# Magic Delta Number Total?

#### Sandman

##### Member
On the delta topic, lets say you have delta #'s of 2,5,6,8,11,12 = 44 total.
In the 6/49, which total has been so far the Magic Delta Total if there is such a total.
37,44,48 ect..?
does anyone out there have such stats?

#### Beaker

##### Member
Total Frequency

37 45
38 50
39 61
40 78
41 82
42 112
43 123
44 133
45 146
46 150
47 204
48 171
49 231

Note: data does NOT include the bonus number. The delta was calculated on the 6 regular numbers.

Here is an abbreviated chart of the frequency of delta sums. Looks like the total which occurs most is 49 - expected. Average for all draws is 43.1 Interesting.

Perhaps GillesD can confirm.

#### Lotto Tutor

I don't understand the pronounced interest in the delta number factor of lottery draws other than to know that the spaces/gaps between numbers are (as the web site outlines) usually less than 15 and 1 is the most frequently occuring delta etc. While this info is very helpful as a filter/guideline for structuring lines of bets, I don't see how it can predict upcomming numbers, as even if one had a crystal ball and knew in advance the deltas that were to occur in the next draw, the number combinations of those deltas would be astronomical. The delta number generator on the web site is simply a random number generator that is constrained to the endless combinations of numbers with fixed gaps between them.
There may be some point to playing delta combinations by using all of the previously drawn numbers and the other numbers that will occur with them as a result of the selected deltas, in the hope that there will be 3 or more of the same numbers drawn from the prior draw? For example if the number 31 has appeared in the last draw and a delta of 1 (the most frequently occuring delta) has been has been applied to it and 30 or 32 does appear then you will have a ticket with at least 2 hits. If a player applied a delta of 1 to all six previous numbers and lets say that 3 repeated from the last draw (which does occasionally happen) and that the delta of 1 was active...then there could be a good win achievable within a reasonable combination of bets.
Anyhow enough of my rambling about deltas. In answer to your question...Gail Howard's software - Advantage Plus has an analysis feature called Gap Distribution. A similar thing to "deltas" except they are deltas minus 1. Meaning that if a draw was made up of these six numbers 1-2-15-4-5-6
the GH "deltas"/gaps would be as follows 0(no gap between 1 and 2) 12(a gap 12 between 2 and 15) etc. Gaps are deltas minus one.

Here are the stats for gap occurrances for the Canadaian Lotto 649

The average total gap value is 31

L2. GAP TOTALS SUMMARY (tm)

CAN0649 (NO BONUS) Games 1 to 1802 ( 6/12/82- 4/28/01)

TOTAL TIMES - % - CUMULATIVE

4 2 0.1% 0.1%
5 0 0.0% 0.1%
6 0 0.0% 0.1%
7 1 0.1% 0.2%
8 2 0.1% 0.3%
9 5 0.3% 0.6%
10 6 0.3% 0.9%
11 3 0.2% 1.1%
12 7 0.4% 1.4%
13 7 0.4% 1.8%
14 12 0.7% 2.5%
15 11 0.6% 3.1%
16 19 1.1% 4.2%
17 22 1.2% 5.4%
18 29 1.6% 7.0%
19 28 1.6% 8.5%
20 34 1.9% 10.4%
21 49 2.7% 13.2%
22 40 2.2% 15.4%
23 53 2.9% 18.3%
24 39 2.2% 20.5%
25 57 3.2% 23.6%
26 74 4.1% 27.7%
27 74 4.1% 31.9%
28 81 4.5% 36.3%
29 68 3.8% 40.1%
30 72 4.0% 44.1%
31 88 4.9% 49.0%
32 97 5.4% 54.4%
33 88 4.9% 59.3%
34 74 4.1% 63.4%
35 101 5.6% 69.0%
36 100 5.5% 74.5%
37 100 5.5% 80.1%
38 89 4.9% 85.0%
39 90 5.0% 90.0%
40 60 3.3% 93.3%
41 51 2.8% 96.2%
42 42 2.3% 98.5%
43 27 1.5% 100.0%

So, for what its worth, the most friutful "gap" totals to use would be in the range of 35 to 37
LT

#### GillesD

##### Member
I have updated my delta calculations file and calculated the sum of deltas for each winning combinations, then the distribution of these sums.
The theorical minimum for sum of deltas would be 1 (with numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6) and the maximum is 49.
The actual minimum is 13 on draw #73 with numbers 1,5,7,8,11,13.
As far as the distribution for sum of delta, there are:
2.4% under 30;
5.8% between 30 and 34;
12.7% between 35 and 39;
29.2% between 40 and 44;
49.8% between 45 and 49.
The most frequent ones are:
49 (12.6%), 47 (11.3%) and 48 (9.6%).
I tend to agree with Lotto Tutor about the usefulness of delta numbers. But I thinks it is a good proof about the randomness of the numbers coming out.

#### Thorngren

##### Member
Delta numbers are simply the Forward Difference Filter outlined in Leveraging A Lottery, Copyright 1996, 1999, by John T. Thorngren. They are just another filter such as even/odd or sum total. You can find complete statistical information in that publication for a pool from 25 to 99 and draw from 4 to 7.
John T. Thorngren
TEXAND Corporation

#### alsports2000

##### Member
Greetings. New to the Forum but not to the lotto. I bought the Gail Howard software some time back but have not had much success with it. Have you? Let me know what stretegies work for you. In Tx. we play 6/54,5/39,and 4/35 plus bonus. Concerning the Deltas and their effectiveness, my opinion is that the only good thing about them is that one could play for example the Cash Five all the seven combinations of the most often drawn deltas, such as the total of 44, and hope that its a hit when you play. I've tried different stretagies but to no avail. Let me know how you're doing. Thanks. AL.

Originally posted by Lotto Tutor:
I don't understand the pronounced interest in the delta number factor of lottery draws other than to know that the spaces/gaps between numbers are (as the web site outlines) usually less than 15 and 1 is the most frequently occuring delta etc. While this info is very helpful as a filter/guideline for structuring lines of bets, I don't see how it can predict upcomming numbers, as even if one had a crystal ball and knew in advance the deltas that were to occur in the next draw, the number combinations of those deltas would be astronomical. The delta number generator on the web site is simply a random number generator that is constrained to the endless combinations of numbers with fixed gaps between them.
There may be some point to playing delta combinations by using all of the previously drawn numbers and the other numbers that will occur with them as a result of the selected deltas, in the hope that there will be 3 or more of the same numbers drawn from the prior draw? For example if the number 31 has appeared in the last draw and a delta of 1 (the most frequently occuring delta) has been has been applied to it and 30 or 32 does appear then you will have a ticket with at least 2 hits. If a player applied a delta of 1 to all six previous numbers and lets say that 3 repeated from the last draw (which does occasionally happen) and that the delta of 1 was active...then there could be a good win achievable within a reasonable combination of bets.
Anyhow enough of my rambling about deltas. In answer to your question...Gail Howard's software - Advantage Plus has an analysis feature called Gap Distribution. A similar thing to "deltas" except they are deltas minus 1. Meaning that if a draw was made up of these six numbers 1-2-15-4-5-6
the GH "deltas"/gaps would be as follows 0(no gap between 1 and 2) 12(a gap 12 between 2 and 15) etc. Gaps are deltas minus one.

Here are the stats for gap occurrances for the Canadaian Lotto 649

The average total gap value is 31

L2. GAP TOTALS SUMMARY (tm)

CAN0649 (NO BONUS) Games 1 to 1802 ( 6/12/82- 4/28/01)

TOTAL TIMES - % - CUMULATIVE

4 2 0.1% 0.1%
5 0 0.0% 0.1%
6 0 0.0% 0.1%
7 1 0.1% 0.2%
8 2 0.1% 0.3%
9 5 0.3% 0.6%
10 6 0.3% 0.9%
11 3 0.2% 1.1%
12 7 0.4% 1.4%
13 7 0.4% 1.8%
14 12 0.7% 2.5%
15 11 0.6% 3.1%
16 19 1.1% 4.2%
17 22 1.2% 5.4%
18 29 1.6% 7.0%
19 28 1.6% 8.5%
20 34 1.9% 10.4%
21 49 2.7% 13.2%
22 40 2.2% 15.4%
23 53 2.9% 18.3%
24 39 2.2% 20.5%
25 57 3.2% 23.6%
26 74 4.1% 27.7%
27 74 4.1% 31.9%
28 81 4.5% 36.3%
29 68 3.8% 40.1%
30 72 4.0% 44.1%
31 88 4.9% 49.0%
32 97 5.4% 54.4%
33 88 4.9% 59.3%
34 74 4.1% 63.4%
35 101 5.6% 69.0%
36 100 5.5% 74.5%
37 100 5.5% 80.1%
38 89 4.9% 85.0%
39 90 5.0% 90.0%
40 60 3.3% 93.3%
41 51 2.8% 96.2%
42 42 2.3% 98.5%
43 27 1.5% 100.0%

So, for what its worth, the most friutful "gap" totals to use would be in the range of 35 to 37
LT

#### alsports2000

##### Member
I agree with the totals of the Deltas, even in the Texas 6/54 lotto the most frequently drawn totals are: 44 and 47. Thanks. AL.

Originally posted by GillesD:
I have updated my delta calculations file and calculated the sum of deltas for each winning combinations, then the distribution of these sums.
The theorical minimum for sum of deltas would be 1 (with numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6) and the maximum is 49.
The actual minimum is 13 on draw #73 with numbers 1,5,7,8,11,13.
As far as the distribution for sum of delta, there are:
2.4% under 30;
5.8% between 30 and 34;
12.7% between 35 and 39;
29.2% between 40 and 44;
49.8% between 45 and 49.
The most frequent ones are:
49 (12.6%), 47 (11.3%) and 48 (9.6%).
I tend to agree with Lotto Tutor about the usefulness of delta numbers. But I thinks it is a good proof about the randomness of the numbers coming out.

#### Dennis Bassboss

##### Member
Mambo Jambo !

Don't waiste your money on voodoo stuff!

A filter ....not a good one either....
But you're entitle for your opinion..

[This message has been edited by Dennis Bassboss (edited June 28, 2001).]

#### alsports2000

##### Member
Howdy. I don't know if you've noticed this or not but I found out that when you analize all the totals for the Gaps, Deltas and Spreads for example the total gap of 38 and spread of 44 would always be the same eventhough different number combinations are drawn. In other words: one combination could start with the #6 and end with the #49, giving you the 44 total spread. Another combination would be one that starts with the #7 and ends with the #50, and so on. It does matter what numbers are in between. I thought that amazing, for all its worth. Thanks. AL.

Originally posted by Sandman:
On the delta topic, lets say you have delta #'s of 2,5,6,8,11,12 = 44 total.
In the 6/49, which total has been so far the Magic Delta Total if there is such a total.
37,44,48 ect..?
does anyone out there have such stats?

#### Beaker

##### Member
alsports2000 welcome to the boards! question for you. How large does your 6/54 jackpot get?

#### alsports2000

##### Member
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, WHAT HAS WORKED FOR YOU? LET ME KNOW. THANKS. AL.

Originally posted by Dennis Bassboss:
Mambo Jambo !

Don't waiste your money on voodoo stuff!

A filter ....not a good one either....
But you're entitle for your opinion..

[This message has been edited by Dennis Bassboss (edited June 28, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Lotto Tutor (edited June 28, 2001).]

#### Dennis Bassboss

##### Member
Originally posted by alsports2000:
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, WHAT HAS WORKED FOR YOU? LET ME KNOW. THANKS. AL.

Never run into quick conclusions otherwise you are better off with quick picks!
The cause to effect theory is not part of my book. You have to look for trends, not only for a specific number but for a series of numbers, it is most unlikely that two sets of numbers would repeat themselves in a back to back draws, I'm not saying that it is impossible but most unlikely...that demonstrates the fact that you can use past numbers to get just a slight glimpse of what's coming.But it also help you much more to eleminate some numbers. On the other hand
some trends theory are saying that once a number comes up it will repeat itself in next few draws . So by joyning the two theory together you can almost predict in a range of 25 draws what will be hot and cold!
By looking at probability laws you than can estimate what is most credible out of your set of numbers and what is not!
After that comes the less secure filters such as odd-even,low-high,consecutives-followers,
making a 3/4 series versus a 4/3 series etc..
But what is important to remember is that you are not looking for an immediate strike but for a long range strike ( I personnaly like the 25 draws lenght) generally It is paying off\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$.

P.S. the mad sign is only my trademark ,I'm not mad at you and by the way welcome to this board! You should talk to Flipper he's the master here for delta numbers!

[This message has been edited by Dennis Bassboss (edited June 28, 2001).]

#### alsports2000

##### Member
Thanks. On March 7 of this year it got up to \$85 million, and one lucky poor soul ran away with it, otherwise it normally gets up to 25-30 million before someone from Houston, Dallas, Duncanville or other places I've never heard of wins it. Thanks. AL.

Originally posted by Beaker:
alsports2000 welcome to the boards! question for you. How large does your 6/54 jackpot get?

#### alsports2000

##### Member
Thanks for answering. I have a Gail Howard Lotto Advantage software and it has not paid out any for me. I've had it for about a year and in it are trends for the last 10, 25 and 50 draws. One thing I've noticed is that in one of the options in the software it indicates how many numbers hit from the last ten drawings. Its interesting to note that most if not all the numbers that come up have hit within the last ten draws. Just an observation. This software has lots of info on most all of the states, not for Canada, though. Whatever works for you, thats whats important, and yes, I was getting scared because of your icon, I am glad you clarified things. I was starting to wonder if only Canadians were welcome on this Forum, everyone seems to know everyone else. I've notice the Username Flipper a lot, I'll drop him a line soon. Thanks. AL.

Originally posted by Dennis Bassboss:
Originally posted by alsports2000:
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, WHAT HAS WORKED FOR YOU? LET ME KNOW. THANKS. AL.

Never run into quick conclusions otherwise you are better off with quick picks!
The cause to effect theory is not part of my book. You have to look for trends, not only for a specific number but for a series of numbers, it is most unlikely that two sets of numbers would repeat themselves in a back to back draws, I'm not saying that it is impossible but most unlikely...that demonstrates the fact that you can use past numbers to get just a slight glimpse of what's coming.But it also help you much more to eleminate some numbers. On the other hand
some trends theory are saying that once a number comes up it will repeat itself in next few draws . So by joyning the two theory together you can almost predict in a range of 25 draws what will be hot and cold!
By looking at probability laws you than can estimate what is most credible out of your set of numbers and what is not!
After that comes the less secure filters such as odd-even,low-high,consecutives-followers,
making a 3/4 series versus a 4/3 series etc..
But what is important to remember is that you are not looking for an immediate strike but for a long range strike ( I personnaly like the 25 draws lenght) generally It is paying off\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$\$.

P.S. the mad sign is only my trademark ,I'm not mad at you and by the way welcome to this board! You should talk to Flipper he's the master here for delta numbers!

[This message has been edited by Dennis Bassboss (edited June 28, 2001).]