponds to the original position of the repeating digit, not the repeat position. Eg, if 305 in row 200 is followed by 136 then you would enter a '3' in column K in row 201. So the code in columns K-M would instruct the program to look for a match in the previous game and to enter the matching digit in the column in which it originated?

This is done for repeats from last game (0), second last game (1), etc. up to repeats from 20 games prior to the most recent.

I not sure I understand the green bar, though. You say this indicates the most due position. Was the information in cell K226 entered before the draw of 9/25?

Also, it seems that if 2 positions are tied for most due, you don't enter a value in the green bar?

Also, why do you use the original position, not the positon of the repeat (eg, in my example above, why not enter the 3 in column L)?
 
PAB,

Is there a way we could exchange these files not using mediafire? They look very uncomfortable and maybe its better we work it out together and then find an easier way to upload a cleaner version for the others.
I know we may not display email addresses here, but Bloubol is friend of mine and he has my email, if you have his, we can get in touch.
Hope to hear from you soon, so I can update this thread then.

Bob.
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bob,

What are the figures in columns O, X, AG... etc, are they significant???
You can vastly reduce the output and file size if you didn't use the drawn numbers over and over again, i.e. once for each Skip criteria!!!

Edit: I think that this discussion should be kept within this thread.
The reason for this is that other members can contribute if they so wish.
What other method of uploading are you thinking of?

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

Icewynd

Member
PAB said:
What are the figures in columns O, X, AG... etc, are they significant???
You can vastly reduce the output and file size if you didn't use the drawn numbers over and over again, i.e. once for each Skip criteria!!!

PAB, the figures in columns O, X, AG, etc. are just the number of skips -- so
0,1 for the Skip 1 grid, 0,1,2 for skip 2, etc. They aren't always in sorted order, which is a bit confusing.

PAB said:
Edit: I think that this discussion should be kept within this thread.
The reason for this is that other members can contribute if they so wish.
What other method of uploading are you thinking of?
I concur. I would rather have this kept on the board. I think that you will get better results if you have a broader base of potential comments.

BTW, my download file looked just like regular Excel. I can't see anything unusual about the appearance of the file.
 

PAB

Member
Hi Icewynd,

Icewynd said:
...the figures in columns O, X, AG, etc. are just the number of skips -- so, 0,1 for the Skip 1 grid, 0,1,2 for skip 2, etc. They aren't always in sorted order, which is a bit confusing.
Thanks for the clarification.

Icewynd said:
BTW, my download file looked just like regular Excel. I can't see anything unusual about the appearance of the file.
Yes, the file looked exactly as I expected it to.

I have updated the file for ALL 20 Skips.
I will not do anymore work on this until I get some sort of response or clarification from Bob.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?cxofgh2d1xvupxl

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 
Hi PAB and Icewynd,


Great, I believe you understand the positional skip idea.
Icewynd, yes, you ar right about your example number "3" in collumn K in row 201 for the 0 skip grid.
PAB, I verified your last file and it looks great. I am amazed that you were able to analyze and program it so fast.

The green bar is used to future predict the most due skipposition.
So in the first grid which is the zero grid, the first position is most due, indicated by the green bar. Here a hit in first position is out 7 consecutive times. So in this PICK3 sample I would take that as a valid number. If the last draw was 375 and the first positon is due, we future predict number 3 in first positon for the next draw to hit in first position in this zero skip grid.
In the second grid which is skip 1, the most due position is 3th positon, then our future draw will indicate a skip 1 belonging to number 2 (coming from 992).
Hope you understand this. I do this for each grid and take the most due numbers, and then make a selection of the ones with the most weights and play them.
As I said, results in this Pick 3 game were not optimal.
I have the feeling it works much better with lotto numbers.
I used to get around 18 to 20 good numbers and most of all it was very good in chasing some keynumbers.
20 grids is what I did. Its just another way of looking at it.

Bob
 

PAB

Member
Hi Bob,

foreverbob said:
PAB, I verified your last file and it looks great. I am amazed that you were able to analyze and program it so fast.
You are welcome Bob :thumb: .

foreverbob said:
The green bar is used to future predict the most due skip position.
I am sorry Bob but I am not quite following this.
The last file I uploaded was upto and including the 25/09/2012 with numbers 3 7 5.
All the Grids now have formulas to calculate the figures upto and including that date.
If you look at my figures for that date across all the Grids and yours from the original file that you uploaded you will see that they do NOT match. How did you work your figures out???

Regards,
PAB
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12:45, restate my assumptions.
(1) Mathematics is the language of nature.
(2) Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
(3) If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns, everywhere in nature.
 

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