Is It Real??

[danty_s]

How can you the players trust that the lotto draws are real, and that simply the lotto organization does not change the winning numbers after all players have purchased tickets??


ps:
# The largest Lotto 6/49 Jackpot was $26,410,706 offered in September 1995.
# The largest unclaimed 6/49 jackpot was a 1989 ticket worth $4.6 million.
# Over 65 per cent of Lotto 6/49 tickets are purchased in Ontario and Quebec. The Prairies and Territories account for 14 to 15 per cent of the sales on Lotto 6/49 and Super 7, including 3% in Manitoba.
# Roughly 70% of lottery tickets sold use computer-generated numbers or "Quick Picks." This is higher for Lotto Super 7. The percentage of jackpot winners that used a Quick Pick corresponds to the percentage of Quick Pick buyers.
# Canadian lotteries' fiscal 2003 sales increases 4% to $7.9 billion. The five Canadian lotteries' sales increased between 1% and 9% for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2003. The Western Canada Lottery Corp. led the Canadian industry with a 9% increase in fiscal 2003 sales. Source: La Fleur's Magazine.
# Lotto Super 7 sales rose 62% to $1.1 billion. If the big jackpots continue for fisca 2004, Super 7 sales could exceed the leader Lotto 6/49 for the first time. Despite heavy marketing with its 20th anniversary, 6/49 experienced a 10% decline in sales.
# Sales for provincial lotteries, such as spinoff mini-649 games, also fell 7% in fiscal 2003. Video Lottery Terminal (VLT) net machine income increased 3% to $1.5 billion, making it the second most popular lottery game after instant tickets.
# Statistics Canada reports that Canadians spent $10.7 billion on government-run lotteries, casinos, and video lottery terminals (VLTs) in 2001.

 

[GillesD]

Is is real?

Well numbers do not have to be changed "after all players have purchased tickets" like you say danty_s, because the draw takes place after a one-hour period (I think) where combinations can no longer be bought.

You have to remember that lotteries are voluntary taxes that bring lots of money in goverment coffins. If a lottery (whether a X/Y lottery like Lotto 6/49 or Super 7 or other type) was found to be fixed, all provincial lottery commissions might as well close down and new taxes be generated to compensate for lost revenues that you and I glady give to goverments in search of the golden egg. Why kill the golden goose?

But your research provide some hard data that does not provide any indication that lotterie ARE or ARE NOT fixed.

 

[wazzappenning]

i would be more worried about those automated horse racing games in casinos. i have a feeling when all those people bet $X amount on a horse (or horses) that the computer calculates the lowest possible payout ( pay 3 people that bet 1$ each on horse #3 that has a 1to1 payout, instead of paying 1 person that bet 25$ on hose # 2 that has a 5to1 payout.

 

[danty_s]

Is there a reason behind the followings:

# Unlike other lotteries (like in BC), the public cannot attend the draw.
# The draw is not broadcast live. You never see the balls actually dropping.

 

[roger.www]

Well numbers do not have to be changed "after all players have purchased tickets" like you say danty_s, because the draw takes place after a one-hour period (I think) where combinations can no longer be bought.

You have to remember that lotteries are voluntary taxes that bring lots of money in goverment coffins. If a lottery (whether a X/Y lottery like Lotto 6/49 or Super 7 or other type) was found to be fixed, all provincial lottery commissions might as well close down and new taxes be generated to compensate for lost revenues that you and I glady give to goverments in search of the golden egg. Why kill the golden goose?

But your research provide some hard data that does not provide any indication that lotterie ARE or ARE NOT fixed.

I think some degree of number manipulation does take place particularly with the smaller lotteries:
This may take the form of eg: switching number generators to break any weak patterns that may exist.

After studying / playing Ont Keno for many months
I have personally convinced myself their numbers are managed to some extent.
I may be wrong..but that is my honest belief. I think the payouts are somehow tied to revenue intake.
I think the bigger lotteries are harder to tamper with.
Bur perhaps switching number generators would mean the probabilities calculated based
on one number generator would not apply to another number generator.

 

[cruxifux]

i think they're rigged. how is it possible that you can get 5 numbers out of 49 that are between 10 and 19 or between 40 and 49 or 30 and 39?? cmon you got 49 numbers and you get something like..11, 12, 14, 15, 19?? give me a break. the lottery people know that building the jackpot drives people into a frenzy. they will spend more money, individually or as a group. and how will anyone ever prove it anyway?? i will still play cause if you don't have a ticket, you can't win. but they are definitely fixxed. no randomness here.

 

[roger.www]

i think they're rigged. how is it possible that you can get 5 numbers out of 49 that are between 10 and 19 or between 40 and 49 or 30 and 39?? cmon you got 49 numbers and you get something like..11, 12, 14, 15, 19?? give me a break. :

I have wondered about that too..like with Lottario lately
some draws the numbers drawn stop at 22 but the full board is 45 numbers...WTF !!!
So the Lottario jackpot has been growing and growing
from $250,000 now it's close to $1, 400,000. Noone seems able to nail it.

 

[GillesD]

Fixed draws or random draws

... but they are definitely fixxed. no randomness here.

It is odd that you say there is no randomness since it is effectively because it is a random draw that you can get such result. Out of the 13,983,816 combinations, there are 2,520 combinations with 5 numbers between 10 and 19 and one number between 40 and 49. So such a combination can happen to come out once in a while. And in the first 2494 draws, it happened 8 times that the winning combination had 5 numbers in the same decade (draws #191, 644, 932, 1593, 1748, 1765, 2237 and 2400). Draw #1748 is even more interesting since it had 5 consecutive numbers.

And like I said before, I would not be surprised that, in the near future (within a few hundred years at least), all numbers of the winning combination will be in the same decade and even may be consecutive numbers.

Every combination is a possibility and for a rather odd combination, look at the winning combination for draw #670 of the Canadian Lotto 6/49.

 

[Moses]

Hello to everyone

I am Moses and totally new here and this is my first ever post!
I want to take the opportunity to thank LT who sorted my posting problem.

I have been reading your posts with interest and is very good to see that people can exchange views in a very democratic way unlike some forum that they hold their breath and ignore the posts however that information provided is as accurate as it can be or they criticise the messenger rather they can pay attention to the actual message!

I have studied UK lottery for 12 years as well as the lottery biography to achieve my findings which I like to share it with you gradually if I may?


Kind regards,


Moses

 

[cruxifux]

i think they're rigged. how is it possible that you can get 5 numbers out of 49 that are between 10 and 19 or between 40 and 49 or 30 and 39?? cmon you got 49 numbers and you get something like..11, 12, 14, 15, 19?? give me a break. the lottery people know that building the jackpot drives people into a frenzy. they will spend more money, individually or as a group. and how will anyone ever prove it anyway?? i will still play cause if you don't have a ticket, you can't win. but they are definitely fixxed. no randomness here.

canada 6-49 carried over again....ahem. build it and they will buy!!

 

[Moses]

Hello Cruxifux

I do agree with you Cruxifux that lotteries are not random for following reasons;

• Why one organisation called “G-TECH” behind the world lotteries?
• Is it because those world governments cannot afford to buy the equipment outright unless G-TECH supplies it to them?
• Why G-TECH collect percentage of the profit from the local operators?
• What more is in to lotteries apart from Machines and Balls?
• Could it be software involved?
• Why world data such as UK, France, Germany, Spain and even USA have the same resemblance but never and ever match entirely?
• Why satellite terminals are involved if the draws are taking place locally, is it because to transfer data back to G-TECH for calculations?
• Why there is a minimum of half hour interval from the shut down of terminals to the time draw takes place, what the organisers do during this time?
• How can the local organisation running the lottery like Camelot in UK can take their share of sales (%50 I believe) before the draw takes place especially where there is a minimum prize of £10 guaranteed?
• How do they know how many £10 winners there are to calculate their sums when there is a possibility of the number of £10 winners exceed from the total sales?

I can add so much more to above list but to find the answers was not an easy task as I had to do a lot of digging! Once the answers were found then I discovered there is only one possible scenario can give G-TECH an upper hand and how they can achieve their goal!

The conclusion or the big question is, if I learn about one lottery like UK lottery then does it mean I can implement the same info to other lotteries like Canada? The answer is simply YES and that is because all the data produced for all countries are from same single software and if you don't believe it compare the data for different countries!

Regards,



Moses

 

[cruxifux]

ok riddle me this. in the pick 3 daily games. how is it possible to get the exact same number in the exact same order 2 draws in a row?? better yet, how is it possible to get the exact same number in the exact same order for a day and night draw in 1 state?? yeah, i know they probably got 2 if not more different machines for a day and night draw. also, i heard that some places have 2 or 3 separate random number generators. these machines are supposedly tested every day is it?? what are the odds of 2 separate machines spitting out the exact same number in the exact same order for 2 draws in 1 day?? when some place starts a lottery and sets it up..who and how is it set?? sure there is probably partial randomness and theres times when it's programmed to give the results the head officials want to see. and how can you or anyone ever prove differently. we already know of lottery rigging.
it's year end. the 6-49 is 28 million. a certain percentage of profit has to be made before 2007 is out?? build the jackpot and hit the percentage.

 

[romeo41]

stats don't lie

stats were the way the discovered it was a statistical improbability that the ontario retailers were winning so much. The draws have in the last few years been consistently been won in the same geographical regions and in some cases people have been winning more than once in a few years. I think considering the way the game is not controlled and no one really knows who is running things should raise alarm bells everywhere. There are two many variables and the "odds" are so high it really shouldn't see winners constantly coming from Ontario or Quebec all the time. The defense to this is that most tickets are purchased in this area. Now break that down and where the most tickets are purchased in within these regions should also see an increased number of winners by this logic. Not sure if this is the case but I would sure as hell like to see an independent mathematical review of these stats to see if any more mathematical improbabilities would crop up. I suspect one of these days some sort of criminal activty on a grand scale is going to be exposed. On the other hand, it doesn't take a genius to see that the government itself has a vested interest in seeing players buying more tickets so why would they allow a cash cow like the lottery to become a political liability. I would be interested in seeing if US games like Powerball have this same type of geographical consistency in winner locations. I suspect not.

 

[FANTASY2REALITY]

Come on guys,your way too paranoid and seem to be convinced of this lottery fraud conspiracy.The lottery is just like a casino where the house always has an advantage,and hence,will always profit no matter how many winners there are.There are always going to be more losing combinations,thats just the way it is.So,even if there was a major lottery winner everynight,the house would still profit.They dont need to fix the results to earn a few extra pennies because they will always profit(at least 2 times the number payed out in winnings).I'm sorry but in my opinion your assertions are just absurd lol and if you feel so strongly about your views,why do you still support this'criminal' empire by purchasing tickets?Do you like getting robbed?Hmmm.

 

[cruxifux]

if i don't have a ticket, i can't win. that's why i support it. in 1989 i got 5 numbers on 6-49. i had a dream a year or so earlier and these were the numbers..9..17..36..42...44..and 46. the only way i'll get that close again is by PICKING MY OWN NUMBERS. why let the business pick your numbers.

 

[romeo41]

paranoia

1)you assume I buy tickets
2)prove your assertions
other than that have a nice day

 

[Moses]

I believe if there is a gambling then there is a way of cheating!
If there is a cheat in one corner then there are cheats in every corner!
Some look at the lottery as an entertainment and a game which involving machines and colourful balls and some will see it as numbers which are the foundations of math!!
It is not a rocket science to prove the organisers cheats which one of that the number prize winners as they claim are false and UNTRUE. Just a look at the prize dividends there is always one or two jackpot winners (in UK) and about 10 or 15 second prize winner and as the prizes get smaller then the number of prize winners will grow! How is that possible if the prizes are based on permutation of the wheel like ANY three numbers from 6 (6/49) or ANY 4 from 6! Did you know when the permutation of the wheel is involved then anything is possible such as no jackpot winner but 200 second prize winners! It is also possible to have more people matching the jackpot numbers than getting three numbers correct! These are the possibilities but never happen and then some suggest that everything is quite genuine and above board! For all we know there could be one jackpot winner but they claim as 8 winners then one portion goes to winner and 7 goes missing and the same for other prizes!
Take this for a big one, did you also know that G-TECH was caught red-handed by Camelot for duplicating the British winning tickets at their head-quarter in USA? Don’t ask me how that is possible if the terminals shut down 30 minutes before the draw!
The lottery is supposed to be commissioned by the group of people employed by the government but who will commission the lottery commission if he decides to fly with the operator?
It is proven to me that the lottery commission’s job is to surf the net finding out about the successful systems or the software that public uses and passing that info to lottery operator for an immediate action just like any other gambling organisation such as casinos!
We all know how deep the casino’s spy system digs out to find the professional players so what makes you think that the lottery is any different!

Moses

 

[FANTASY2REALITY]

Ok,um,I've never heard of the G-tech group before so could you explain to me their purpose and possibly who they are affiliated with?Is it like every government branch worldwide which has lottery draws?And if they were caught red handed duplicating tickets in their headquarters,how come this was never published?I know the corporate media cant be trusted but still,there are independent sources that would blow the whistle in England or anywhere for that matter and once that happens,the news travels fast.How long ago was this,and PLEASE give me an example of ANY lottery in the past,in any country being corrupted.There are draws in many provinces,states,and countries being held everynight so how could they gather all those results and fix them?Like the official 9/11 story has a hole so big that you could fly an airliner through it,making their conspiracy more of a possibility and in my opinion,reality,but thats off topic.You have to do a much better job of convincing me lol,and I'll admit that I thought about the lotteries being fixed,but like I said before.What is it that you want?10 winners everynight?Look at the odds,theyre massive and against you.Even if the jackpot was won everynight,by multiple people,they would always profit making your assertions of corruption nearly impossible.Constant profits eliminate the need of corruption and only an idiot would cheat knowing he was destined to win night in and night out,risking his future profits for bankruptcy if he was caught.Am I not right?

 

[Moses]

G-TECH is the back-bone of the world lottery and you can find them here
www.gtech.com

Not all government has the lottery but mostly Western European and some African and some Asian countries have them!
The story of duplicating tickets was published by Bloomberg which was very embarrassing for G-TECH and as result UK lottery Commission forced Camelot to purchase the software from them or UK lottery goes to Mr Branson the Virgin Group but however they tried very hard to keep it under cover! This was proximately 7 years ago which I read it on Bloomberg archive news box and it is true!
All lotteries around of the world is corrupt for the simple reason our friend says ‘national lottery has to be big prizes otherwise won’t be NATIONAL lottery as if the prizes are not big then it won’t be interesting anymore so there must be a overall control which means being FIXED
Lottery results are already known to the organisers but what determine the actual winning numbers are the permutations of the wheel for each prize category like
How many matching three numbers XXX
How many matching XXX plus Y or the forth ball
Then 4 numbers to 5 numbers and so on, there are a lot of calculations involved to select all prize winners!
In my other thread Master Lottery Software I will be giving you their actual software which took me 4 years to develop it which I am asking you to read it and think about it, if the scenario becomes a reality then it is very possible to fix the lottery!

Here is one example for you, below is last night’s UK lotto results
29/12/2007, 28,23,32,04,30,13,11 1254

Prizes are based on permutation of the wheel which ANY 3 numbers win £10
ANY 4 numbers wins £55……

Match 6 ---------- 4 people ------1,106,528
Match 5 + BB--- 23 People ----- 59,212
Match 5 --------- 559 people ---- 1,522
Match 4 --------- 34010 people – 55
Match 3 --------- 624403 people—10

Now compare above to another game in UK called Dream Numbers which in this game you have to match the numbers as they’re drawn out

29/12/2007, 6117596

Match all 7 numbers-------- 0 people
Match FIRST 6 numbers --- 2 people ----- 50,000
Match FIRST 5 numbers----3 people ------ 5,000
Match FIRST 4 numbers----69 people -----500
Match FIRST 3 numbers----586 people --- 100
Match FIRST 2 numbers----5884 people – 10
Match FIRST number ------ 59090 people - 2

Now, there are two games that one pays prizes on permutation of the wheel and one pays on FIRST number, FIRST 2 numbers and so on BUT both dividends looks the same as the prizes gets smaller the number of prize winners grow!!
This is impossible and there should be significant differences in dividend!
This is a huge mathematical error but nobody pays attention!

In order to control the prize pool the second version is correct but with permutation of the wheel the prize pool cannot be controlled UNLESS the balls are chipped which can select the prize winners in that order!

Moses

 

[cruxifux]

canada 6-49 carried over again....ahem. build it and they will buy!!

carried over again!!! 36 million. wow, people are gonna be going crazy